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#1 BikerPepe

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 01:00 AM

So... no big question or mystery here.  Just another medical guy getting screwed by Washington recreational and feeling the need to vent to some folks that might have a sympathetic ear.

 

I've been bitching about it since it was official.  As of July 1st, 2016 all MEDICAL grows in Washington state will be reduced from 15 plants per patient to 4... or, if you're willing to surrender your HIPPA rights and sign on with the state, you can grow 6.  You can still reach the 15 max, but only if you have a Dr. willing to go out on that limb but I guarantee you, the state will be giving you the big eyeball.

 

 

This has been a heartbreaking realization to accept.  For the last 6 yrs., I've been growing two cycles of between 12-15 plants, 1 cycle for me and 1 for my ol' lady... all legal and legit like, non-stop.  I have a prosthetic leg with lots of issues and major stomach problems, so having this medical grow working round the clock has been such a blessing.  Even after a stump surgery, I could crutch on out to the trailer and keep things moving really well.

 

When we moved out here to our property... I picked up a cheap, used, 30 ft. travel trailer and stuffed it inside my pole-barn/shop.  I gutted it out completely with the exception of the working rear bathroom sink and the propane heater.  I put 5 mil black plastic up against each window, then covered that with plywood.  When you look at it... you can't even tell it's plastic, it just looks as black as night "inside", always.

I lined the floors with 5 mil. white plastic, lined the roof and walls with mylar.  I built an insulated wall/door to separate the front and rear of the trailer.  1 side for veg and the other for budding.  I setup air conditioning in both rooms, small squirrel cage fans to vent out the roof holes right into charcoal filters.  Plumbed in electrical straight from the shops fuse box, to a 4 plug outlet in each side, each with it's own 30 amp fuse... along with maintaining the stock wiring and fuse box.. for the smaller, simple stuff.  I eventually setup two light tracks, each with a 600 MH on the bud side and a single 1000 HPS in the veg. room.  Automatic heat/humid temp sensors to trigger off the squirrel cage venting and auto-light timers for the tracks and lights.  I setup a regular plastic trash can with a little giant water pump, a black, flexible garden hose and a trigger wand for mixing and delivering water to the babies.  I lost track of the amount of money invested to make and keep this thing working like the outstanding indoor grow it has been.

 

I've been using this trailer in repeated cycles with no breaks for the last 6 yrs and clean it all up between each cycle and seasonally, treat each room for pests between cycles, to keep the room clean and avoid any unnecessary plant exposure to pesticides and/or pests.

 

It has been an outstanding, reliable and safe setup and I've absolutely loved having it.  I just pulled my second to the last harvest out of this trailer, this last weekend and the closer I get to the deadline, the more heartbroken I seem to feel.

 

I plan to build two wood boxes that I'll put on wheels, to keep them off the cold concrete floor and move around when/if needed.  These new boxes will be very small in comparison, as I only plan to now run 4 plants in each box to keep the cycles going.  I considered trying to grow bigger plants in the trailer... but the head room just isn't there and obviously, I'd have to re-learn everything I've perfected over the years for a totally different style of grow.

 

I would love to sell the trailer to someone that could keep using it... but I don't make outside contacts much anymore.  I moved out of the big city and over time, got more and more isolated from the old crowds.  The chances of finding anyone to buy this setup as is... next to impossible.  That means I'll be breaking it all up and re-using as much as I can to apply to the new grow boxes.  Then I guess I'll continue to gut the rest of the trailer out, leaving just the window coverings and offer it up for a "storage" trailer on craigslist. GAAAAsmiley.gif

 

It feels blasphemous to even type it in the open, to think it to myself.  I feel shame... and yet, there's nothing I can do.

I watched my Dad get busted more times than I like to remember and did what little I could to help when he went to the fed penn. for 5 yrs. on the last bust.  I'd watched him get screwed by the legal system, then screwed by the people he should have been able to trust... who took whatever the cops didn't take or break.  Some of the most disgusting behavior from some of the last people I'd have ever expected.

