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#26 sweettooth222

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 10:56 AM

honestly was never impressed with Space Queen myself....not that TGA has net put out some good stuff but when i seem to get her she's got a skunkiness in the taste thats not my kind of skunk love Romulan and you've heard me go on about the Cindy. but never found out what Tiny Bomb was when i was looking into them......not making the connection because the tiny bomb thats in the space bomb i wasn't able to find info on...


honestly was never impressed with Space Queen myself....not that TGA has net put out some good stuff but when i seem to get her she's got a skunkiness in the taste thats not my kind of skunk love Romulan and you've heard me go on about the Cindy. but never found out what Tiny Bomb was when i was looking into them......not making the connection because the tiny bomb thats in the space bomb i wasn't able to find info on...

i guess whats Tiny Bomb (space queen pheno) and were in the Wonder Wonder would it be is a better question?


OK NVM tiny bomb plush berry pheno is my question? 

answered the last one for myself


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Posted 26 February 2015 - 10:59 AM

honestly was never impressed with Space Queen myself....not that TGA has net put out some good stuff but when i seem to get her she's got a skunkiness in the taste thats not my kind of skunk love Romulan and you've heard me go on about the Cindy. but never found out what Tiny Bomb was when i was looking into them......not making the connection because the tiny bomb thats in the space bomb i wasn't able to find info on...


i guess whats Tiny Bomb and were in the Wonder Wonder would it be is a better question?


OK NVM tiny bomb plush berry pheno is my question? 

answered the last one for myself

 

 I had issues with the Space Dude as well, but I did extensive work and found all it had to offer in both the positive aspect and the negative. Long story short Romulan is diverse as can be. I do not plan on ever growing out anything else of the space works but these Plushberry mixes outclassed Subs work and the recessive genes that skipped over the Plushberry  really opened up a diverse world of Kreations my friend.


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Posted 26 February 2015 - 11:01 AM

BTW my vote is on "pink lights" for plant structure and "space lights" for bud structure,,,and all i see is the color and trichomes meeting in the middle......i can dream right.....lol

 

(and i know those are trained looking at single branches and how buds form next to each other)


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Posted 26 February 2015 - 11:04 PM

I agree, they are two unique opposites in essence. The Space lights is a time like warp and very Sat dom in effect. The Pink one was heavy and sedating and it displayed its inheritance of its fathers structure. That Space Lights took the Space from the Queen I do believe hehe.. Now the queen is not really royal but I doubt she was anyways. I grew that too and never thought of it to be the grail others put it and Vics other work out to be.. 

 

I grew for 20 years without a name so in this day and age I see no names even though I give each plant one to let others know who they are. I do have over 20 clone only ladies and always a few dozen seeds and cuts here at all times but I do not label them or mark even my clones due to my intimacy with each and every one... Rarely do I mix them up due to the nature each has of its own being. The Manidou (Spirit) is what I recognize before pattern though and I could sense them all with eyes closed due to that connection we have with our children, be they furred winged or rooted for that matter :)

 

Yes all my plants are trained my friend. Both physiologically and with my conscious. I envision what I want to shape the plant into while allowing the energy of the mind to help the energy of my hands shape and shift the plants into anything I want through training and tying. Manipulation to the advantage of canopy management. Most of the plants Kreated by me and Kak stand strong on their own but still its most idea I feel to shape them this way into submission in the sense that no plant is allowed to  get out of line here.

 

Outdoors well thats another story but growing indoors in an unnatural environment requires some unnatural activity and actions. I love to grow as many ways as there are plant types and mixes. I look at the plant from all angles while taking it to all angles and extremes. This I believe is what takes the love to another level. I also look more deeper into them and their inernature beyond chemotypes and physical traits. I like to study the deepest side of genetics by transcending with a plant by in-taking its sacrament and medicine while becoming one with it in a bond of connections and understanding..

 

 Hope all is well your way sweettooth.. I have been making hash all damn day and keeping house while trimming slowly up a Michigan pound. Busy day here in other words:) 


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Posted 27 February 2015 - 09:22 AM

As it seems just from our other conversations that you are very in tune with your plants....its good to to know that my goals ((getting to know my girls and finding out how i can do everything to allow the to thrive to just survive)) is not some far out idea....the more i hear you talk about it the more my goals seem rather earthly over some crazy plant person it seemed.....i really have started to be able to connect much more clearly now that i don't just ask, and talk to them but sit and hold them and talk to them and listen longer than i talk......its amazing! and the labeling i did do at first with my first seed girls but they lost there label and didn't get one back in the transplant into the 5 gal there finishing in and haven't even bought about labeling i guess till know......i couldn't tell em apart with my eyes closed but i do feel the connection growing everyday! and it is really crazy how different the energy the each put off are.... its like they all flow in different ways and the energy around them each has its own way of letting you know what there doing and what they expect.....idk how to explain it at all but the let me know when I've spent a lot of time with one over the other.....its almost like i get a brush up from a leaf ok that one thing but when you get chills run through your whole body after the one that going to get feed next brushes you its an amazing feeling of wow they really do enjoy my attention, affection, and love......

