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#1 Hangshai

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:09 PM

Ok, so, I decided to start my grow journal. Im going to try to keep it concise, so, im not going to go into too much detail unless someone asks a question, pretty much I just want to document everything and show y'all how I do things, and maybe something Im doing can help you, or someone will notice a better way that I can do what Im already doing. So, here goes... For this journal, Im beginning with cuttings I took out of my veg garden. Right now I have my main grow room that I use to use for both stages of growth as my flower room. I also have a 8 light 4 foot T5 fixture on a 6 foot light mover that I use for veg. There are a few other steps in between, so, I guess you'll see all of that as we go along. Today Im starting with clones. I took about 12 cuttings this morning out of my veg room. 5 were Strawberry Cough, and 7 were Purpleberry (GDP x Blueberry). S.C. is a Sativa Dom hybrid, and P.Berry is Indica Dom. Both are really great strains. The S.C. is a great yielder (the nug in my avatar is S.C.), and the P.Berry yields about an OZ. less per plant, but its SOOO GOOOD!!! Ok, here are the steps I go through. I begin with the cuttings, I take them right from the plant, strip off all the leaves but the ones on top, and put them directly in a cup of water, as quickly as possible. Ive found that I can keep them alive for up to 5 days without ANY neg effects in water. Obviously its best to get them right in the cloner though. Attached File  P1020522.JPG   52.91KB   14 downloadsAttached File  P1020523.JPG   31.07KB   14 downloads These are the supplies I use, grow plugs, clonex gel, a blade, and a bent paperclip to poke the plug before inserting the cutting. Oh, I also use scissors to trim the leaves if needed. Attached File  P1020524.JPG   45.07KB   18 downloadsAttached File  P1020532.JPG   39.95KB   24 downloads Then, I take the cutting, cut it at an angle, I also score the end of the cutting by cutting a slice right in the middle of the stem. I also shave of the top layer of 'skin' from the very bottom of the cutting. All of this creates more area where roots can grow from. The splitting and shaving might make the clones take a couple more days than usual to pop, but I always get a real healthy mass of roots, as youll see in a week or so. Attached File  P1020543.JPG   44.52KB   24 downloadsAttached File  P1020536.JPG   38.97KB   26 downloadsAttached File  P1020538.JPG   21.47KB   26 downloads Then, I place the cutting in the cloning gel and count to 5, and pop it in the plug. Attached File  P1020539.JPG   37.07KB   27 downloads after that, I place them in the tray and into the cloner, and I close it up and leave it on 18 on, 6 off. For the cloner, I use a box I fabricated with an 18 inch fluorescent light and a heating mat. I open the box up 1-4 times a day and remove the hood and spray plain water on the top of the hood, and lightly mist the clones. I do this daily. Be careful though, too much water can cause the cuttings to wilt. Attached File  P1020544.JPG   45.06KB   32 downloadsAttached File  P1020545.JPG   32.67KB   36 downloadsAttached File  P1020546.JPG   35.2KB   37 downloadsAttached File  P1020547.JPG   20.96KB   26 downloads Ok! SO that's my first post. Ill update in a few days to show you how the clones are doing, and when they pop roots, we'll transplant and move on to the veg room. Thanks for checking this out, and any comments or criticism is very much appreciated. Take it easy, everyone! -hang
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 02:19 PM

Mmmmmm strawberry cough. Love that strain, I'm gonna have to find a cutting around here and try it out myself. Nice little box there, looking good. Only thing I would suggest is somehow getting a humidity dome over those cuttings for the first few days - 1 week. You can always just cut clear water/soda bottles in half and stick them over the plants (make sure to poke a couple holes so there is some air circulation). Otherwise you will just have to spray them alot. Anyways, looking forward to grow! Good luck! GAAAAsmiley.gif
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Posted 11 July 2011 - 01:28 PM