 

So yea... I could say "F-IT!" and go underground... but obviously, that's not the choice I'm willing to make or I wouldn't be here crying about it.  I can't risk my property or my ol' lady, who works for the damn post office, a federal agency. giveupgif

 

 

anyway... thanks for listening. I'm trying to look at the bright side and all I can see is maybe starting up a sandblasting/powder-coating business in the shop space I'll gain when I pull out the trailer... but it's small consolation. :dammit:

 

It was good while it lasted.  I guess they can't take that away right?    :scream:


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 06:54 AM

you could try laying the plants down to get them bigger. good luck


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 02:28 PM

interesting thought.  I've seen it done in low grow spaces, usually crawl spaces or attics.

suppose I could top the living daylights out of them too.  thanks for the suggestion pb.


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 04:40 PM

That sucks BP!!  I see the same thing happening here in Oregon.  I've always thought that those in control either don't believe in the medicinal value of cannabis or they don't care.

Their goal is to eliminate MM personal gardens cause they can't reap the revenue.  Actually, not sure of all the new rules implemented April 1st, because I never received anything in writing, but I do know that there was not one thing that benefited patients,  the promise was broken that no changes would be made to the program, and growers are dropping patients.  They are allowed to inspect (I would pass), but myself and many others, find it an invasion of privacy.  They raised the fee to $200 a patient, monthly reporting of nutes used, and quantities given.  At first they were requiring 24/7 surveillance, keeping data for 2 yrs...this was for the grower's safety.  They removed that...huge outcry...I definitely would have been out myself (no funds for that).  Pondering what direction I should go????


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Posted 20 April 2016 - 04:15 AM

Pepe'..know how you feel Bro.

 

I had stopped growing altogether back in 2014..but kept my grow room intact

as it's also my "man cave"" (for lack of a better term).

 

Then in Jan. 2016 there was a rather interesting development that changed my mind.

 

Caught a thief in my garage at 0500, and fortunately for her I have a cool head otherwise

she'd be ...expired. Her hands were empty, so I sent her on her way and called the Sheriff

after she left.

 

Sheriff shows up 5 min. later (a record, as they're often so far away it takes an hour

for them to get here), and I proceed to show him where I caught her. My shop is a 

separate room in my garage, and we stepped inside as it was warmer there. I had

told the cop I smoked bud..and he said.."we could care less". Then told him (as he

looked around the grow areas of my shop) that I didn't have anything growing at the

time. He looked at me and again told me that the Sheriff Dept. is not the least bit interested

in pot..they really didn't care.

 

The thief was arrested the next day, and went to jail on 2nd Deg. burglary charges (felony).

 

What I haven't mentioned is that I've put in a lot of my own time helping the Sheriff Dept.

crack down on Meth and Heroin dealers in the neighborhood. I have -0- patience for what

I call "dealers of powdered death", and one of them lives just 4 properties away.

 

My garden is now in full swing, as I've pretty much got nothing to worry about. No one

in the neighborhood knows I'm growing, but I do know of 4 other growers just in my

neighborhood.


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Posted 20 April 2016 - 09:16 AM

interesting thought.  I've seen it done in low grow spaces, usually crawl spaces or attics.

suppose I could top the living daylights out of them too.  thanks for the suggestion pb.

4 1lb plants can easily be done ,alot of time in training ,so veg time may double but i bet you could hit the same numbers you are now


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Posted 20 April 2016 - 10:54 AM

bah! ...I say again, BAH!

hope ya find a good home for the pepetron ya built....be a shame to stripNrip her..

 

muA


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 12:53 AM

well thanks to everyone.  just had to hear from some sympathetic folks I guess.

it's just a damn drag and not something I can rant about just anywhere but your responses help me feel a little better.

