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#1 ineedhope

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:16 PM

Hi All,

Just wondering for the cancer survivors out there, what supplements are you currently taking with your MMJ? What worked, what didn't work? I probably spend thousands of dollars on supplements for my mom's colorectal cancer and am still learning about ones that may be useful that we haven't tried yet.

Please don't take this as gospel as everyone is different but I thought it would be a good place to share as we can help each other. Here's what worked/didn't work:

DIDN'T WORK
  • - DCA (compounded version from the pharmacy, we didn't try anything from the DCAstore.com)
  • - Celebrex (as a Cox-2 inhibitor), her CEA numbers continued to rise and she had heart palpitations for it
  • - Low Dose Naltrexone
  • - Cimetidine
  • Immunotherapy from Mexico (Issels)
WHAT WORKED
  • -low carb, low fat, zero sugar diet - although what we discovered is that because she was vegan, her albumin levels were really low which is associated with a bad prognosis for cancer patients. so she had to reintroduce in egg whites. since then her albumin has been in the normal range
  • - cottage cheese/flax seed - she had cachexia and everytime we stick to this she has an appetite again and starts gaining weight
  • - omega 3's and omega 6's
  • - B vitamins
  • - Essiac and milk thistle, the nodes on her liver have been stable all these years even when tumors in other areas have grown
  • - ALA, helps with the nerve damage from FOLFOX chemo
  • - Melatonin
  • - Vitamin D (50,000 iu's per day) and natural sunshine when available
  • - Reishi mushroom
  • - Turmeric emulsion
Though my mom's cancer is progressing she has outlived all of her oncologist's predictions so she did do somethings right (although not enough).

Here's a list of somethings we are in the process of trying:
  • MMJ - tincture, graft, oil/grease, tea, juice - building up to 150 grams in whatever time we have left (hopefully at least 90 days or more)
  • Poly MVA: http://www.polymva.com/about-poly-mva.html
  • Artemix
  • More of the Budwig diet
Does anyone have experience with Poly MVA or Artemix or anything else with their cancers that they think we should add/try?

Thanks!
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Edited by ineedhope, 11 July 2012 - 04:17 PM.

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#2 ineedhope

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 01:37 AM

Thank you Teddy, you are very sweet. xo
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:41 PM

When I was going through Chemo and Radiation (and i know you asked about supplements but) for whatever reason when nothing else sounded good watermelon and pineapple always sounded good in fact I craved them. I don't know about the pineapple but I just looked up watermelon the other day becasue I was craving it again and brought one home. So I looked on the web to see what was healthy about it exactly, and there are high amounts of lycopene which help fight cancer. I know there are others but I just saw this post and thosed were the first two that came to mind. Cannabis of course, everyone turns to cannabis when it's life and death it seems like...it's how I got here too. The supplement's that helped me too even though I am a guy I tried prenatal vitamins at the advice of my wife because of the concentrated doses and the extra iron for my blood. I also used CoQ10 which seemed to help too. But the Cannabis works better than the $750 per pill anti-nausea medication I was initially given before I was "enlightened". Hugs and I am praying for you and your mom Hug Smiley
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:32 PM

There is a big bunch on turmeric and cancer at PubMed (Don't be afraid of PubMed! Just keep another window open to look up definitions! headscratch.gif ) I take turmeric every day in a capsule and use it in cooking.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....eric and cancer


Have you tried hemp seed in her diet? It is amazingly healthy for you and more palatable than flax seed! It has the ideal Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio.

HEMP SEED: THE MOST NUTRITIONALLY COMPLETE FOOD SOURCE IN THE WORLD (1) (full - 1992) http://www.ratical.o.../hempseed1.html

I would focus more on the Omega 3 levels in her diet. We get plenty of Omega 6 in the everyday diet. Omega 3, we are WAY short on.

