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#1 Greenview

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:28 PM

Hi, GP, hope you all are doing well! Just eager to share my new setup with you all as I'm super excited and just had the first bean pop in the new experimental grow. I retired (well, put in the closet) my 250 lumatek MH/HPS duo ballast and the two 250 cfl reflector kits I had making a holy and dangerous mess of my tiny closet, and in their stead I splurged on the quite beautifully crafted HGL penetrator pro LED; the 84X2 to be more precise. Taking it out of the box, I was instantly pleased by its heft and solidity, and even the hanging accessories were top-notch. I wasn't planning a grow, but i had to see it in action so I set it up right away. That was two weeks ago. Slowly, ideas formed in the darker and more inspired regions of my brain not occupied thinking about cheetos, or why noone's ever tried to make a hambuger out of bacon, and before you know it I went out and got some airpots, and some new soil, and I looked over my beans, and well, now there's one just popped up today. Most likely afghan numba 1 from Sweet seeds. I have to look at the breeder, and I say most likely because I popped a random seed in their bag, thinking it was Lowryder 2 I had found while cleaning up the last grow and easily recognizable, which is possible, though maybe not so memorable, so, we'll see. These are photos, as regular plants are now called, and unsexed, so the idea was to get a mother to clone for 1/2plant scrogs. I dropped three beans in peat starter blocks a coupla days ago and one's already poking her head, here on the fall equinox of all things. Take a gander at the growroom; here's the deal, although not my fav strain... Strain: Afghan #1 (free beans from online purchase) My first grow with LED... Wooha! Lights: HGL Penetrator Pro 84X2: 84 3 watt diodes that kick ass, and only draw 145-155w. If I get 150gs dry from a grow in that space, I'm happy. Fan a tad noisy though barely audible with door closed. Superb construction, NO heat emission, a really clean way to grow, somehow. I know the plants love the no stress factor with LED and CFL. I also know a 400hps would yield more, just more complicated and per watt, not so good with that tiny space. Now, my biggest worry is maybe slightly higher humidity than before, in the low 50s, so we'll see. Medium: Soil/Atami Kilo Mix (inspiring name) Hoping it doesn't burn seedlings. I think it's 12/24/12. I'm trying airpots for the first time, these are 3.3 gallon, and so far think they're intelligent as hell, though my plant is one day old and totally unaffected by whatever might be going on outside its peat crib or what I think about it. Right now it's cool outside and temps are 70 degrees in the closet with doors open or closed (yes!), I water the seedlings often, just keep their peat moist. RH 50. I've got the light on half power 18/6 for the seedlings; just two of its four light clusters illuminated. In the pics you can see how bright she gets when she's on full. Nutrient bouquet; well, since the kilo mix should have things covered maybe 2/3 weeks, I'll just keep me eyes open for trouble. Well, that's the lowdown, folks. I'm excited as mad to see how the pots, good, aerated soil and new light affect things. Ciao for now, and happy healing, gv

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:55 PM

cool :) muA
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#3 Greenview

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:02 PM

Here's the strain: http://www.seedsman....-1-5-reg-seeds/<;
Hey Mediuse! Thanks for dropping in.
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Posted 21 September 2012 - 05:04 PM

Way cool set-up! B)
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Posted 22 September 2012 - 02:51 AM

Way cool set-up! B)


Thanks, HD ;) I'm really diggin' it. It's the type of grow I imagined when I started growing. Now I just need to move to a bigger place where I can tent everything. I'm looking at Secret Garden DRII tents with their scrog net. FOr now I'm in my white little corner. Here're today's pics of day one for this girl. I've got the light 15" away from the seedling and on half power. Maria's her name, this firstborn, hopefully not Mack. Hope her sisters follow along pretty soon.
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Posted 22 September 2012 - 06:18 AM

Hey GV! Long time no see! Hope all is good on your side! All the best with the grow! Hope those LED's deliver!
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Posted 22 September 2012 - 10:05 AM

I'm pulling up a chair for this grow.Really looking forward to see what these led's do.Lots of karma to you. :) Peace, Blue
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Posted 22 September 2012 - 02:00 PM

Interesting stuff, Greenview. Look forward to seeing what the Penetrator can do....Penetrator...I love that name. It sounds like a porn star. lol. Anyhow, I'm very curious to see how a high performance "penetrating" LED light works. I've heard that they're great for vegging. It'll be interesting to see what the latest generation in technology does in terms of flowering. Hopefully it'll save you some on the electric bill and yield you some great meds. Good karma on this one, man. Cheers, Scoob P.S.- I hope you're wearing some good sunglasses when you're working around that light. I've been around LED lights a couple of times and they were absolutely blinding.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 03:04 PM

Wishing you all the best on this grow!!!