 

Suzy... everybody has sympathy for the sick and suffering, until they (we) stand in the way of making a buck.  Oregon has been a spooky system from the get-go and I used to count myself lucky, until WA went rec.  Saw this coming from couple miles away.  I remember people being flabbergasted to hear I was against the recreational laws.  Devils in the details... but 3/4 or more don't bother to read past the title, or think a quick grab is the smart way to go after decades of oppression.  sad

I could not go for all that over-inspection shit.  It's not only a total violation of HIPPA it IS an invasion of privacy and practice. Looking over my shoulder is bad enough, but dictating what I can and can't use to make my medicine... as lammuA says: BAH! Tough call down there.  I probably wouldn't have even gotten started in the face of those violations.

 

ISO2BWELL... so good to hear from you man.  I noticed you had started peeking around recently.  Hope everything is as good as you can stand bud! Great story.  Odd thing to hear these days and I've heard it myself.  Funny how some of them sound so annoyed when they have to admit to not being interested in smoking or growing.  Glad to hear they caught your burglar.  I've got no tolerance for thieves.  That chick has no idea how lucky she was to get caught by someone like you.  Totally agree on the "powdered death" deal too.  I hate to be a hypocrite over drug policies and preferences... but I've seen so much bad come out of that shit and not a single damn bit of good... beyond a few scumbags ridding the world of themselves.  Keep your head low my friend and rock on as long and as far as you can.

 

jm420... you are right, of course.  Thing is... to grow that size, I'd have to go outdoor and I have tried that once.  Unfortunately, I was in a 6 month recovery from a stump surgery and had to largely let the plant go on it's own.  My wheelchair kept getting stuck in the sandy dirt that makes my property.  I tried to top it and tied it down to keep it lower than the 6 ft. fence, but my ol' lady was so totally paranoid over the outdoor exposure, I won't do that to her again.  We are both state legal med. patients... but like I said, she works for a Federal Agency (USPS) so she could loose her career, regardless of state laws.  The trailer just doesn't have the headroom... so I'd have to LST the holy moses out of a plant that size, in there.  My neighbor has a property much better suited and grows a few for himself over the summer... but he has much better tree coverage and a creek.

 

lammuA... thanks bud. I totally agree and that's what's at the heart of this post.  I know one guy growing CBD strong plants and making capsules for resale to local dispensaries and for himself.  I'll probably try and get hold of him to see if he might be interested... but like me, he'll probably be blocked out come July too.  That "seed to sale" tracking is a killer for the little guys, but he did mention he had the attention and interest of  state licensed producer, who didn't want to do much work themselves... so he's a definite, maybe.


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 04:49 AM

mebbe all growers with mobile grow setups might all take a drive to one common location inna med-legal state and set up a dedicated growmobile dealership? Hysterical

 

C'mon down to honest Pierre's 2ndhand and preloved growmobile dealership....free tank of gas and clones if you settle the deal before 4:20 in the afternoon! Hysterical all the salesmen could wear cheesy fake moustaches, tie-dye shirts and beads...with the odd hipster salesman muahahaha....

 

really, though...a vehicle dealership th@ specialises in mobile growmobiles?  thinking.gif  might JUST be onta sommat there! dazzler.gif

 

muA


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 08:49 AM

hey pepe i do 12-16 oz plants indoor ,with 7 foot ceilings ,it can be done easily enough,its alot of training  Attached File  IMG_9092.JPG   210.38KB   0 downloads


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 11:42 AM

interesting.  thanks for the photo's.  looks a lot like a reveg I ended up putting outside.

how long in veg would you say those were at that point and what size bags?


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 01:14 PM

60 -70 daze veg  maybe 80 tops i didnt keep track 

7 gallons fit im the milk crates perfect ,i'll post pics at the begining of 3 week 12/12


got a bunch of pics here http://www.greenpass...7156-shrubbery/


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 01:34 PM

Bummer BP!!!

 

Longer veg, training, 4 plants will do you well... patients truly do get the short end. we could go on rants for hours I suppose.

 

Keep the faith bro, just modify your style and I bet you will be fine...


