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#1 RobinSpeaks

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 10:07 PM

After researching the use of marijuana as a medicine (for use in treating epilepsy) since 1997, and then using out of necessity (all of my meds stopped working, I have finally put up my own blog, "Medical Marijuana is not recreational ". It is primarily for epilepsy, and for granny/grandpa Marijuana is a Folk Medicine users.

I got some nasty "You don't know what you are talking about - I use it to get high that is medical!! - the better the high the better the medical. CBD is to give you a good narcotic body stone and nothing else" complaints.

Medical marijuana is not yet available to me - it is not yet legal. Where I had lived where I was using Marijuana as a medication it was and it is still not yet legal as medicine. The police there (I was in IA) have a practical sense of things. I and a lot of people in the small town in IA use marijuana as a medication. It is an accepted Folk medicine by most ppl. There are a lot of people above age 50. Ma and Pa kettle use it for pain, and just about everything else. The police know who is doing what and why. The leave people alone (unless you break another law, or make an ass out of yourself). If you use it in your own home, and you are not a problem to others, then they don't bother you. About 1/2 of the people on my block smoked weed, mostly recreationally. It was not hard to find weed. (Plentifull)!
I started using it because it stopped all of my seizures. After several years, I was finally able to get Rx drugs that work. Now I no longer need it (for lack on anything else). When it becomes legal I hope to be a med Rx pharmacy grower I will sell only medical High CBD and low THC medicine, and will grow it clean green only. I hope that the large potential market of people 50 and over who want it as a medication without the buzz will begin a new and healthy trend. I have run in to a strange attitude in some places. You are supposed to be for Rx only or weed only medicine. If you are willing to use both you are strange or something. In epilepsy marijuana and Rx drugs work very well together. If I ever start to use it again it might be because Rx drugs are expensive, and have a lot of nasty side effects. I would likely cut my dose but still keep the Rx meds. I think that the DEA will choke itself (politcally) with the current policy. The largest demographic for increased use is in people using marijuana is people age 50 and up. Pulling people out of nursing homes without their cane is not a good idea. In IA the police don't mess with anyone. The feds, on other hand do. Every Jan they have "Sweep Month". The feds swoop down in force, and arrest everything in sight (including kids for under age tobacco). Since marijuana is used by so many people - medically and recreational use, they are not the most popular people.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 04:26 AM

hi robin...i had a quick read through your blog there and way to go!!!....you make some very pertininent points......after all the years of breeders breeding out CBD in favour of high THC strains i often wonder what the strains of yesteryear were like...my dad uses oil for cancer and he hates the high....a lower THC strain would be great for him.....but very difficult to find nowadays.....seems to me since prohibition forced MMJ underground and it took on a seedy recreational look its actually had the effect of ruining the medicine in more ways than one!!! fantastic post robin....and food for thought!!!
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 09:44 AM

Um, sorry, maybe I'm just have one of those mornings, but I don’t party and I’m not “sick”. Furthermore, I feel like your spreading disinformation in that some of what you speak of can be applied to many other plants that we as humans consume, which are highly desired, and are legal. In addition, you seem to be implying that you want the governments to “draw” a line between medical and recreational users (which they have). Therefore, I would still be living in fear of my government, in which contradicts the Jefferson quote. As far as I’m concerned, marijuana does not have side effects, it has the desired effect for my spirit and my human flesh. “Human knowledge is conditioned by the power of the human mind and by the extent of the sphere in which objects evoke human sensations. Perhaps there are in the universe things that our senses cannot perceive and relations that our minds cannot comprehend. There may also exist outside of the orbit we call the universe other systems of things about which we cannot learn anything because, for the time being, no traces of their existence penetrate into our sphere in a way that can modify our sensations.” – “THEORY AND HISTORY”, LUDWIG VON MlSES

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 09:51 AM

Um, sorry, maybe I'm just have one of those mornings, but I don’t party and I’m not “sick”. Furthermore, I feel like your spreading disinformation in that some of what you speak of can be applied to many other plants that we as humans consume, which are highly desired, and are legal. In addition, you seem to be implying that you want the governments to “draw” a line between medical and recreational users (which they have). Therefore, I would still be living in fear of my government, in which contradicts the Jefferson quote. As far as I’m concerned, marijuana does not have side effects, it has the desired effect for my spirit and my human flesh.


