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Any feedback on The Church by GHS ?


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#1 PowerFlower

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 11:34 AM

Just set some church seeds away, im wondering if anyone has any info on these. I was given a seedling once and popped it under a light with 5 exodus cheese(also from greenhouse seeds) and whereas the cheese yielded around 2oz per plant the church yielded over 3. I remember it being a beautiful smoke but the main reason i ordered more of these was the large yield and huge dense buds. Any info/feedback on this strain would be great!


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 12:00 PM

What I found at Seedfinder... http://en.seedfinder...en_House_Seeds/


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 01:19 PM

Great stuff thanks man you even found me cheaper seeds for next time! (although i did receive some free super bud seeds from ghs with my order). Only 2 recognised phenos is good news, someone said they tend to throw out a lot of hermies which has to be nonsense right?
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Posted 18 February 2017 - 02:07 PM

Not necessarily no. It depends on the breeder of the seeds. Sometimes a strain is simply named after the strains it was bred from, but those strains MAY have come from different sources...

IE: breederA makes strain XYZ by crossing XY with Z....breeder B makes strain XYZ by crossing XY with Z, but got his XY strain from a different source to breederA. Technically they ARE the same strain, but the sources used to breed those strains may be different...so breederC may make the same strain but his XYZ strain might have bred into it hermi tendencies.

 

Its a matter of trusting the breeder who made the strain not just the strain itself.

If you have come across ppl mentioning hermi tendencies, try to find out which breeder the seeds came from and avoid seeds from th@ breeder....likewise, if you get glowing recommendations on a strain, find out the breeder of the strain and seek them out for your seed purchases.

 

Breeding of cannabis is NOT a regulated thing....self regulation is the best it gets @the moment.

 

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:35 PM

Not necessarily no. It depends on the breeder of the seeds. Sometimes a strain is simply named after the strains it was bred from, but those strains MAY have come from different sources...

IE: breederA makes strain XYZ by crossing XY with Z....breeder B makes strain XYZ by crossing XY with Z, but got his XY strain from a different source to breederA. Technically they ARE the same strain, but the sources used to breed those strains may be different...so breederC may make the same strain but his XYZ strain might have bred into it hermi tendencies.

 

Its a matter of trusting the breeder who made the strain not just the strain itself.

If you have come across ppl mentioning hermi tendencies, try to find out which breeder the seeds came from and avoid seeds from th@ breeder....likewise, if you get glowing recommendations on a strain, find out the breeder of the strain and seek them out for your seed purchases.

 

Breeding of cannabis is NOT a regulated thing....self regulation is the best it gets @the moment.

 

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I think the church is exclusive to ghs and im sure ive read that hermies were more of a problem amongst poorly bred sativa dominant strains? Also i was under the impression that it is not predetermined in a seed wether it will produce hermie flowers etc. ? Thanks for the reply btw sorry for the further questions. :)


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#6 IammuA

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 11:21 PM

IMO hermies generally ARE a genetic predisposition in a strainline IF the strainline has not been well bred from good stock.

 

The hermies may not turn up whilst growing the plants, yet the predisposition for them could be genetically held within the seed genome, only to raise its head when stresses and circumstances dictate.

 

Temperature, light timing, over or under watering, over or under ferting, insect attack or fungal attack can all be stress triggers to bring out hermaphrodite latencies in a plant IF the plant has hermaphrodite tendencies in its genome.

 

Sometimes these are natural hermie tendencies from wild cannabis genetics, sometimes they are tendencies th@ have been inadvertently bred into a strainline....and sometimes they are hermie tendencies caused by use of colloidal silver and other feminisation processes.

 

And then there is hermaphroditisim bought on by senescence. This is the natural 'old age' of a plant grown to old age yet not given the chance to make seed for the following generation. THIS type of hermaphroditism is more common in sativa's because of their very long flowering times....some sativa's never really end flowering, they just continue and will eventually throw off nana's in an attempt to continue the species.