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 07:30 PM

Yep...that's my problem I try and run to many plants..instead of taking my time..with what I can handle at the time...very nice grow.
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Posted 22 April 2016 - 12:33 AM

great grow thread jm.  I usually don't keep up with 'em much.  only so many hours to burn online and those could eat me up.  checked yours out from start to current.  if I went to similar grow style as you, I suppose I could keep the trailer pumpin'.  That's about double my veg time but you're pulling a hell of a lot more weight than I do with a faster turn around.  I'll keep that in mind as things unfold but that's likely more than I'll be willing to take on.  I wouldn't even know what to do with that much weight anymore.

 

oh yea... shit'll work out, one way or another Pete.  It always does. ;)  I'll never be "done".  been around growing in one way or another my whole life.  not likely to change that.  we'll do alright... just won't be helpin' others out anymore.


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Posted 29 August 2016 - 02:13 PM

Well... finally had my first harvest with the 7 gal. pots and 8 wks veg, instead of my usual 4.

also topped 'em all out early and had to support the plants a lot more than I'm used to.  Good thing I had all the sticks and strings I needed.

4 plants took up almost as much room as the previous dozen did... but actual harvest wasn't nearly as impressive considering the square footage.

no idea what kind of weight numbers I'll be pulling until curing is done and still need to refine my trim/training with these larger girls.

 

learning a new grow style.  not terribly different... but different enough.  watering twice as much as normal and still as frequently.

interesting stuff, to be sure.  thanks for all the tips and talk my friends.

I'll report back after a nice, slow cure finishes up.


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Posted 30 August 2016 - 06:57 AM

have a look at doobie ducks plants


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Posted 30 August 2016 - 08:56 PM

Hey, Pepe, glad to hear of your harvest, always exciting;) I'm going the big plant method at the moment, too, and it's more of a challenge. I had 4 plants in a 5 x5 tent and I train like mad, and still they got away from me. Having some other plants that I really wanted to flower, I actually swapped out the whole grow and started over. I love plant sculpting, that said. I've yet to try jm's modular scrog, but it looks like a great way to go. Another is mainlining; same 8 week veg, strain and plant dependent prolly, but very manageable and very predictable growth. There're long, illustrated explanations on the net, pretty fascinating. Anyhoo, good to hear they can't keep a good man down.


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Posted 31 August 2016 - 01:32 AM

Just transplanted the next batch into the 7ga. tonight.  Trimmed the snot out of them at the 4 week, clone point.

Hoping that's gonna do it to keep 'em in line.  I've never used the scrog net training.  Always seemed like it would make harvest a real p.i.t.a.

So far I've been just tying to a few sticks as the main branches start to sag, then a few wire ties from one supported branch to the smaller ones, as needed.

 

I did let my Master Kush strain go.  Damn shame, as it was physically well suited to the new grow style... but I need more of the stronger Widow for my pain, so someone had to go and the ol' lady really likes her Bubba Kush and Northern Lights, so... farewell to the M.K.  Them's the breaks.

The window isn't really digging the bigger grow but it's hanging in there. Hopefully a few generations down the road she'll start to get more acclimatized.

Fortunately, the N.L. and the B.K. couldn't be happier.

 

I'm all about keeping it simple.  One things for sure... if I hit a point where I'm stuck in the wheel-chair again, moving these 7 ga. pots around is going to next to be next to impossible.  Yay Washington.  Way to keep it simple and easy for the medical growers.  Rat bastards.

 

And we trudge on.  Glad I kept the trailer though and didn't rush my decision to swap it out.  It's just too damn well setup and easy to run all year round.

Not to mention... I just don't have the money to setup another environment as well as I was able to a few years back.

Good thing though... these girls do like to get fat and take up a lot of width, with the proper topping.


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Posted 31 August 2016 - 05:34 PM

A lot of people tie the stem over the screen with string etc. instead of weaving it in which more sense to me since trying to trim it out sounds like too much work. I've also seen screens made with string that was cut away at harvest... :chainsaw-smiley-emoticon:


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