Peace & healing back at ya!!
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 01:37 AM

Wiao, Poet, Scooby, Blue and GeeGee (qué mas!?), nice to be around the campfire with you folks! Really great to see some familiar profiles. Afghan seedling number two just popped last night so I've got the two seedlings in the big pots, and put the remaining unpopped in a 2gal pot. The 84X2 is on full bore now, 15" away from seedlings, and Scoob, I've heard the same thing about veg for LED, but I'm seeing that over the last year or two the technology has gotten lots more powerful with better magnifying lenses for the diodes and then bigger diodes with new spectrums. Each of these clusters has a green diode, the color I remember hearing Ed Rosenthal mentioning was missing in particular from the spectrum of MOST leds on teh market, so they addressed that... And the "improved penetration" with the 3watt diodes in this sucker I DO find sexy, Sir Scoob. I see that they usually produce less overall yield but CRAZY trich formation due to deep reds in the spectrum. Anyhoo, I say when we stop being curious, we're dead, so... let's see?! You gyus all have the same questions about this I do, but I believe that I chose a real high quality light from among what's out there, not very powerful, but for a less than 2x2 space, could be great. Here're the solstice sisters on day one and 2. Any of you plant directly into heavily nuted soil like this? BTW soil is 12/14/24 flowering heavy. That's OK, I want to sex these real early. If I get two females, one comes out and becomes houseplant/Mom, the other gets scrogged, or if only one fem, scrogged while taking a clone to grow out as mother. Here're the Afghan Solstice Sistas, Maria and Janet, 2 and 1 days old, under new streamilined LED badassness. Much love, GV

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:16 AM

Hi, GP, little update. Day 5 and 4 respectively, for Janet and Maria, and there's a little someone trying to unbend her neck out of her cube, so we've got all three beans up and running by the end of the day. I'm happy with growth for the two seedlings, comparable to CFL and MH for the moment, and so won't approach the light any. I see a little brown on the new, tiny sets of leaves, probably as the tap roots reach down into the nutrient heavy soil. From what I've seen, seedlings may fry a little at the beginning an then recuperate when hardier, depending I suppose on strain. Everyone's run Afghan #1, I bet; you guys know the strain? Here pics; I sepiad a couple so you can see the seedlings. Rock on! GV

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 12:45 PM

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:17 PM

yup new life..... grow babies grow!
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:24 AM

Thanks for looking in, ladies and gents; Sally was born overnight, after at least 24 hrs labor. Today's her day one;) So, all three beans popped; if you'll remember (hah!) I dropped a LR2 seed that I found after having lost it while planting the previous grow, and I threw them in my Afghan numba 1 baggie, thinking I'd be able to recognize the bean... in between I harvested, and well, having smoked three entire plants since, I did my best. Maria is on day 6 and Janet 5, and they look alike now, good chances same strain. Sally, we'll just have to wait a day or three and see. I'll do pics once a week or so. Kisses, hope you're all having as much fun as I am, really digging this grow with new light etc. happy healing, GV
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:26 AM

Greenview....am SO glad I ain't the only one to give names ti me gals Hysterical...mebbme maria, janet and sally are your equivalent to me AMY BETTY and CATHY :D hehehe muA
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:43 AM

Greenview....am SO glad I ain't the only one to give names ti me gals Hysterical...mebbme maria, janet and sally are your equivalent to me AMY BETTY and CATHY :D hehehe

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LOL guitar.gif @Medi-Definitely not alone in that category!

The girlettes look great at the moment; just getting misted and a cup or two of water a day. Day 7, 6 and 2 for my Afghan ABCs. The first leaf pair on the biggest has an extra tine on it; wonder if it's the LED? The strain's not a hybrid, so hmmm?

Here da pics; I keep getting good focus on the soil, but not yet the plants;) iconchef.gif

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:09 AM

They are coming along nicely. Peace, Blue
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:41 AM

They are coming along nicely.
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Thank you, Blue, I'm happy with the way things are going and I'm happy you're along.

