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Humbolt's Gravity Paperwork Banning In Ca

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#1 Michoacan

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:22 PM

I've been using this stuff, but thought I'd get some of the tech heads to weigh in on this. It would seem to make all their products suspect if they are willing to mislead on one. This is an interesting read on Superbud, and other plant growth inhibitors. http://www.integralh...owerdragon.html
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:42 PM

these are common ornamental plant production chemicals. daminozide, paclobutural... when used right will shorten the internode length and promote flowers.... they are registered for use on use on ornamental plants like flowers, trees and shrubs too. they are not epa registered for use on consumable crops like vegetables, fruits. daminozide's epa approval on edibles was pulled in 1989 when it was shown to be a carcinogen when consumed in mass quantities. so it would be a violation of the law to sell you that product for your intended use. it will cost millions of dollars for a chemical company to label a growth regulator for consumption....it will never happen. long term studies of health effects..etc... its too small of a niche market to justify the expense. so .... unscrupulous businessmen use these chemicals to make their secret formulas and repackage them with vague instructions at outrageous prices............ and sell them until they get caught. so when using these things...... know that this is an off label use of chemical and there may be unknown consequences. use at your own risk. any lab test that detects any growth regulator, by law would have to say that its unhealthy because growth regulators are not labeled for consumption. fwiw
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 11:18 AM

Turf has it right, these growth regulators marketed by these companies for cannabis are for the non-consumable flower market, as mentioned one is a known carcinogen and the others have never been tested plus the mark up these people get is several hundred percent over the wholesale ag price, so not only are you buying potentially nasty products but your being royally screwed too. :mad:
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 01:14 PM

dimanizide, alar, b-nine..... all the same product

here is b-nine for retail sale. complete with instructions and safety info

http://www.greenhous...owth-regulators

thats enough to mix up about 20 gallons of medium strength solution.....by their product label (5000ppm)


gravity is an unknown, unlabeled strength.

but just for example say they are they are the same. then that bag would make 20 X 135 = $2700 worth of gravity

http://waytogrow.net...Gravity-gallon/

assuming:
gravity gallon - $135
and that the strength is 5000ppm
1 lb bnine = 20 gallons growth regulator
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 01:20 PM

dimanizide, alar, b-nine..... all the same product

here is b-nine for retail sale. complete with instructions and safety info

http://www.greenhous...owth-regulators


According to my calculator at a 1500 ppm's prepared dilution rate it cost 45 cents per liter and Gravity costs??????

It's the P. T. Barnum rule.....there's a sucker born every minute.
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 01:56 PM

haha... i mixed mine stronger! yours would make 50 gallons for a total of $6750
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 02:18 PM

Gravity uses propylene glycol as their growth regulator. I wouldn't be too scared of it. See: https://www.greenpas...post__p__434252
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 02:24 PM

Although I must add that even food-grade propylene glycol @ $30+ per gallon is a whole lot cheaper than Gravity. LOL
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 07:32 PM

Actually, Gravity contains paclobutrazol, according to CA, not alar or dimenazide Anyone know about the Humbolt company? Lots of growers are using this stuff, including me, and I was under the impression they were legit. Superbud, and some of the others, not so much, but they are all using growth inhibitors. http://www.integralh...werHardener.pdf
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 09:16 PM

paclobutrazol is sold under the trade name - bonzi

http://www.epestsolu...sfhu=626f6e7a69


paclobutrazol is only listed for ornamentals and will never be evaluated because there is no legal food use.


because the use rates of bonzi are crazy low...... that quart would supply all gp growers for a bit.

good stuff for pretty plants.....unknown health effects

use at your own risk!
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 10:10 PM

paclobutrazol is sold under the trade name - bonzi

http://www.epestsolu...sfhu=626f6e7a69


paclobutrazol is only listed for ornamentals and will never be evaluated because there is no legal food use.


because the use rates of bonzi are crazy low...... that quart would supply all gp growers for a bit.

good stuff for pretty plants.....unknown health effects

use at your own risk!


No cancer studies but there are toxicology studies, not to bad but there is a chance for liver problems with long term exposure, not good if someone had a compromised immune system but not a problem for a healthy person. Wouldn't want to ingest it though till it's been through a full human study for possible effects.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 01:24 AM

i played with bonzi a year ago....here is a thread i hijacked smileyheart.gif https://www.greenpas...post__p__269827
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 07:52 PM

i played with bonzi a year ago....here is a thread i hijacked Hug Smiley

https://www.greenpas...post__p__269827



What's would be the risk, at 1/4 t per gallon, twice, on plants that won't be smoked for another six weeks? Is that a concentration for much of anything to show up?
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 01:01 PM

here is a related article in today's news about fungicides in orange juice.

http://apnews.excite.../D9SLKVBO4.html

the fungicide in question is a Benomyl derivative. because of mounting legal cost...they company voluntarily stopped labeling it for the US in 2001.

from wiki
"In 1996 a Miami jury awarded US$4 million to a child whose mother was exposed in pregnancy to Benlate. The child was born without eyes. The mother had been exposed to an unusually high dose of Benlate through her occupation, during pregnancy.

So your question "whats the risk?"

no one knows. the epa and fda regulations are there to protect us. skirting them is illegal and dangerous.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 07:59 PM

Bushmaster and gravity has been declared safe by its maker ? There is a email spreading today that speaks of the competition making this whole legal issue become a reality when the products are safe and free of carcinogenic ... Not sure about this all but many retialers have been sent this note today and I have a friend who recieved one for her grow shop .. Anybody else here about this new line ?
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:50 PM

I poured my Gravity down the drain. I should know better, and would have never used it had it not been promoted as organic. A company deceitful enough to do that doesn't deserve my business or respect. I regret promoting Emerald Triangle products, Gravity, Snowstorm, and Purple Maxx, regardless of the results.
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 08:39 AM

AMEN..... awesome thread.....pinned
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:36 AM

Thanks for the heads up Michoacan! And thank you for all the information guys. This makes me want to go totally organic now. Time to make some tea for my ladies!
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 11:59 AM

Time to make some tea for my ladies!


There is no better way IMO :)
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 12:11 PM

Glad I never paid for there products , I did have them gifted to me but never botherd to use them luckly . I will make use of the gift and send it to the recycle ceneter for bad old chemical day ! As well I ll ask the Hydro shop owner if she can forward me the email today that circulated to buisness owners a few weeks ago in regards to this issue . PPS
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:55 PM

Thanks for the heads up Michoacan! And thank you for all the information guys. This makes me want to go totally organic now. Time to make some tea for my ladies!


You learn a lot of details along the way, but my first grow(First Grow Wisdom) was still one of my best. Only fancy stuff I used was Liquid Karma and Black Strap Molasses, guano's, and lime. Delicious tasting weed.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:22 AM

here is a pretty interesting link pointed out to me in chat. thanks yg!



http://www.integralh...owerdragon.html
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:25 AM

All the more reason for Magical Nutes, IMO.
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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:55 PM

its not that new that its a sketchy nutrient...read labels before use please people guitar.gif

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