“Human knowledge is conditioned by the power of
the human mind and by the extent of the sphere in
which objects evoke human sensations. Perhaps there
are in the universe things that our senses cannot perceive
and relations that our minds cannot comprehend.
There may also exist outside of the orbit we call the
universe other systems of things about which we cannot
learn anything because, for the time being, no traces
of their existence penetrate into our sphere in a way
that can modify our sensations.” – “THEORY AND HISTORY”, LUDWIG VON MlSES



I agree heartedly. And medical users must not forget that when there are elections, when there is a rally, when there is a meeting that decides on issues regarding MJ and MMJ, "stoners" are always backing up the medical community. But it seems some of the medical community have begun to look down on recreational users as if we were plague?

Why am I allowed to be a drunk but I am not permitted by law to have a smoke?

We are all in the same boat. Never take the "stoner" backup on the medicinal community for granted.
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 12:42 PM

i agree that my personal use i now consider medicinal but thats not how i became a proud stoner its only because i am more educated on the subject how to 'use' the medicine... but in my country i havent got the choice anyway...i haven't even the freedom to make the choice because the legal system here feels that i dont have that right....so in the eyes of the law i am a recreational user, and a criminal. i dont think that there should be any difference between recreation/medicinal...its my choice to use is, and who the hell is the government to tell me that drinking a glass of wine/taking paracetamol is morally ok...and smoking a joint or eating a muffin is not. my elections are coming up...and i will be quizing each and every one who knocks on my door... i am a proud stoner..
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 12:58 PM

Um, sorry, maybe I'm just have one of those mornings, but I don’t party and I’m not “sick”. Furthermore, I feel like your spreading disinformation in that some of what you speak of can be applied to many other plants that we as humans consume, which are highly desired, and are legal. In addition, you seem to be implying that you want the governments to “draw” a line between medical and recreational users (which they have). Therefore, I would still be living in fear of my government, in which contradicts the Jefferson quote. As far as I’m concerned, marijuana does not have side effects, it has the desired effect for my spirit and my human flesh.


“Human knowledge is conditioned by the power of
the human mind and by the extent of the sphere in
which objects evoke human sensations. Perhaps there
are in the universe things that our senses cannot perceive
and relations that our minds cannot comprehend.
There may also exist outside of the orbit we call the
universe other systems of things about which we cannot
learn anything because, for the time being, no traces
of their existence penetrate into our sphere in a way
that can modify our sensations.” – “THEORY AND HISTORY”, LUDWIG VON MlSES

i agree wholeheartedly too....but like lyds says...over here in the UK there is no medical...only recreational....i feel that the more the public here know and learn about MJ's therapeutic effects...be it cancer...depression...whatever...the more likely they are to accept MJ for everyone....the medical side is only a means to an end.....i've been a recreational smoker all my life...i don't use it for medical reasons for myself...only for my dad...but i can see the medical side as a tool to help ignorant and ill informed people understand how harmless and benign our wonderful cannabis can be!!
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 01:16 PM

For me the line between medicinal and recreational are a bit faded... I started using Marijuana as recreational at first but then noticed the effects it had on my mental and emotional state. It wasn't long after I started smoking that I realized It calms me down and helps me focus and it also relaxes me and eases anxiety. The fact that it relives the pain of my migraines is an added bonus. But I can't lie, I enjoy growing and smoking fine herb for its Connoisseur Qualities and I Just Like To Get Stoned. If the medical community is going to start shunning people who enjoy fine herb for the sheer pleasure of the smoking experience then they will lose a large majority of their support and a house divided will not prevail... It urkes the crap out of me to see stoners always portrayed as burnt out potheads and mindless dumbasses because that does not reflect reality for the majority of us. I say that they better watch how far they stick their noses in the air... A bird might come by and poop in their nostrils... :)
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 01:48 PM

I thin you are missing some points Robin. Please do not mis interpret this. My mother has had cancer twice and I understand pain and illness. So was the case of my grandparent. I wish MMJ wo be freely available to everyone that so needs it.

With that said, I am a proud stoner.