O-6 vs. O-3 ratio
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Omega-6+to+Omega-3+Ratio+-+Discover+the+Shocking+Reality+That+Ruins...-a01073970178

The lack of Omega 3 in the modern diet is one of the biggest and underrated heath stories around! To heal with cannabis, or your body's own endocannabinoids (anandamide and 2-AG), you need WORKING CB1 receptors! To make working CB1 receptors, absolutely need Omega 3! If you don't have Omega 3, your body will try to use an Omega 6- which almost works.

These guys were just looking at the brain, but if a lack of Omega 3 makes a "dud" CB1 receptor in the brain, it is more than likely that it will do the same in the body!


“Nutritional omega-3 deficiency abolishes endocannabinoid-mediated neuronal functions.”
http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/21278728/abstract/Nutritional_omega_3_deficiency_abolishes_endocannabinoid_mediated_neuronal_functions_

The corollaries of the obesity epidemic that plagues developed societies are malnutrition and resulting biochemical imbalances. Low levels of essential n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids (n-3 PUFAs) have been linked to neuropsychiatric diseases, but the underlying synaptic alterations are mostly unknown. We found that lifelong n-3 PUFAs dietary insufficiency specifically ablates long-term synaptic depression mediated by endocannabinoids in the prelimbic prefrontal cortex and accumbens. In n-3-deficient mice, presynaptic cannabinoid CB(1) receptors (CB(1)Rs) normally responding to endocannabinoids were uncoupled from their effector G(i/o) proteins. Finally, the dietary-induced reduction of CB(1)R functions in mood-controlling structures was associated with impaired emotional behavior. These findings identify a plausible synaptic substrate for the behavioral alterations caused by the n-3 PUFAs deficiency that is often observed in western diets.

Granny’s translation – “The US diet sucks big time and we are fat, undernourished, and crazy because of it. We get WAY too much Omega 6 and not enough Omega 3. Not getting enough Omega 3 can make you crazy because without it, the CB1 cannabinoid receptors in your brain aren’t made right- a chunk that is supposed to be attached, isn’t! Broken receptors give you “impaired emotional behavior”. So we think it’s the low Omega 3 diet that’s making the US totally nuts!”

Cannabinoid Receptor Function is Altered by Nutrionally Deficient Diet (news – 2012)
http://www.examiner....-deficient-diet

The severity of colorectal cancer is tied to the loss of CB1 receptors, which is why Omega 3 is SO important!

Turned-Off Cannabinoid Receptor Turns On Colorectal Tumor Growth (news - 2008)
Turned-off Cannabinoid Receptor Turns On Colorectal Tumor Growth

Marijuana takes on colon cancer (news - 2008)
Marijuana takes on colon cancer - health - 01 August 2008 - New Scientist

Cannabis-Linked Cell Receptor Might Help Prevent Colon Cancer (news - 2008)
HealthScout-Consumer Health News, Information and Resources Updated Daily-Cancer-Cannabis-Linked Cell Receptor Might Help Prevent Colon Cancer

CANNABINOID RECEPTOR MAY PLAY ROLE IN SUPPRESSING TUMORS
(news – 2008) http://jama.jamanetw...rticleid=182826

Cannabinoid cell surface receptor plays a tumor-suppressing role in human colorectal cancer (news – 2008) http://www.news-medi...8/03/40485.aspx

This is what I have for newer studies on colorectal cancer-

Opposing Actions of Endocannabinoids on Cholangiocarcinoma Growth :
RECRUITMENT OF Fas AND Fas LIGAND TO LIPID RAFTS (full – 2007)
http://www.jbc.org/content/2
2/17/13098.full

The cannabinoid CB(2) receptor: a good friend in the gut. (abst – 2007)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17727390

The cannabinoid delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits RAS-MAPK and PI3K-AKT survival signalling and induces BAD-mediated apoptosis in colorectal cancer cells. (abst - 2007) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17583570

Increased endocannabinoid levels reduce the development of precancerous lesions in the mouse colon. (full – 2008) http://www.ncbi.nlm....91/?tool=pubmed

Cannabinoid receptor activation induces apoptosis through tumor necrosis factor alpha-mediated ceramide de novo synthesis in colon cancer cells. (full – 2008) http://clincancerres...14/23/7691.long