Thanks for the kind words, and for checking out my thread everyone! Oh, and DieAbetic, I appreciate the advice. Actually, if you look at the second to last pic, I do have a dome on the tray. I guess I should have been a bit more clear when I mentioned spraying the hood. Right at the end I was talking about the dome on top of the tray, thats what I remove 1-4 times a day to spray down. I dont think I would be able to get them to root without it!!! At least in plugs. Ive used an aeroponic cloner, and they're pretty easy once you get them going, kind of a set it and forget it thing, but, I still have more success personally with the good old fashioned tray and dome. Thanks again everyone, more pics in a couple days...
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 06:52 AM

Very nice start Hang! Will pull up the rocker.... Blessings and looking forward to the porn!~ Pete
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:47 PM

Thanks pete!!! Ok, 3 days in, babies are doin fine. I should probably see roots in a week, sometimes they pop sooner. But mostly, it takes me about 10 days. I usually have a pretty good success rate, you know, barring some sort of catastrophe that ends up wiping em out, like a heat wave or something stupid like that. They're doin alright for right now, tho. Attached File  P1020555.JPG   89.35KB   8 downloads
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 11:52 AM

8 days later... Attached File  P1020556.JPG   20.31KB   20 downloadsAttached File  P1020557.JPG   21.28KB   17 downloads Attached File  P1020559.JPG   21.45KB   7 downloadsAttached File  P1020560.JPG   23.81KB   5 downloads From here I will keep them in there 3-4 more days to really let the roots get established, then I move them on over to the veg room. See y'all in a few days!!
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 10:34 AM

Ok, i could have done this on thurs or fri, but I lagged. Busy weekend. So, the roots are now nice and thick (on most of the clones, I would have left one or two of them in the box, but I wanted to move them all to the next stage). So, pretty simple, I just take the clones over to my veg room, and pop them in plastic cups. I used clear ones this time so we can watch the roots develop. I use FFOF soil, and water only for the first few weeks. The FFOF has enough in it to feed the clones well enough. By the time I get them in 1 gallon pots, Im starting to feed them, but thats in a week or two. Now is when it starts to get fun!! They start to really explode after the roots set. Ive noticed at every stage of transplant, there is a 3 day to 1 week period where there is no growth on the plant. Im not sure, but Im assuming its the roots getting use to the pot its in, then when they're established, the rest of the plant takes off. (sorry if this is all basic info, im just trying to share what I know) So here are the roots, and how far along they came: Attached File  P1020577.JPG   72.09KB   9 downloadsAttached File  P1020578.JPG   84.25KB   10 downloads Attached File  P1020579.JPG   99.3KB   9 downloadsAttached File  P1020580.JPG   112.3KB   11 downloads Heres the cups I used, I usually use a drill to poke holes in the cups, usually 3, and with the drill I can do them all at once, or about 4-5 cups at a time, and it doesnt totally destroy the cups or anything. Attached File  P1020581.JPG   45.74KB   15 downloads And here they are in my veg room, I have a little side area set up next to the MAIN veg area for the starts. Ive noticed that cannabis is a very hardy plant. It can take ALOT, as long as you make sure to compensate for the added stressful conditions (more water for hot days, etc). Im pretty rough with my plants, but Ive noticed that they can take it. Youll see. Anyway, heres the last pics. Any questions Ill be happy to answer, but this part is still pretty easy. I may just water once a day or so, and wait until I see the roots in a nice developed mass. Attached File  P1020582.JPG   59.12KB   16 downloadsAttached File  P1020583.JPG   45.97KB   20 downloads Attached File  P1020584.JPG   80.26KB   23 downloadsAttached File  P1020585.JPG   74.15KB   19 downloads Ok, so, thats it for that... Ill be back in a few days to update. Im stoked someone is watching this grow, thanks everyone thats checking this thread out, and Ill post more later! Hang
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 11:23 PM

after reading my last post I just wanted to add something. the part where I said - " Im pretty rough with my plants, but Ive noticed that they can take it." ...almost sounds like I am being intentionally hard on my plants, which is not the case at all. Im kinda at the mercy of the elements with my grow room, so when its really hot (90+) my room gets really warm, and also it can get pretty chilly too (but usually the lights make up for it). Anyway, just thought Id throw that out there...
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:13 PM