You present a lot of "facts". Due to the legal restrictions that occur almost worldwide, MJ research is limited, and is a far cry from being a mature area of research. And this is, in great part, limited by our own governments. They are not interested in having the truth out there. Companies make more money from extremely overpriced chemo treatments and medications (Avastin prices, anyone?) and they would make very little if the plant had a "seal of approval" and it was to be freely cultivated by those in need. That being the case, a LOT of research is required to deem what components are actually needed for healing purposes.

Basic knowledge permits us to know that CBD's are responsible for the "physical" high, whereas THC is related to a "mental" high. However, such a rudimentary phenomenological classification does not shed information on the actual metabolic pathways of each compound and it's interaction with their receptors; it does not help in understanding how it is that each and every compound present in a bud allows a patient to heal. No disease is the same, and where one compound (CBD or THC, pick whichever) might prove of immense help in the treatment of one disease, it may not be as effective in the other (Cancer, MS, Glaucoma just to cite some examples).

Without further research, what I have read in your blog is based on "pure talk". Have you considered that the big picture is not as simple as saying CBD's are good and THC is only for stoners? Could you please tell me of leading edge research that discards the possibility of a synergy between THC and CBD, both present in a bud, as healing agents? And what happens to the myriad of other cannabinoids present in a bud?? What makes you think that they do not work together?

I understand your point that people looking for relief sometimes hate feeling high. It is a valid point and I wished that such medicine was available to them, as long as all the medicinal effects of both the present THC and CBD's were to be present in such a formulation. Heck man, my mom sure would have wanted to receive medications that didn't make her loose her hair, loose her weight & appetite. She was a wreck after having fought cancer. Twice. And you know? There is no such formulation, in the case of chemo. And thanks to the fact that sometimes, chemo works, she got to live. And she is happy of being alive. She lost her hair, yes. But she is alive. If it were to be a stone-written, 100% prove fact that MJ cures cancer, do you think a patient facing death would care about being high as long as it means being able to live? Being high is a much better option than the side effects of chemo, if you ask me. I have seen it in my family.

Another thing that caught my attention. Why do you propose that medical Marijuana, (or non medical by transition) can not be grown by regular people, but rather that it has to be grown by specialists under laboratory-like conditions? Are you really afraid, as you posted, that a bird might poo in your buds? Or that mites will lessen the medicinal properties of your final product? (I'm not making this up, it is so written in your blog). I think this is a very narrow way to look at things, with no offence meant. Birds have pooed all through history. Spider mites have also existed for way longer than humans have roamed the earth. Heavy metal poisoning from soils is a possibility, but so is the tomato, the cucumber and the lettuce you consume on a daily basis. By following your logic, the only way we can prevent such toxicity or contamination would be not to consume any of those products altogether, or have them all grown in laboratory-like, controlled environments. That is simply, not possible.

And please, understand we are on the same boat. But you can not pass such information as true & tested, because it isn't so. If one day, all independently funded & leading research proves that THC is evil, then I shall eat my words.

Here are fragments I got to read from your blog:





CBN When THC ages, a break down product is CBN. CBN is highly psychoactive. When THC and CBN are smoked together, it yields a super high. For this reason, recreational marijuana is ‘cured’ (aged).


CBD is a therapeutic metabolite for most medical conditions. When CBD is present with THC and CBN, it moderates the high. You will either not get high, or not as high.


Real medical marijuana does NOT make you high. It is not supposed to.
Medicine treats your condition. It relieves pain, it lessens suffering,
and improves the quality of life.


Medical marijuana strains are rare. I have found only 3 that are being sold.
I have not seen any reliable source of clean green marijuana, anywhere. There are private
collectives, but no wide scale clean green medical marijuana pharmacies.


Medical marijuana is not ‘cured’ (aged) thus it has no CBN.

Using a high THC (and also CBN) strain will make you high, but a cost. You will have more seizures. Using too high a dose of a lower level of THC marijuana may also be pro-convulsive. This means that if you smoke too much medical grade marijuana, you may still have seizures, but a high level of CBD will mitigate a higher level of THC. If possible,
avoid a high level of THC. If you use a lower amount of non limited THC marijuana (most of the marijuana grown) to limit your exposure to THC, but if you use a lot of it (smoke too much), you are safer than using a super-potent strain. If unable to obtain a medical grade marijuana, look for strains that do not make you very high,
and smoke very little. If you are using marijuana to treat seizures, and you are getting high,
you are using too much - this will trigger seizures.
Avoid single strains. Sativa strains may be more spacey, Indica more sleepy.