Emerging role of cannabinoids in gastrointestinal and liver diseases: basic and clinical aspects (abst – 2008) http://gut.bmj.com/c...8/1140.abstract

Induction of the antitumorigenic NSAID-activated gene (NAG-1) in synthetic hexahydrocannabinol-induced apoptosis of human colorectal cancer cells (abst - 2009)
http://www.fasebj.or...ourcetype=HWCIT

Cannabinoid receptor-independent cytotoxic effects of cannabinoids in human colorectal carcinoma cells: synergism with 5-fluorouracil. (abst + 1st page – 2009) http://www.springerl...008p9643k139l4/

Cannabinoids in intestinal inflammation and cancer (abst - 2009) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19442536

US Patent Application 20100222437 - COMPOSITION CONTAINING NON-PSYCHOTROPIC CANNABINOIDS FOR THE TREATMENT OF INFLAMMATORY DISEASES (full – 2010)
http://www.patentsto...7/fulltext.html

Pharmacological effects of cannabinoids on the Caco-2 cell culture model of intestinal permeability. (abst - 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20592049

Effects of anandamide on polyamine levels and cell growth in human colon cancer cells (abst – 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20682986

Induction of p53-independent apoptosis by a novel synthetic hexahydrocannabinol analog is mediated via Sp1-dependent NSAID-activated gene-1 in colon cancer cells
(abst - 2010) http://www.sciencedi...006295210001735

Involvement of NSAID-activated gene-1 in a novel synthetic hexahydrocannabinol analogue-induced growth inhibition and apoptosis of colon cancer cells (abst - 2010)
http://www.fasebj.or...ourcetype=HWCIT

The endogenous cannabinoid, anandamide, induces COX-2-dependent cell death in apoptosis-resistant colon cancer cells. (abst, link to PDF - 2010)
http://www.spandidos...om/ijo/37/1/187

Evaluation of the cyclooxygenase inhibiting effects of six major cannabinoids isolated from Cannabis sativa. (full – 2011) http://www.jstage.js...b/34/5/774/_pdf

Phytocannabinoids for use in the treatment of cancer - Patent GB2478595 (A) ― 2011-09-14 (full – 2011) http://worldwide.esp...B=&locale=en_EP

Interaction of endocannabinoid system and steroid hormones in the control of colon cancer cell growth. (abst - 2011) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21412772

Induction of apoptosis by cannabinoids in prostate and colon cancer cells is phosphatase dependent. (abst – 2011) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22110202

Chemopreventive effect of the non-psychotropic phytocannabinoid cannabidiol on experimental colon cancer. (abst – 2012) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22231745

Anti-tumor Activity of the Novel Hexahydrocannabinol Analog LYR-8 in Human Colorectal Tumor Xenograft Is Mediated through the Inhibition of Akt and Hypoxia-Inducible Factor-1α Activation. (abst – 2012) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22687485

How Weed Can Protect Us From Cancer and Alzheimer's (book excerpt – 2012)
http://www.alternet....and_alzheimer's




And there are these-

Israeli 'cancer shift' over heart disease mortality may be led by greater risk in women with high intake of n-6 fatty acids. http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17923822

n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid intake and cancer risk in Italy and Switzerland. http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12672040

Long-chain n-3-to-n-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid ratios in breast adipose tissue from women with and without breast cancer. http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12416257


Hope that helps!


Granny :peace1:
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:40 PM

Granny - thank you so much for all of those links! Definitely food for thought. We have her on Omega 3's (flax oil in Budwig) and I've also read that cancer patients have a tough time converting to the DHA/EPA so we have her on Cod Liver Oil as well, 3000 mg. I'll definitely read up on your links as it would help me too to prevent from getting disease. Much love!!! smileyheart.gif
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 06:55 AM

Thanks for info in this thread. Would appreciate input on supplementaion with RSO/ + chemo.