 

NOT ALL seeds with hermie tendencies will turn hermie...but they have the genetic capability to do so in the right circumstances.

 

One needs 7 generations of clean breeding to produce a stable seed strain/seedline, so look for a strain th@ has @least 7 generations of breeding behind it if you want the most stable strain you can get.

 

This is not to say strains th@ are not 7 generations old WILL show hermie tendencies, just th@ it is more likely.

 

 

NOTE: I AM NOT a geneticist...nor do I hold any formal training, any knowledge I have is from reading, experience and supposition of my own. I MAY and could very well be wrong. Search around to try to confirm or correct any information or opinions I espouse.

 

muA


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 10:29 AM

So in that case it is possible that a strain can be immune to hermie traits?
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Posted 19 February 2017 - 04:50 PM

Immune? no... Immunity indicates it is some sort of contagion, but there ARE strains out there th@ are reliably stable, known for their lack of hermies, for solid genetics.

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:04 AM

IMO hermies generally ARE a genetic predisposition in a strainline IF the strainline has not been well bred from good stock.

 

The hermies may not turn up whilst growing the plants, yet the predisposition for them could be genetically held within the seed genome, only to raise its head when stresses and circumstances dictate.

 

Temperature, light timing, over or under watering, over or under ferting, insect attack or fungal attack can all be stress triggers to bring out hermaphrodite latencies in a plant IF the plant has hermaphrodite tendencies in its genome.

 

Sometimes these are natural hermie tendencies from wild cannabis genetics, sometimes they are tendencies th@ have been inadvertently bred into a strainline....and sometimes they are hermie tendencies caused by use of colloidal silver and other feminisation processes.

 

And then there is hermaphroditisim bought on by senescence. This is the natural 'old age' of a plant grown to old age yet not given the chance to make seed for the following generation. THIS type of hermaphroditism is more common in sativa's because of their very long flowering times....some sativa's never really end flowering, they just continue and will eventually throw off nana's in an attempt to continue the species.

 

NOT ALL seeds with hermie tendencies will turn hermie...but they have the genetic capability to do so in the right circumstances.

 

One needs 7 generations of clean breeding to produce a stable seed strain/seedline, so look for a strain th@ has @least 7 generations of breeding behind it if you want the most stable strain you can get.

 

This is not to say strains th@ are not 7 generations old WILL show hermie tendencies, just th@ it is more likely.

 

 

NOTE: I AM NOT a geneticist...nor do I hold any formal training, any knowledge I have is from reading, experience and supposition of my own. I MAY and could very well be wrong. Search around to try to confirm or correct any information or opinions I espouse.

 

muA

That's really a great description I think, of how the whole hermie thing works. The fly in the ointment as far as selecting seeds to grow, is with getting good data. The online reports are sometimes great, but many times are so incomplete as to create the opposite impression, like with a hermie prone strain that was stressed by something the grower does all time with OTHER strains... The seed experiment plants that have been flowering for 10 weeks are starting to throw "nanners" and look pretty rugged, which I would call normal and healthy for this strain, which is normally chopped at 8 weeks. The most robust strains that I've seen, those that like the way I garden, are Northern Lights and Blue Dream and a Critical Jack that was fun to have around because of how easy it was to grow. I did a test grow for a breeder and all of the plants went full hermie with loads of nanners, while growing alongside a couple Bodhi strains that were beautiful. He was upset that I reported the herms and in retrospect, it is possible that the seeds were fine and they just are not compatible with the way I grow. It would be great if breeders could supply growing data with their seeds like nute requirements or special needs. I have seen reports of GHS hermies, but am skeptical because of the excellent history that the company has. It could be that the company had a bad run, maybe a rouge employee or something, or that they needed to rework their operation. If you wanted to knock the competition you could post false reports, which would violate every moral underpinning in the cannabis movement, and I hope it isn't happening, but it could. I'd have no reservations about ordering seeds from GHS and that Church looks like a winning combo, the CBD mix may be nice as well.

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Edited by 420circuit, 21 April 2017 - 10:24 AM.

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