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#1 xxPeacePipexx

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 04:20 PM

 Thought I would strike a thread about Perpetual setups and how to design them. 

 

I have been growing perpetually now for almost 7 years. Before this I spent almost two decades growing in traditional harvest gardens.  Times changed and patients and their demands also pushed me into the perpetual mode even though I had always wanted to grow in this manner. 

 

Their is no wrong way or right way once you nail out the frame and perimeter. Their are several methods and stages one can utilize depending on resources as needs. 

 

At minimal one will need two stages of growth requiring two separate setups in order to keep a continuous flow of plants moving through the rotation schedule.  

 

I will not be getting into any elaborate details or designs for now. I just want to begin to touch base on this subject and how others too can fabricate a perpetual no matter the space and lighting allowance. It is a rather easy straight forward approach to having a continuous supply of not only medicine but proven stock once you have made phenotype selection from seeds grown or sourced clones. (Beware of Plant STD's if obtaining stock from unknown sources)

 

This whole subject can get complicated but for now we will just be addressing the basic two stage perpetual setup.Later on we can talk more about advanced methods incorporating many stages. I currently am incorporating a 6-7 stage perpetual with anywhere from 48-72 plants depending on variables. You may still grow a perpetual though with regulated plant counts as low as 6 if you are a bit diligent and do not keep mother plants.

 

 The two stage is pretty simple and straight forward. One area is for seed germination/cloning as well as vegetative growth. Some growers opt for 24 hours lighting and others 18/6. That choice is yours and only yours unless electric costs are a factor, then I would choose the 18/6 photoperiod. Plants actually seem to prefer to rest even if science says differently.

 

The second stage is the flowering chamber which needs to be kept dark 12 hours a day constantly due to the influx of incoming plants at different times according to ones own schedule as well as the plants. It takes a while to establish this second stage of the perpetual and if one is systematic and in tune with their vegetative stage they will always have a steady incoming supply of new plants at differing sizes due to the rotation and reset that takes place before or just after harvest. 

 

Again this can be a very complicated operation or a very simple one. It all depends on what your input is and how intricate you choose for the over all complexity of design. KISS is often best applied to even the perpetual and I second this suggestion. I may have 6-7 stages depending on rotations but in the end it is still pretty simple and straight forward. I keep many plants and always am starting new clones and seeds. The extra stages help me in this sense as well as being able to utilize direct lights in small spaces that help enforce strong lower initial growth. 

 

 I think I had said enough now about this subject in general. Please feel free to ask questions or add anything related to the subject including your own lay out and designs along with any notes you feel inclined to share.....

 

When all said and done, most medical growers need a steady perpetual grow. It is much easier than most people know. It can as well advance ones skills in the garden too verses waiting around for the harvest type garden to do its thing...........

 

Thanks for dropping by and posting in advance.......................PeacePipe


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Posted 24 January 2015 - 06:46 PM

I too have been running the perpetual cycles for the last 5 years with my current setup and ran a few others in different places before this.  Both myself and my ol' lady are legal med patients in WA state.  I don't run nearly as many as xxPeacePipexx... in fact I even moved my numbers down to 12 in veg and 12 in bud, just to be considerably lower than the allowed 15 per patient, here in WA (for now).  I do take around 30 clones, just to be safe... but usually end up tossing the other 18 by the first transplant.  I've also been known to keep cuttings soaking in B1 water, in the fridge for up to two weeks... just in-case something goes wrong.  Rarely ever needed... but stuff happens and those who are prepared keep on truckin', those who are not... can get stuck on the side of the road, so to speak.

 

Generally speaking... it's really not that complicated.  The only real problems I've had have been 1 outbreak of the borg (spider-mites, with no idea where or how they got in as I don't bring in unknown plants into my grow) and 1 group of failed clones that cost me 1 cropping and I almost lost one of my favored strains.  This was simply due to a change in the cloning soils wetting agents.  Not a big deal once I was aware of the problem... but finding out was a real p.i.t.a.  I'm currently running the few survivors through a "mothering" stage... topping helps to produce a bunch more clones and I don't normally top, due to the width that can take up in my narrower grow rooms.

 

I have one, very small area for clones, one small room for veg and a larger room for budding.  It's pretty easy to run the plants through veg and pull clones right before switching over to bud. You can still pull clones up to two weeks into bud, but it's much easier and less stressful to pull them while still in veg.   I also take that opportunity to clean out the bottom of the plants to avoid the "popcorn" growth that you get in the bottoms where the light penetration is weakest.  Just a little B1 treatment prior to taking the clones to reduce the stress and it's all good from there.

 

I've found that 3 weeks in clone and 5 weeks in veg keeps things moving along very nicely, hasn't been a problem for any of the strains I've run and keeps things inline for a good 8 weeks in bud.  You can run through faster or slower... depending on your methods but when it lines up and doesn't hurt anything... why not?  Things shuffle around of course... as needed, but that basic timeline has worked very well for me and keeps me from tripping over myself.

 

 

 

 

A friend of mine was recently approached by his uncle to help expand his state authorized, recreational grow operation.  He went through a few details but questioned when I laughed about maintaining mother plants and the hassles involved.  Apparently, his uncle had bought into and was perpetrating the old wives tale we've all heard about perpetual grows and deteriorating potency strength.  He was more than a little surprised to hear that I'd been running clones off of each generation (6 or 7 gens. each yr.) for over 5 years with no loss of potency.  I told him... I'm growing some of the same genetics as I was when I started and if they were getting any weaker, with my own tolerance building from smoking the same stuff day in and day out, if potency loss was a real problem... I wouldn't be getting anything out of what I'm growing by now and that's just not the case, not by a long shot.

 

just thought I'd ad a few more things in there to expand the conversation. :wink:


Edited by BikerPepe, 24 January 2015 - 06:49 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:37 PM

I am running a perpetual grow as well although I am relatively new at it and still working out the details for my setup and area of the country. If you are Ok with it Peace, I would like to share my setup as well  and also the changes I make as I continue to dial in my setup.


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Posted 24 January 2015 - 10:19 PM

I am running a perpetual grow as well although I am relatively new at it and still working out the details for my setup and area of the country. If you are Ok with it Peace, I would like to share my setup as well  and also the changes I make as I continue to dial in my setup.

 

Of course my friend. This thread is open to all and I hope we can make it a very perpetual thread while at it hehe.....Pot Porn will be shared and lots of it too..I ll get some shots of my not so glamorous setups compiled soon......

 

Anyone can post here with questions or anything relevant to the topic........ Post all you like KGBLuVR, We can all learn from another regardless of experience :)


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