DUDE! I just borked my post, so, Im having to rewrite this. LOL, ok, lets do this one more time... First of all, sorry for the big break between updates. I meant to get it in sooner, like sunday, but, I just kept putting it off until I finally made the time to do it this morning. So, everything is going smoothly. I really dont know what else to do besides just show pictures of the progress and that sounds a little boring, so, ill tell you a little about my process and stuff. So, back to the clones... They are in FFOF soil, and ive only been giving them PHed water (6.3-5), daily because its been so hot. Oh, and the lights are on 18/6. Here are the clones; Attached File  P1020587.JPG   43KB   8 downloadsAttached File  P1020586.JPG   90.21KB   9 downloads It may not look like much, but, lets take a closer look at each strain and the see how the roots have developed as well. First the Purpleberry (GDPxBlueberry); Attached File  P1020594.JPG   53.18KB   11 downloadsAttached File  P1020589.JPG   63.67KB   11 downloads and the roots; Attached File  P1020588.JPG   61.33KB   12 downloads Here's the Strawberry cough; Attached File  P1020595.JPG   56.09KB   12 downloadsAttached File  P1020591.JPG   56.44KB   12 downloads Here they are in comparison to each other; Attached File  P1020590.JPG   59.83KB   8 downloads So, all in all, I think they are doing great. Im going to let them go a little longer before I move them to the next step. This time, for the journal, Im actually going to be doing things a little different. I have my garden set up in 2 rooms. So, right now we are only in the veg room. I meant to start breaking my harvests in two parts by staggering half the flower room by a month, but, I just didnt have the money to get things started properly this last go around, so, this time Im just doing a full room, which is what these plants are going towards. I have a plant-limit exemption from my doctor, so, right now I have some in veg, and some in flower. The plant exemption thing is interesting too, because in a straight legal sense, the actual limits in California are unconstitutional since they were imposed by the legislative body and not by a vote, and you cant amend a resolution thats been ratified by a vote solely with the actions of a legislative body. Any amendments have to be voted on. (God bless California and the Ballot initiative!) So, technically, no limits. BUT, just to be on the safe side, its better to have a Dr. set a limit for you, and then stick by it, which is what i ALWAYS do, of course. That being said, I ran into a little problem, and I wanted to share. Maybe someone who is watching the thread can give me more insight. So, every so often when I clone, I end up misting a little too much, and some times it will actually damage one of the clones. Most of the time the main top shoot wilts and then Im stuck with a little stunted clone with only 2 leaves; Attached File  P1020593.JPG   53.39KB   10 downloadsAttached File  P1020592.JPG   107.47KB   20 downloads sad clone is sad. Anyway, it has some roots, just like the rest of them, but, there is no new growth on top. Ive usually ditched clones like this in t he past, as they take FOREVER to recover, and never seem to quite catch up. Ill probably ditch this on eif it doesnt start sprouting some leaves soon. Also, here is the second part of my veg room, as you can see, I already have the rest of my rooms plants ready to go, and that they may take a little longer under T5s, but they still grow nice and full; Attached File  P1020596.JPG   114.86KB   31 downloadsAttached File  P1020597.JPG   86.76KB   31 downloads Attached File  P1020598.JPG   67.07KB   31 downloadsAttached File  P1020599.JPG   49.79KB   22 downloads Ok, so thats it for now. Update in 7 days, give or take. Thanks for tuning in...
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 02:02 PM

You missed taking pictures of getting the cuts off the mother now its not a full journal AWWWW!!!! Hahaha, but everything is looking nice and bushy under that T5
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 04:25 PM

Thanks for the kind words, and for checking out my thread everyone!