Anything that you buy on the streets or that you may grow yourself is NOT medical
marijuana.


Most of the marijuana that is sold, even from legal sources is harmful, and poses a serious risk, perhaps fatal, to anyone with a compromised immune system.


Most of the marijuana that is home grown poses a serious risk, perhaps fatal, to anyone with a compromised immune system. Marijuana that is grown outdoors is subject to bird feces. Bird feces contain many pathogens, including some of the deadliest pathogens, such as MRSA, and H1N1. Bird feces contain toxic plant oils (such as poison ivy), and pollens.


Marijuana that is grown outdoors is infested with insects, including spiders, and spider mites, that target marijuana. All marijuana is highly prone to fungus and molds. They kill the plants. Growers use powerful chemicals to kill the fungus and the mold. They spray the plants with insecticides. Marijuana is also subject to opportunistic spider mites, killed using a separate poison - a miticide - to control the pests. These are highly toxic compounds.




Marijuana, if grown in dirt, has another problem. The plant takes up heavy metals, such as lead.

Tests have shown that lead and other toxins are found in plant material, especially in the roots.

Medical marijuana is not grown outside. It is grown in a controlled environment, it is not contaminated with chemicals, and is insect free, and has no exposure to the risk of bird feces.
It is raised in a heavy metal free growth medium which produces a better plant.
It is grown under moisture control to reduce the molds and fungus. It is inspected for mold.
If any mold is found, that source/batch of marijuana should be destroyed.

Before any clean medical sourced marijuana is given to a patient, it should be
heated in a special (accurate) oven at 100 degrees for (I believe 2 hours) to kill any
remaining spores.

Marijuana when stored is still subject to mold invasion. Medical marijuana is not kept in
long-term storage, because THC breaks down in to CBN, a highly psychoactive compound.


Marijuana is smoked, and is also ‘eaten’. If you eat marijuana you will get a lot of cramps. The metabolites are not water soluble. They dissolve in fats or in solvents, such as alcohol. People extract THC in alcohol (tinctures), or dissolved it in butter (cannabutter), or in oil (hemp oil). These all concentrate the THC. People make (and sell) ‘edibles’, goodies made with marijuana extracts / oils / butter.

I am hoping that a medical grade marijuana (certified green and clean) will be available,
legally, with little or no THC, with a medical permit, so Grandma, and Grandpa,
(and anyone else), can use it as medicine, without getting high.



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Posted 04 February 2011 - 05:07 PM

Robin I think medical use is not clearly defined by anyone. My idea.. If it helps aliviate any health issue, or more importantly, if it helps people with thier quality of life..then that use should be considered medical. Most stoners I know, and I know some seasoned smokers, use it to relax in the evening, to put thier mind at ease from a days hard work. That in turn helps them forget about any pain caused from that hard days work, muscle or mind. I think anyone of them could go to a doctor, and with no problem at all, get a perscription for a muscle relaxor, an anti depresent, a miriad of narcotics that would be much more addictive and harmful..but they choose something they feel is much safer, and it is. If the Feds approve it will it then automatically be looked at as "Medical?" I have to agree with some of the others that dividing the community on legalization would not be good. DD
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Posted 05 February 2011 - 10:10 AM

i agree wholeheartedly too....but like lyds says...over here in the UK there is no medical...only recreational....i feel that the more the public here know and learn about MJ's therapeutic effects...be it cancer...depression...whatever...the more likely they are to accept MJ for everyone....the medical side is only a means to an end.....i've been a recreational smoker all my life...i don't use it for medical reasons for myself...only for my dad...but i can see the medical side as a tool to help ignorant and ill informed people understand how harmless and benign our wonderful cannabis can be!!

