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#1 MCOne

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 02:59 AM

Who doesn't want 30% more yield, organically

Science 25 March 1977:
Vol. 195 no. 4284 pp.1339-1341
Alfalfa meal and chloroform extracts of the meal have increased the growth and yield of several plant species. A crystalline substance isolated from the active fraction of alfalfa meal increased the dry weight and water uptake of rice seedlings when sprayed on the foliage or applied in nutrient culture. The substance was identified as triacontanol by mass spectrometry. Sprays containing this compound also increased the growth of corn, and barley grown in soil. Authentic triacontanol produced a similar response over a wide range of concentrations on rice grown in nutrient cultures and tomatoes grown in soil.



So lets get started, at day 4 of flower the plant has confirmed it is 'go time' and vigorous growth is beginning. Enter secret weapon #4, liquid Triacontanol from Happy Bacteria, TCN.

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Starting with zero ppm water and adding drops until we reach 2ppm.

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Wait until 45min after lights on, raise the 600w HID light and give them four spray applications until run off.

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This will be our 'before' picture, morning, day 4 of flower.

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Lets see what happens :laughleaf:

Here is a list of what I should expect:

  • Increase plant or crop yield.
  • Enhance photosynthesis and plant metabolism.
  • Induce the production of flower buds and flowering.
  • Allow the production of bigger leaves, and bigger root system.
  • Increase cell growth in roots, and used to produce thicker foliage and flowers.
  • Production of robust plants more resistant to disease and pathogens.
  • Increase basal branching of rosette plants, and allow more basal breaks.
  • Improve establishment and growth of young plants produced from cuttings, seed or plugs.
  • Used to help plants suffering nutrient and growth deficiencies.

rotflmaogif Peace!

Edited by MCOne, 08 January 2012 - 03:37 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:13 AM

Oh and just to get you folks excited about this test, let me tell you about the varieties growing. Steephill was nice enough to test their potency for us.

Colombian Gold 21.31% THC, Valley OG kush 25.48% THC, 1984 Clone only Cherry AK 47 (untested), and Fire OG 25.04% THC.

All four of the varieties are very medicinal and begin working with just one or two large inhales.

Here is the seeded, early harvest Fire OG I had tested in December, enjoy rotflmaogif
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 05:49 AM

Kewl. Glad you've found the triacontanol rotflmaogif Commonly used, Superthrive has triacontanol in it. Was found in 70's by Stanley K. Ries of Michigan State University. Dat's why I like to use alfalfa in compost teas in veg and early bloom. Works super good as a foliar, as I'm sure you already know MC. Sounds like some "fire" strains indeed. Can't wait to see how they turn out. I'm curious though MC, how are they organically deriving this chemical?

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 05:54 AM

Hehehehe :laughleaf: subscribed! rotflmaogif muA
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 10:12 AM

They are harvesting it as it occurs naturally. Not synthesizing it chemically, as I understand it. Maybe YGF will have further information.
You are correct the article from Science I posted the abstract to was penned by STANLEY K. RIES, VIOLET WERT, CHARLES C. SWEELEY and RICHARD A. LEAVITT.

Kewl. Glad you've found the triacontanol :) Commonly used, Superthrive has triacontanol in it. Was found in 70's by Stanley K. Ries of Michigan State University.

Dat's why I like to use alfalfa in compost teas in veg and early bloom. Works super good as a foliar, as I'm sure you already know MC.

Sounds like some "fire" strains indeed. Can't wait to see how they turn out.


I'm curious though MC, how are they organically deriving this chemical?


Edited by MCOne, 08 January 2012 - 10:22 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:32 AM

Oh man :) Updates cannot happen fast enuf. Michigan State has done some totally over the top research - AND - they did it some years ago, which was and in many circles is still considered ground breaking (is that a pun?). However, for whatever reasons, they just kinda did all of this way kewl stuff and then just walked away. Oregon next picked up the ball, they had a professor there who authored, a large number of books on beneficial bacteria *whatever that is* with a focus on mycorrhizae. Today, I think one of the brightest guys in the evolving science of 'beneficial bacteria' is Dr. Ane at the Univ of Wisconsin. Triacontanol is ubiquitous and a naturally occurring compound which works way, way well as a plant growth promoter - just ask anyone who's brewed up some alfalfa meal tea. As I understand it, the best is made from bees wax. When looking at Triacontanol, one must determine if it is organic or chemically synthesized. I prefer the organic, however the chemical does have it's place - which is in horticultural crops because you get the same effect, the cost is significantly less and no one or animal is consuming the food. <<As a side thought, lucky our biggest trading partner, the Chinese, would never use a chemical because it was cheap versus the organic, on foods they know are going to leave China>> Some states, like California, have totally banned chemically synthesized Triacontanol. Organic product is, as you would expect, more $$ than the stuff from chems. That's the rub. This journal is going to be epic, me thinks :) fith

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:37 AM

Can't wait to see these results!