Oh, and DieAbetic, I appreciate the advice. Actually, if you look at the second to last pic, I do have a dome on the tray. I guess I should have been a bit more clear when I mentioned spraying the hood. Right at the end I was talking about the dome on top of the tray, thats what I remove 1-4 times a day to spray down. I dont think I would be able to get them to root without it!!! At least in plugs. Ive used an aeroponic cloner, and they're pretty easy once you get them going, kind of a set it and forget it thing, but, I still have more success personally with the good old fashioned tray and dome.

Thanks again everyone, more pics in a couple days...


Haven't checked in for awhile. I was obviously a bit blazed the last time since I didn't even see the dome in there..... or read carefully into the post. My bad lol.

Plants are looking great! I like the comparison and showing the roots too. Good stuff, keep it up!

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 02:05 PM

Ok... Man....


Someone pulled a gun on me in my neighborhood. It was 1 am, last friday. I was walking to the store alone (in flip-flops with a glass of Kool-aid in my hand), and some punk kids pulled a gun on me and tried to rob me. As far as I could tell it was a Derringer, something like this:

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Not too scary. Anyway, they didnt get anything off me, a neighbor turned on a porch light and spooked em, I guess, and they ran off. So now the local thugs want to get me bcs I called the cops. I probably shouldnt have, but, hey, Im not in a gang, and the cops are supposed to be there for stuff like this(yeah, right). So, the guy that actually pulled the gun on me is still at large in my neighborhood, and he has threatened to shoot me now. Kind of ridiculous, but, whatever. Seriously, at this point in my life, nothing surprises me anymore, not even this.

Oh, and I also had to harvest my indoor, so, you know, busy busy busy...

But, I have been taking pics and keeping track as Ive been going, so I do have an update today!!!

So, back to the plants:

Last time I was vegging the whole lot (still am), and I had thrown in a couple babies to fill out the room. In this update, Im going to transplant the babies into 1 gallon pots and move them into the 'main room' (the main room will be in the next update).

So, here are the plants, and their roots, the first pics being the purple berry and strawberry cough, respectively, then a pic of the roots:
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I let the plants go an extra week under the little light, so the roots are really packed in there(I was harvesting, I had to let em go). They still look great, though. So, after removing the plant:
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I top them and place them in a one gallon pot, with FFOF soil. I mentioned before that I used a different soil when I went to the 3 gallon pots, but, I am amending that and sticking with FFOF. Its just the best Ive used, hands down. Ready to go out of the bag, and has the right amount of perlite for me.. anyhow...
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Voila! Rinse and repeat for the rest. I use plain phed water and drench the soil until its draining. By the way, this WHOLE time I have only been using plain water to feed. The FFOF has enough nutes for babies. You can tell the plants are turning a little yellow, thats from the nutes being almost depleted, but, when I transplant and just use plain water, they green up again within a day or two. Also, if the soil sinks into the pot after the first watering, Ill add a little extra to fill the holes. After all is said and done, I move the plants into the main room under the HPS lights.

Thats in the next post... See you in a few days...

Edited by Hangshai, 02 September 2011 - 07:04 PM.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 05:44 AM

Thank's and safe . +2 on root's don't like light or air . Cool how you can see through progress tho . I'm liking root trainers , air pruning , a suspended opening system where there's a hole at bottom . Roots are directed down to the hole and stop growing when they reach air encouraging new root's to grow . Nice grow , success wishes sent you'r way .
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 06:44 AM

Glad you are well Hang
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 06:51 AM

Great looking garden Hang.. WTG !... wishing you the best on a great finish! Will be checking back in for sure!
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Posted 10 September 2011 - 12:15 PM