Brother has been given six months yesterday. Age 41. Diagnosed end feb this year with stage 4, aggressive, metastasized prostate cancer. Gone downhill fast since then, treatment resistent cancer.In and out of hopsital for radio therapy. Starts chemo in 2 weeks docetaxel [taxotere].

These are current meds :

bicalutamide 50mg
dexamethasone 2mg four a day
fentanyl 1200mcg lozengers when requierd
oxycontin 160mg twice e day ( stronger than morphine)
ibuprofen 400mg
paracetamol 500mg four times a day
monthly hormone injection

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salvestrols
organic diet/teas/ veggie smoothies (yuck)
Greek doctor meds - about to stop
RSO oil ( on hold this week)
He also has sometimes hemp oil,and flaxseed oil and my sister in law is trying to find the right cheese that complements the flax seed oil ( something about ph)


Started RSO about 3 weeks ago, just had 1 week break as had to travel abroad. Now back on it - 3 doses a day/ 1 rice grain size.

Thinking about increasing salvestrols to 6 a day ( platinum strength).

Thinking about ACZ nano for detox - any views? what about raw cider vinegar with a little soda + raw honey for detox? Will this be okay alongside chemo + RSO? also would this be good to take :
http://organicindiau...rmeric-formula/

worried about overloading with too much and want to focus on the best combination.

thank you.

Edited by mca, 01 September 2012 - 06:57 AM.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 05:43 PM

hi MCA,

so sorry to hear about your brother and for the delay in responding... things have been very busy here with my mom's disease. i hate cancer!

i think many of the compounds you have are good. but one word of caution - if at all possible - wean your brother off painkillers and dexamethasone!!!! they help the spread of cancer.

here's a link for a site that has really helped my mom:

www.lifesavingfats.com
www.lifesavingfatsteam.com

brian peskin "the hidden story of cancer"

poly mva, artemisinin (artemix) are all nutraceuticals that mom has been using since my last update. i believe mom had the first signs of cachexia but budwig protocol really helped. it's so simple that you think, there's no way cottage cheese and flax seed oil would work but it does!! there's also a yahoo group for it too: http://health.groups...p/FlaxSeedOil2/

and of course cannabis!!! as much as bro can tolerate. get in as many forms as you can and the juices as well.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:11 AM

When I was going through Chemo and Radiation (and i know you asked about supplements but) for whatever reason when nothing else sounded good watermelon and pineapple always sounded good in fact I craved them. I don't know about the pineapple but I just looked up watermelon the other day becasue I was craving it again and brought one home. So I looked on the web to see what was healthy about it exactly, and there are high amounts of lycopene which help fight cancer. I know there are others but I just saw this post and thosed were the first two that came to mind. Cannabis of course, everyone turns to cannabis when it's life and death it seems like...it's how I got here too. The supplement's that helped me too even though I am a guy I tried prenatal vitamins at the advice of my wife because of the concentrated doses and the extra iron for my blood. I also used CoQ10 which seemed to help too. But the Cannabis works better than the $750 per pill anti-nausea medication I was initially given before I was "enlightened".

Hugs and I am praying for you and your mom Hug Smiley


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 01:13 AM

The newest supplement which has been used actually in Europe for years is serrapeptase inexpensive it is supposed to strip the cancer cell of its coating making it more vulnerable to attack by our immune system
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Posted 28 June 2014 - 08:51 PM

Sad to hear about your brother the protocol im thinking of would be Lupron a I month shot to test for allergic reaction and then a 3 month start taking the oil try to get up to 1 gram per day in amonth.serapeptase 3 per day and leaf juice.Talk to larry 902 .He reversed his stage 4 cancer with rso oil.God bless bob
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Posted 10 February 2015 - 08:44 PM

I recently came across the budwig cancer diet it is on healthwyze.com.She was a cancer researcher a holistic one her discoveries have been suppressed.She was big into flaxseeds both the oil and groundup seeds plus a very clean diet.What she didn't know is that flaxseeds are high in cbd ! check it out fellow travelers .Istill take a 1/2 to 3/4 gram per day of a high cbd oil .Iwill keep you posted .






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