Well, good luck to you guys. I believe it will stay the status quo here where I live and its just illegal all the way around, so I'm off to hide from the world in my outbuilding to get blazed :bong: Peace.
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Posted 05 February 2011 - 11:38 AM

Well, good luck to you guys. I believe it will stay the status quo here where I live and its just illegal all the way around, so I'm off to hide from the world in my outbuilding to get blazed :bong: Peace.

hang on.....am coming with you!!!!....LOL!!!
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Posted 07 February 2011 - 11:44 AM

As having been diagnosed with epilepsy for almost 11 years, and being a chronic marijuana smoker for 6 1/2 of them, I must say I'm VERY bothered by your blog. Not once have I ever had a seizure because I smoked too much, or ate too much or had a potent strain. And trust me, I've been there. In fact, when I was first diagnosed I was having seizures once or twice a month, depending on how bad the stress was AND I was taking Tegretol to treat my seizures. I decided to stop taking the Tegretol because I felt it wasn't working and I didn't like the side effects, nor taking a pill twice a day. Years later, after I was introduced to mj, I started smoking it more and more recreationally because I LIKED the high. After months and then years of smoking it on a regular basis I was able to go 4 years without a seizure. Pretty amazing, I think. Since then, the seizures I have had were from being stressed after running out or only having low-grade mj, such as shake. ( I did use to live in PA, lol). To say marijuana triggers seizures is completely absurd. I think you need to re-evaluated some of your information there before putting all that in a blog, and then putting it out there for everyone to read.
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Posted 10 February 2011 - 06:19 PM