Hey everyone... Ok, so when I last updated, I had just moved my newest babies in to the main garden with the rest of the plants that I had going already. Here are some shots... Attached File  P1020727.JPG   108.2KB   18 downloadsAttached File  P1020728.JPG   109.81KB   26 downloadsAttached File  P1020715.JPG   135.84KB   31 downloads Now, when i transferred them over, I transplanted a few from the one gallon pots into the threes. I am still using FFOF, so Ive been mainly giving them just plain phed water. After maybe 2 or 3 days in, I gave them all a good dose of fertilizer. For my recipe I use the House and Garden line, all the products. In veg that is the Base nute, Roots Excelurator, Drip Clean, Algen extract, and the magic green for foliar. I also add Greenfuse for Veg, Carbo Load, Cal-Mag, and Grotek Silica. I follow the feed schedule that H&G gives for their product. Everything that I add, I usually do at full strength, or maybe half-strength and then build it up to full. So, I made a reg mix of fertilizer, and gave them that one feeding, then went back to plain water. Its been about a week or so. Now, the problem is, Ive been noticing some of the plants have some weird looking new growth. I cant figure out if they got burned by the nutes, or if the lights were too close. I have the lights (1000 hps) at least 36 inches away. The weird thing is, it isnt ALL the plants that are doing it. the babies I had are doing just fine, still in 1 gallon pots. I even gave them a dose of half-strength nutes when I first got them in there. Room temps fluctuate between 81 degrees F and 71 in the wee hours of teh morning. usually it is at 78 for most of the time, though. I would say the first couple hours when the lights come on its around 81-82, then it stays at about 78 til early in the morning where it dips until the sun comes up. Then it slowly rises to 78-80. Humidity swings between 35-40%. Ive noticed that I just need to water a bit more, and the plants dont seem to mind it. I would prefer the humidity at 50% for veg, but, I cant figure out how to add humidity. Ive tried the wet towels, leaving a bucket of water around, and neither of those worked. The only thing that raises it for a short time is if i foliar with plain water as SOON as the lights come on. The plants dont get burned, and the humidity goes up for a little while. Ive thought maybe it was because of all the fans, but, I need them to keep it cool and circulate air, right? Im stumped on this one... So, is it the temps? The nutes? If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. I have been giving them plain water hoping to flush them out if I over fed, and I noticed it helped a little. Now, should I keep usuing plain water until they look normal again, or should I start with a half-dose of nutes? Here are the plants in question... Attached File  P1020717.JPG   88.71KB   29 downloadsAttached File  P1020720.JPG   53.84KB   27 downloads Attached File  P1020724.JPG   133.01KB   27 downloadsAttached File  P1020725.JPG   64.37KB   21 downloads Attached File  P1020726.JPG   77.18KB   19 downloads Oh, and the little ones are doing fine, like I said, here they are: Attached File  P1020722.JPG   106.23KB   19 downloads Purple Berry Attached File  P1020723.JPG   112.5KB   19 downloads Strawberry cough So, Im a little apprehensive on making my next move. I feel like if I keep giving them just water, they will start getting deficient in nutes. So, maybe start at half-strength? The thing is, I dont have this problem when i start off all the plants at the same time, its usually when i have to stagger the plants, for whatever reason (not able to get enough clones, etc etc), I usually run into this same problem. Im planning on keeping them in veg until it sorts itself out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for checking out my thread, and have a great weekend, everyone!
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Posted 11 September 2011 - 02:13 AM

Just a quick update... i fed today, ppm was at @ 550-560. The water is pretty clean out of the tap, usually at 35-80 ppm. I used the House and Garden veg recipe (base, roots exculartor, drip clean, and algen extract), plus greenfuse, cal-mag, carbo load, and the silica. I fed the plants in 2 and 3 gallon pots. I watered the babies (the purpleberry and strawberry cough in 1 gallon pots) with plain water, and then gave them each a small splash of the nutes. So, I guess we'll see what happens. Im planning on watering with plain water for at least the next two feedings, and not using anything for foliar, except maybe plain water if I feel like they need it. Basically, I just kinda go with my gut, and try to see what the plants are telling me. Right now it feels like I may have overfed, but I gave them enough water to flush them out a little, and now the low dose of nutes will help them get back on track. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. Ill try to update in a couple days if and when I see some results.
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 01:56 AM