 

And all is well right now got a couple next steps that i have much more experience at (harvesting trim dry cure) that monday has in store for me so in the mean time got to get the drying room put up and all ready pick up some new scissors so on and so forth...and must be fun...what do you do for hash if i may ask? got a few ideas but first plant so it has some more hash buds than i like so I'm going to try a bunch of different ways....  

 

Good luck to you and hope its more fun than strenuous for you


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Posted 28 February 2015 - 08:17 AM

 I use ice water extraction aka bubble hash even though bubble is a select grade of the most pristine. I usually pull bubble in the higher ranges of micron screen sizes unless dealing with those tiny tricks most Sativa genetics display.  I have a small washing machine that I utilize most times not due to the mass I build of plant material with my perpetual. 

 

The machine has to be ran just right due to the extra agitation but I can get just as much quality out of it as I can with the spoon and bucket technique. I never had any teachers once again. Just a few pointers were given and I dove right into this modernized art form in an attempt to master it as much as possible. I find this helped me excel in learning by trial and error. This then led me to the machine once I mastered the hand stir. I had to do the same with the washer, it took some time to perfect it without finding contamination from plant particulates in the sense of leaf material. I do not like Hash with foreign contaminants or plant matter in it even if it is from the plant being extracted at hand or machined hehe

 

 I also have a few extra hands (Patients) when need be and this helps relieve me from the burden of always watching the washer as it likes to hop at times when unbalanced and it always sits next to my kitchen sink on the counter in order to use the sink and bubble bags even more efficiently then when in a bucket.

 

I have three sets of bubble bags, two hard sided ones and a deluxe set of all mesh and the later also has a 90mic bag for those sized trichomes as well but I tend to not get into the vastness of separating by microns in magnitude. I tend to know my material and trichome sizes fresh or dry, I like the later. This allows me to narrow down what two bags I will be using in an individual run. Usually its 70 mic and 25 on average due to the standard among the ladies here in their trichome development sizes.

 

I also prefer to use a dryer starting material and it is already well decarboxylated and this allows for a shorter turn around time when drying and curing. No need but to dry off any excess water and then it just gets better and better as it ages and is exposed to air turning the Indica side of my extracts into black hash balls that the old sailors here love and adore. The sat dom stuff gets grated and broken into a crystal like hash and this is the creme of the pull imho

 

I only ran two loads as shown below and I did not push them for a second run as normally I do not like the quality once it is beaten this far into submission lol.. This is when you find the contaminants and wind up with smoldering hash. None of mine including the 25 mic will smolder, it bubbles and melts every time. Great for spiking bowls and joints but I tend not to smoke it solo too much due to my own love and preference for the whole plant effect verses extracts.. Best of both worlds once twisted up or blended together in a pipe.. But once in a while I will smoke the pure stuff just to enjoy and share the effects of the limited plant compounds. The plant holds more cannaibinoids inwards then most know and I suspect in time we will learn more about the inernature of its medicine found within flowers and leaves and even stems.. Smoked them too long ago to get high and the finest ones did the trick even though it was a woody like high.. The shit kids do and adults as well when the drought of the 80's and 90's came around during those hot summers here in the states... 

 

 

 

 

Both  Indica extract  to the right side and in the left is a sat run just extracted and pressed. I think it will  all add up to be about 3/4 of an ounce when all said and dry.. Give or take a gram hehe ( I toked on a lil.)

 

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Posted 28 February 2015 - 09:26 AM

well i have talk with some extract makers that work with vacuum ovens and some with dry sift that id like to blend the ideas for in getting all the trepans and flavor and smell. i have had some working with CO2 and it is not like any bubble, dry ice, dry sift, etc. in the sense of the full flavor and effect of the whole bud with a lot of patients with time and temp almost in a form of preservation as with any good dry and cure process.  


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Posted 28 February 2015 - 10:27 AM

Right on my friend. I am an old school artist but I know and understand this world of chemisty and extracting just as well as the next  person in line studying this field long term. Metabolites like Flavanoids as well as Terpenoids and Terpenes can be extracted with fresh material  at home and this I do as well from time to time  I have to keep this all though in pristine form most times not, due to patients and the diseases they have from Agent Orange poisoning. I tend to deal with terminally ill patients more then some and I always think about any and all contaminants while avoiding the routes that lead to such from begining to end with both the growing and extractions. The fresh extracts are all amazing too regardless of the 4 differing methods I use in my approach here in my own den.

 

SkunkPharm would be a great place to learn and study. Grey Wolf and Eloquent solutions are one hell of a team and brilliancy has been displayed by the data and findings in this organization and community in one. You can really excel with the team in all ways if this is a route you want to really explore and learn from. I had the pleasure of working with a master chemist who had 40k worth of equipment for extracting and I worked intimately for a while with him in order to learn and grow even though I ll never be in a lab again most likely now that he sold it all. 