Source http://www.calgarycmmc.com via http://www.epilepsy....comment-1040535 Safe Medical Marijuana THC IS A HARMFUL DRUG TO SOME MEDICAL MARIJUANA PATIENTS AND A BLESSING FOR OTHERS. In epilepsy, HIGH levels of THC can TRIGGER seizures, but lower levels of THC when combined high levels of CBD controls seizures. 2 AG is a metabolite found in marijuana which may be a Neuroprotectant. 2 AG may be in development for use as a drug. 2 AG, CBD, and THC, are important metabolites in treating epilepsy. Pharmaceutical companies have isolated and had developed several compounds found in marijuana. Some of these are being studied as therapeutic drugs. Marijuana is available in different strains, each one unique with it's medicinal values, and it's own high. INDICA based strains tend to cause a 'BODY HIGH', is relaxing and sedating, while SATIVA based strains cause euphoria. RUDERALIS is a Russian line of marijuana, and in pure strain has very little THC. >>>> Certain Strains of marijuana that come from South Africa DO NOT CONTAIN CBD. These strains should NOT be considered as MEDICAL marijuana <<<< It is not known if those South African lines of marijuana contains 2 AG. When choosing which strain to use for your medical condition, study the strains, their family, and the percent of each metabolite needed for your medicine. List all of your possible choices, and compair resistance to, or vulnarability to mold. Very high levels of THC (20 percent or more) can cause a psychedelic like - high. Sometimes THC is exacted from parts of plants. This may be smoked or eaten. What's the truth about marijunana causing anxiety? THC by itself causes anxiety and panic. CBD moderates the harmful psychological effect of THC, changing it. THC and CBD togeather cause euphoria. When using marijuana, always have CBD along with the THC. Will it make me hungry? Marijuana is famous for causing 'the muchies', - hunger for food. The THC in the marijuana causes hunger. CBD, on the other reduces the appatite. Strains that are very HIGH in TCH may be harmful in treating epilepsy. Treating PAIN, requires a high level of THC. Treating M.S., requires both high level of THC and a high level of CBD. Treating Nausea requires both high THC and high CBD. Treating people requires compassion, and not just the science of metabolites. CBD does not cause euphoria itself, but affects the euphoria caused by THC. CBD effects a 'corporeal high', a 'body high'. Marijuana is a medicine for many indications, including depression. Epilepsy causes depression, which needs to treated. Marijuana can help treat this depression. The tricky part is controlling the level of THC. This may be resolved by limiting the dose of the marijuana, the THC/CBD, both at each dose, the total doses / day, and the total level of THC in the patient. How the marijuana is consumed also affects the level of THC. Most THC is released from the plant when it is smoked/vaporized. Most THC is found in the female flowers of the plant. This can be complicated, as the patient may resist therapy to increase the THC (because of the euphoria). Ideally, marijuana would act as the only drug needed to treat seizures. More likely, it could be an add-on drug, allowing the other AED's to be given at lower doses. Many of these strains are available both SATIVA or INDICA, Silver Haze, for example is available as SATIVA Silver Haze, or INDICA Silver Haze For Epilepsy, SAVITA based strains are preferred. They all produce a high WHEN SMOKED*. The problem is that they all produce a high. If you need a medication, but higher levels of THC will chemically induce the user to smoke more of it than is safe to use, or more than would be required, for that patient, a high THC is harmful, and smoking more marijuana is also harmful. Some people don't want to get high. I have spoken to others who need marijuana as a medicine. One lady, who has M.S., had said that she is the mother of small children, and does not want to be impaired by being high, she wants to be a mom. She needs marijuana as a medication because it is the only drug that works. Others don't want to be 'stoned high', all of the time. They don't mind being high, but would rather control when, and how high they are. * Ruderalis based strains contain very little THC, and may be smoked. " One of the most under-reported applications of the hemp plant is its medicinal use. The flowers of the plant produce seeds, as is their purpose, and both are protected by resin glands called “trichomes.” Within the trichomes are cannabinoids, hundreds of chemical compounds that naturally occur in Cannabis plants. Most of these drugs do nothing to the user (when consuming Cannabis) but a few impart either a psychoactive or corporal feeling. When hemp plants are consumed in any way, no intoxication is felt due to their minute amounts of THC, one of the main active drugs in a Cannabis plant. Hemp plants do not get anyone “high,” nor are they used medicinally in exactly the same manner as Cannabis (vaporised, eaten as space cake, drunk in tea and other preparations or smoked as a last resort)." See Space Cake for recipes. WARNING! Marijuana which is purchased on the street is not safe for medicinal use. It is grown with insecticides, and fungicides. It may be sprayed with chemicals to cause a better high, and is full of fungus. Marijuana is prone to insects. Marijuana sold on the street will contain insects. Marijuana is highly prone to fungus. Smoking or eating fungus is harmful. Eating or smoking insects is harmful. Marijuana grown outside is subject to bird droppings, which contains MRSA, an untreatable infection which my be deadly. MRSA acts like the flu, but can can kill childen, the elderly, and anyone who is sick. MRSA lowers the immune system. Medical grade marijuana should be grown in a controlled environment, and should be sorted to remove fungal contamination. It has also been cleaned of stems and seeds". Not all medical grade marijuana may be grown to avoid exposure to bird droppings, is inspected for insects or their larva, or is inspected to remove mold. Mold loves marijuana as a food. The seeds are a high source of protein and seed oil is a good supply of fats and calories. Mold grows in storage. Cold does not affect most molds. From the Cannabis College web site http://www.cannabisc...edicalhemp.html "Hemp flowers are resinous; the sticky trichomes aid in wind pollination of the species and protect the delicate vegetable matter from winged predators by trapping them or poisoning/intoxicating the bugs. While the resin glands do not intoxicate humans (due to less than 0.3% THC content in the flowers) the buds may be processed into pharmaceutical grade drugs or the cannabinoids extracted and then synthesized. Recently a cannabinoid called CBG (Cannabigerol) was extracted from hemp flowers and will be synthesised into a drug that reduces blood pressure. Tinctures, elixirs, poultices, salves and cremes have been produced from these flowering tops for thousands of years for a range of internal and external ailments. Many skin conditions may be treated with either hemp or Cannabis and plenty of products have been produced throughout the world combining the powerful medicinal properties of both substances" In Epilepsy, EATING the plant may be therapeutic. In treating pain, and nausea, smoking the plant may be needed. There is one strain of marijuana which has been found to treat glaucoma, and several strains will treat M.S.. There are many indications that may be treated using marijuana. Download Big_Book_of_Buds.pdf For more information on Medical marijuana and how it works: http://www.calgarycm...idsystemecs.htm A note about smoking marijuana: Smoke is harmful. You are inhaling JUNK, including Tars and other crud. Some have argued that the smoke may be safer than tobacco cigar smoke, but smoke is crud. So too is smoke from paper. (Use paper if you need, but smoke-free is better). From personal experience, it is also a much better smoke. Marijuana is effective as a medication. It kept me alive. Not having to inhale smoke is better. Burning causes incomplete combustion, which genererates Carbon Monixide, Ammonia, and other poisons. There is a safer way; heating it. THC and CBD are released when the plant is heated, before the combustion temperature, in a device called a vaporizer. There are different models and types of Vaporizers. Many companies sell them at various prices. Legal note: If marijuana is illlegal where you live, so too is a vaporizer. Using a vaporizer does not smell up the room, your clothes, and your breath doesn't smell. Is marijuana a Neuroprotectant? In several studies, several of the metabolites of marijuana were thought to have neuroprotectant properties. This was thought to help protect the brain from damage in many neurological conditions, as well as stroke and trauma to the head. To date, only one of theses compounds, HU 211 has been tested in clinical trials. In phase III clinical trials it had failed to show any improvement. In my opinion, other claims to this effect are only loosely supported by research. There are many suggestions, but no clear evidence. There have not yet been studies on the many interesting proposals. Can marijuana make me sterile? It does not interfere with libido. In tests in mice, marijuana cannot make you sterile. It can, however adversely affect your ability to become pregnant. It affects both male and female. An extensive resource for information see http://www.calgarycmmc.com
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 03:06 AM