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:45 PM

Well, lets see. 24 hours later we have preflowers at every node... Top and bottom... I usually see preflowers start at the top and work their way down, not appear everywhere. Difference #2 I am seeing is it has taken my internodal distance way down, but increased growth. I flipped and upper shin and now they are mid thigh... I need to get pictures of this, you guys are not gonna believe it. Heck even I didn't think it would change much... I dont think I will ever grow OG kush again (or any lanky plant that hates to branch) without using this Super-TCN from Happy Bacteria. Good thing I got a whole bottle of this stuff to test Hysterical :passit: Pictures soon rotflmaogif

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:26 PM

So cool to see you doing this test! Thanks for sharing MC1 >>>>>>>>>>PeAcE!
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:00 AM

Porn please rotflmaogif

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 07:49 PM

1) I read this thread. 2) I called the nursery and asked if they had alfalfa meal. Yep, they do. How much? $1.50 a lb. Awesome. 3) Going tomorrow to get a lb or two and then make a brew. Then spray some and use the rest as base for feeding. Thanks again MCOne for your awesome insight!
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 01:36 PM

Friday The 13th

6 days since application of Happy Bacteria Super TCN. Growth is continuing at a rapid rate.
I am attaching photos of the old node distance (basel break) for columbian gold and a photo of how close they are now.
Weekly photo update tomorrow.

Here they are at 4 days in, 5/8" internodes on top after application and 5" internodes down low before TCN
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Posted 15 January 2012 - 12:57 AM

1) I read this thread.

2) I called the nursery and asked if they had alfalfa meal. Yep, they do. How much? $1.50 a lb. Awesome.

3) Going tomorrow to get a lb or two and then make a brew. Then spray some and use the rest as base for feeding.


Thanks again MCOne for your awesome insight!


bigsmileythumbsup Those darn expensive organic supplies.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 12:59 PM

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:02 PM

They went from upper shin to just above my belt in 1 week and its not stretchy lanky growth like it was before application.
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Posted 15 January 2012 - 10:44 PM

Great looking growth MCOne. Healthy, happy, and well documented as usual. Anybody who uses Light Light knows how well triacontanol works, unfortunately the same company's wetting agent (Penetrator) has a nasty ingredient. Are you using a wetting agent when you spray MC, if so, which one?

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 11:15 PM

:) Those darn expensive organic supplies.



If there are any animal feed stores in your area you might try there, a 40 or 50 pound bag of alfalfa was like $12. In pellet or cube form, easily ground to consistency you desire. FYI man.



Yeah it's because I was asking per lb since I only wanted to mix a small brew for watering (I only water a couple gals atm). They have the big bags (40 lb I think) for $14, which isn't bad but I don't need that much. I appreciate the info though, always good looking out for cheaper prices.


Good looking pics MCOne!
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 06:09 PM

High, blessings Onius InI use Cocowet. Never found a product I like better, but I do not use the amount they suggest. I only use a few drops per gallon. That being said, when applying the TCN we want to start with 0ppm and end with 2ppm of only TCN. I was told not to add anything and to start with 0ppm water only. I staked them up a couple days ago, it has officially been 10 days so the growth spurt should be over, but what I am seeing they might still grow another inch or two. They are trying to outgrow the stakes. I would say I am seeing 20-30% more growth for sure. The node sites are nice and close and the rapid plant growth is really nice. Budset is setting in now so we will see where this takes us. Photos of the 'end' of the growth spurt tonight... They filled in the space like plants that had 40 days in the final pots instead of only 21. Have I mentioned it works well for stretchy varieties like OG? Wait till you see my Fire OG :D Never seen her bush like this.. Hug Smiley
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 02:23 PM

Day 14 after spraying and the growth spurt is slowing, vertical growth is grinding to a stand still and budset is stacking. Resin has started forming, its show time. I still haven't gotten the pics I want to of the Fire OG, but she is in the back of the space so I will pull her out at the next watering and really get down to brass tacks. Here is a canopy and vertical update, along with a picture to confirm budset. Attached File  tcn1day19seededxPcp.jpg   200.37KB   60 downloads Attached File  tcn1day19seededxPcp2.jpg   180KB   62 downloads Attached File  tcn1KaliOGday20xPcp.jpg   106.97KB   46 downloads

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:52 AM

Day 26 Removed one girl to make room for the unexpected growth of the others. Attached File  tcnday28-2.jpg   125.74KB   65 downloads Attached File  tcnday28.jpg   148.71KB   72 downloads
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 10:24 AM

Oh man, does that ever look nice.. Some gigantic sugar leafs there. fith

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:47 AM

WOW!!! I need to talk with you and YGF... I think you just showed me what I'm in need of knowing... I have been looking into this, along with a couple other ingredient's, in which are found in un-usual places for gardening, as additives I'm in need of, to get the outcome I'm seeking, and well finding this log has definitely told me I'm on the right path... Awesome looking Plants MC... Do me a giant favor... ...swing through my journal, lend me some of you and YGF's wisdom with these beautiful flowering plants... I know I will definitely be paying more attention to you and his grow's, alot more from now on. T.H.AaaAAAaaaaa.N.K.YOU!!!! Both, you and YGF, for your dedication and passion...

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:42 PM

Thanks Kae, I am also journaling the Kak's China Black Mix right now as well as TGA's Qush if you haven't seen those entries. Peace :)
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:40 PM

Thanks Kae, I am also journaling the Kak's China Black Mix right now as well as TGA's Qush if you haven't seen those entries. Peace :)


You just tell me where. :wise:
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 05:50 PM

I've updated the link in my signature to include links to all of my threads, just click that. These test girls are going nuts now that we are past 35 days they are really frosting up. A couple more days and they will all be together again, in the main space under the 1000w light.
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