 

 

 Such a world of diversity my friend. I rely though on things I can do at home in the clandestine manner while keeping nothing here that could be used against me and my family as a lab charge. The law will witch hunt you if your caught with these things here in my area and this alone keeps me straight as can be here in the clandestine manner of the underground growers association.  I make extracts outside with alcohol and even my neighbors have no clue when I am cooking it down due to my fox like nature and inner nature relating to this animal my friend.. My den is always clean and safe as can be for my pups :wink:

 

Looking forward to watching you develop and learn from this all while you explore those avenues that you deem to be of your walk. Best of blessings my friend.Think about salts and saline solutions and you may open another doorway as well to a whole new road of ionic compounds and extraction ..

 

 

This may be of some help :)

 

Production of .DELTA. 9 tetrahydrocannabinol

ABSTRACT:
.DELTA.9 THC acid is obtained from plant material and extracted into an aqueous solvent under conditions of pH control. The acid is converted to a salt and the salt extracted into a polar solvent, yielding acid of high purity. The .DELTA.9 THC acid is then converted to .DELTA.9 THC which is further purified and combined with a carrier for pharmaceutical use.

In the patent:

Bud is ground to fine homogeneous flour consistency.

This is then extracted with an alkane or mix of alkane solvents. Methane, butane, hexane, and octane are all alkane solvents. The inventors consider hexane to be the best they tested. This is done at room temp.

The solvent is filtered of plant matter and the plant matter is discarded.

The THCacid (THCA) is extracted from the alkane solvent into a second saline aqueous solvent with ph of 12.7-13.2. This is achieved by taking saline (sodium chloride solution) and adjusting the ph to 13 with sodium hydroxide. It is possible to make a ph as low as 12 but best purity is achieved between 12.7-13.2. Ph above this can start to degrade the THC and below this will allow more CBD and other impurities to migrate to the aqueous solvent. The sodium hydroxide reacts with the THCA converting it to THCA Sodium salt which is more soluble in the polar aqueous solvent than in the non-polar hexane. (The sodium chloride is used to inhibit an emulsion layer from forming between the two solvents.)

The two solvents are separated and here the inventors throw out the THC containing hexane.

The remaining aqueous solution containing the THCA salt is then combined with DIPE (diisopropyl ether) at which point the THCA salt preferentially migrates into the DIPE. The inventors suggest other ethers could be used here but that the extraction in this step would not be as complete as with DIPE as the salt seems significantly more soluble in DIPE than water but not so much with other ethers. It is a shame DIPE is not easy to get and is dangerous to store. The use of DIPE here also further purifies the THCA. The DIPE is then washed with a small amount of clean base/saline solution.

The DIPE is then acidified to a ph of less than 3 using dilute hydrochloric acid.

The acidified DIPE is then filtered through diatomaceous earth to remove any remaining plant matter. The acidification is crucial before this step because the THCA salt will not pass through the filter.

The DIPE is then refluxed for 10 hours with a 22% sodium hydroxide solution to decarboxylate the THC, preferably in a nitrogen atmosphere.

The THC containing DIPE is then filtered through activated charcoal and evaporated to yield 95-99% pure THC.

They suggest several ways of refining it further.

What I did:
Powdered bud in coffee grinder making sure to get every bit back out that I could.

This was extracted at room temp for 30min in to Turpenoid ™, a mix of long chain alkanes and filtered.

This was mixed thoroughly with twice the volume of calcium hydroxide-saturated saline solution, ph ~12.5, for 1hr.

The solvent layers were separated and the Turpenoid layer was evaporated to yield honey oil.

The aqueous layer was adjusted to a ph of 2-2.5 using citric acid.

A small amount of coleman naphtha (~1/5th the volume of Turpenoid used) was then added and the to solvents were thoroughly shaken together for 20 min. The naphtha was pulled off the top. More naphtha was added, shaken and separated 2 more times.

All three runs of naphtha were then combined and evaporated. The last bit of residue was removed with the help of a double boiler.

This resulted in a yield which was part tan oil and part what appeared to be THCA salt.

This was cured over night.

When smoked the high was sharp and distinctive when compared to either the source material (tyson) or the honey oil and distinctly more potent than the honey oil drop per drop.

This Tek could potentially be used as a step in the BHO making process since butane is an alkane. With dried bud however the yield is not particularly worth the effort (3g==>3-6 hits "pure" plus 15-20 hits honey oil). It might be more worth it with wet bud or leaf or with already kiffed bud.

It would also probably improve yield to follow their recipe exactly but I did the best I could under the circumstances.


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Posted 28 February 2015 - 11:00 AM

off to start the to do list for the day thanks for the info exploration to be continued......


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Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:03 AM

This was a fun thread to read through. Thank you for sharing!
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