I may start a new thread asking about true optimal soil PH. Our own FAQ says 6.2-6.8, some say 6.0 or die, some swear 6.8 only, both of whaich according to some plant charts would block out a thing or two... truth is, after all this time, and a recent juicy joint, I still can't figure it out. The plants don't seem worried, but I decided to check Sally's runoff PH with tapwater of 7.2 according to a method I just grabbed off of our boards somewhere, and it's at 6,2. The Atami Kilo mix is a 12/14/24 mix marked at 5,5-6,5 soil ph, so I've got my seeds in flowering mix, basically, and it looks like they're gonna grow at a low ph unless I do something. Necessary? Their roots are just getting into this stuff from their aseptic little cubes, so too early to tell for basically anything. Well, much love to youse, happy healing, GV
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:49 AM

If it looks like the soil is too hot and the seedlings are burning,flush the heck out of those pots. Peace, Blue P.S. I have used bloom nutes for an entire grow before and it worked pretty well.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:31 PM

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:13 AM

afghani #1 is one of the first strains I worked with and it is still one of my favorites. best of luck with them
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 05:04 AM

Thanks for the help everyone; I'm reassured. That's some serious little booklet, there Mediuse! Hard larnings;) And Ohmless for the bump on the strain. Blue, for the moment, they're cool, exept for Sally's tininess, so no flush as yet. No burn either. And the runoff ph is low enough I don't have to correct my water. Let's see for the update. I'm going to be a little disorganized, thoughtwise. A couple of observations on the LED; light distance and heat: I'm used to having a ton of heat with up to three 250 lights in there, with only one it's up to 80, and have a tendency to push the lights way low on the plants, so backing off this no-heat 130watt light to a prudish 15" is a little hard for me to accept, but I'm doing it and they're doing well, very healthy. The no heat means less watering for me, or the soil just lays there wet in 72 degree temps. I was thinking of how to bring the temp up in there, and then I saw a brilliant post somewhere here; "instead of heating your apartment more wyncha just add your 250 and get some light out of the heat you're going to pay for." Not stupid at all; so I may add my red 250 cfl, or get a new blue 125w cfl bulb, as I think the LED has plenty red. Nothing crazy. Zee plants... first time I run the strain and first under LED so I don't know what to expect. They are not max robust, but quite good for this period of growth. I think due to lowish temps limiting things a bit. No worries; I have to remember there's just one plant gonna be under there in a few weeks, once sexing and choosing a winner are done. I'll keep one outside the cab if I get two females. These will be cropped in prep for a scrog. Don't miss the lass two pics;) Thanks for stopping in! GV

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:39 AM

OK, so as with any new technology, I'm learning -fast- running around, looking at grow journals, LED grow faqs and recommendations, even joined an all LED MJ group, and these are the major differences I've found. First, plant transpiration. It seemed to me that my soil was staying wet an awful long time, and that the plants were not as happy (not drinking as much, creating abundant foliage) at 70-74 degrees under a smallish LED as they were basking under a close up cfl or under mh with its radiant heat. Reading up, I found two interesting things. Uno, LEDs don't produce much heat or none, like mine, are self-cooling etc, but plants need an ambient temp of 80-85 to flourish under these lights apparently. SO I added 125w blue cfl, about which my only complaint is that it doesn't give off ENOUGH heat. This apparently helps the process of transpiration, and the plants metabolize as they should or what have you. (At this point you're realizing I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.) Dos-we're supposed to mix 50% perlite to soil for LED grows, even with my airpots, which I didn't do, only 25%, and this could lead to root rot with the damp soil. SO the cfl should be just enough to get things on a normal track, but it's no longer an LED only grow, so... hum. I'm not trying to max out the cfl, just using it laterally and as a side order of fries to the HGL's Quarter Pounder. I really liked the idea of no clutter, and I have to give that idea up, too. Anyway, the plants are good, Sally's still tiny, and the light spectrum has veered vastly to blue in there. Now around 260-275 total watts pulled. In summer, no lack of heat issues in here. Different story. All right, photos. Peace, GV

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:14 AM

interesting about the heat or lack of it inhibiting the growth... thinking.gif wonder if a similar prob might be avoided by going hydro? muA
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:51 AM

hey gv nice thread dude the leds are lookin great, i noticed u mentiond a scrogg screen imo you would be better off making your own grid/screen as the shop bought elastic screens are not very strong and dont seem to hold the plants down enough here dude check my journal https://www.greenpas...se/page__st__50 i make my own with 3 inch squares and it works ace. good luck with the leds. bonghead
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