I agree with you 100%. Too much nutes when I first put them in the room. The transplanting into the fresh FFOF soil meant I should've just used plain water for the first week at least, but I decided to give them a nute feeding because I felt as if i had neglected them a little before I moved them into the main room. But, yeah, I think you are on to something. Ive given them plain phed water since, feeding a half dose 2 days ago, and then Im going to use plain water for at least the next two feedings. Usually I water so there is at least 25% run-off. They look a little better today. Some of the curl is still there, but they have some new growth, and the plants are looking less stressed in general. I guess it iwll take a few weeks to bounce back (hopefully). Im vegging for another 14 days at least, so, we'll see what happens. Thanks, Teddy(ted-head? lol). Hang.
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 09:03 PM

Ok. Im a bit frustrated, really. I keep having this same problem in my grow room. For my first 5 or so grows, I was very pleased with the results each time, then, because of circumstances, I was forced to change a few things (my grow partner parted ways, and I went from an 8 light room to 4 lights. That changed the dynamics of my room drastically). So, for the last 2-3 grows, Ive had nothing but headache. I feel as if Ive reached sort of a sophmore slump. I can understand why some people feel like just hanging it up and calling it a day. Im at my wits end. It seems like nothing I did that worked before is working now. Its frustrating as all hell. So, my plants are still exhibiting signs of stress. Growth has all but stopped. The yellowing is spreading a little, and it almost looks as if the lights are washing out the plants, but I have them @ 4 feet away. They were moved from T5s to 1000W HPS, so, the jump in intensity may have been something to do with it. I think the real culprit is the soil. Ive heard of FFOF being hot, and causing burn in plants transplanted into it, but, I never really experienced it to myself. Maybe I got an extra hot batch of soil this time, or these strains are sensitive to it or something. Regardless, I feel as if my plants are severely stressed,a nd I almost feel like ripping em out ans starting over. Im going to flush again with phed water tonite, until the runoff is low, like 200 ppm. Then, Im just going to give em water till they perk up. Hopefully that works. I dont want to keep reburning them. ALso, mu humidity is always at around 35-40%. Lights on or off. Temps hover between 80-75 F. Ive had no problems at those numbers before, but I feel as if maybe its too dry? Did i mention Im frustrated as all hell? If anyone has any advice, Id appreciate it. Id hate to start over, but, considering how long these plants have been in veg, I should be going into flower by now. At least with the plants I had going before I made the newest clones. Ill post pics later, just needed to vent a little.
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 09:16 PM

Brother I feel for you severley .. Sounds like you for surely have been hit by the Fox Farms Ocean Forest Bug .. Thats some seriously bad news anymore to be honest .. They have no Qc in essence and have rumors spreading that its being made in the east coast now for distribution by who knows who ??? Not sure on that one but I will tell you this my friend .. You are serverly locking out in the low range due to there added oyster shell .. Its not all that for a buffer. Its sad when they dont add enough all to often and then they add who knows what in the mix and the acids begin to downward spiral into your rhizome .. Bad news my friend but you may be making things worse by flushing that soil .. Its easy to do .. It simply makes the ph lower as the oyster shell they use for Ph control is flushed out entirely ,, I hope you have acess to lime .. Its possible to get them back on track even using ph up during your flush .. It would be best to test the run off to get an idea of your ph .. I feel you are down low in the 5s my friend and that will lock Nitrogen right out and then Cal and mag comes next from my experiences .. I have seen this to many times on the net and have had many customers in the Hydro store with the same issues your having .. They all stopped using the FFOF and have thanked me numerous times .. lol I just hope they spread the word .. As I have tested numerous bags from numerous lots to acumulate an average ph of 5.8-6.2 with a batch that was almost sold being the lowest at 5.0 .. It was a very old bag that had broken down .. Lets see if we can get this grow turned around for the best and back on track ..

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 09:02 PM

Ok I have had time to look over your posted photos and have no doubt as to the FFOF being your problem right from the get go after rooting .. Standing by lol ...........
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 09:43 PM

I had a feeling it wasnt nute burn. Besides the fact that the tips werent yellow, it looked more like yellowing from nute DEFICIENCY. So, I actually DO have some Hydrated lime. I bought a bag months ago and never used it. Ive been testing the runoff for ppm, but not ph. Ill do that tonite. What do you suggest? Top dress with the lime? Thanks for checking it out, by the way.. Here are some more pics... Attached File  P1020729.JPG   108.99KB   15 downloadsAttached File  P1020730.JPG   125.16KB   20 downloadsAttached File  P1020731.JPG   71.99KB   15 downloadsAttached File  P1020732.JPG   50.47KB   14 downloadsAttached File  P1020734.JPG   43.31KB   13 downloadsAttached File  P1020735.JPG   50KB   17 downloadsAttached File  P1020740.JPG   90KB   19 downloadsAttached File  P1020741.JPG   58.78KB   19 downloadsAttached File  P1020747.JPG   54.43KB   11 downloads Oh, and I also just went in my room and used my cheap little soil ph tester, its one of those perry-morse seed company deals you get for 5 bucks at any hardware store/nursery. Anyway, i dont know how reliable that thing is, but, its reading between 6-7 ph when i put the probes in the soil. Another thing Iwas thinking, am I going to have to repot these plants maybe, in different soil? Can i save them in the pots they are in, or should i just scrap em and start over? edit:spelling

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 09:59 PM

I had a feeling it wasnt nute burn. Besides the fact that the tips werent yellow, it looked more like yellowing from nute DEFICIENCY. So, I actually DO have some Hydrated lime. I bought a bag months ago and never used it. Ive been testing the runoff for ppm, but not ph. Ill do that tonite. What do you suggest? Top dress with the lime? Thanks for checking it out, by the way.. Here are some more pics...

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Nute Burn is nothing like what your seeing there .. Notice the tops being lighter in color as well as the midway point of the plants .. They are not able to pick up the Nitrogen as well as the Cal and mag with the Ph you are at .. The leaf curling down is also showing unhappy roots ..

Once we get a run off test for Ph , well have an idea of your ffof soil range ...

Hydrated Lime can be to much if overused .. First again we need a ph reading of the soil and rootball .. Putting it on top is not always good with Hydrated .. Dolomite works better there .. Hydrated is best mixed with water and then applied ..

I usually adjust the ratio of lime according to the soil Ph I am adjusting when using Hydrated lime .. The ratio mixed with water varies with the soils ph and adjustment need . I usually use a 1/4 cup for a 5 galon bucket when adjusting the first time .. Dont want to jump to high at once ..

In the end youll need to get that Ph up to 6.5-6.8 being mineral soil I prefer to keep this range and then adjust according to the strains ..



Other than the issue of FFOF it looks like your doing good my friend ..

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 10:41 PM

Cheap soil Ph meters rarely ever work . Thats like winning the scratch lottery ticket odds heheh .. The cheapest Ph soil meter I recommend is the Wizzard 12" soil Probe meter .. These actually work .. Dont bother with the department store digital ones as well they too are worthless for the most part .. They have a super hard to read sweet spot .. I dont think that you have to trash them .. Might be beneficial to revive and relieve them of this stress being so far along .. I think once you get them back on track you might be suprised at what they can do .. Poting up is a good idea for sure after you adjust the ph .. You really need to see your roots and inspect .. Ill be back to check up on you later .. Stay positive and this will be a learning curve of the past hehehhe .. ..PS I edited my posting above and gave a general ratio to use the Hydrated Lime .. As well as a little more care info ,,, Peace my friend

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 10:54 PM

Ok, so, I was talking to a friend today and they mentioned Root Aphids. Well, if you dont know what those are, be thankful. Apparently the plants look deficient when you have these little barstewards, but nothing you do will fix it, because its NOT a deficiency. So, I may have a tough fight on my hands in the days ahead. I just hope they havent infected my room as well. Time to do research on them... If anyone has any ideas, links or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
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