Cami2009, your links don't seem to prove that high amounts of THC trigger seizures . Can you please show me a REAL study that proves high amounts of THC trigger seizures? All I have found so far is how much THC and CBD do nothing but help. By all means, I don't want to have a seizure because I took too high of a concentration of THC.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 07:18 AM

Cami, you just seem to be repeating part of the info that is already on the above mentioned blog. Because you can put a link to a web page doesn't support that such info is verifiable, as anyone can write a web page; proof of funding (who paid for the findings) and peer reviewing conditions (if it ever was reviewed) should be also considered.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 12:15 PM

I'm a medical user and enjoy all the side effects. Posted Image



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Posted 11 February 2011 - 02:08 PM

When a plant has had so many and such varied benefits to so many individuals for this long, I'm not so sure that you can even draw lines between medicinal and non-medicinal marijuana use. "Medicating" means a whole lot of different things to a whole lot of different people. I think it's important to remember who drew those lines in the first place, and why. That line is often used to divide the people who go to jail and those that do not.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 02:34 PM

Splitting the community into medical and recreational will limit our legalization all the world over.

We want the whole pie, not just a piece.

There is so much we do not know about this yet.

We find out info daily all over the world.

One thing I do know:

If it was not for the recreational community many of the types of cannabis we still have the genetics for would of been lost years and years ago. This would of been a tragedy.


There is no point in splitting hairs in this way...it is all part of the whole.

I was a recreational user, I thought, for many years....but I was using medically to help me sleep long before I ever learned of cannabis's healing properties.


Good points made all around here but I must say Robin, you are not aware of many different aspects of the fight we have nor the availability of such pure green.

If people could GET this type of medicine, fine, then maybe you would have a leg to stand on...but this is not reality for soooo many medical patients it is unrealistic and you cannot be so hard and fast about this....


Yes in a perfect world medical patients should have this type of herb available........but I have not found it yet nor have many other medical patients as far as the purity you outline here. So should all these people that grow for them selves and others STOP using their herb because it does not fit this rigid outline you have here? We must be practical with this...and your statements are not feasible for the majority of med users...just cannot be done.

This is very unrealistic and not approachable for us at this point in the medical community.
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 08:47 PM

From my point of view, ALL CANNABIS USE IS MEDICAL, WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT! Preventative medicine is not unheard of, even in this pharmaceutical wonderland we live in.

The use of any substance that can slow the spread and growth of breast (1), prostate (2), lung (3) and brain (4) cancers must be considered medicinal, no matter what the user's intent. Cancer will strike one out of every 3 Americans sometime during their life. The use of a safe herbal substance that can inhibit cancer growth is not unreasonable, even if it IS pleasurable!

Diabetes is at epidemic proportions! Many of those who have it, don't know it!

Diabetic retinopathy blinds thousands of people every year- it is a major cause of blindness in adults. Cannabidiol (CBD) prevents the growth of extra, leaky blood vessels that are at the root of this type of blindness. (5) CBD is also a neuroprotectant. The delicate neurons in the eye are shielded from diabetic neuropathic damage by CBD. (6) Incidentally, CBD won't get you high.

The neuroprotectant properties of cannabinoids is well documented and not limited to the eye. Diabetic neuropathy attacks the hands and feet and is a major cause of amputations in adults. It can cause numbness, tingling, or difficult to treat pain. Cannabis not only slows the progress of this often painful condition (7), it can relieve the pain better than many addictive drugs!

Diabetes can damage the heart, and again, cannabis has a protective effect.(8) Some animal studies even suggest that CBD may lower the risk of diabetes! (9) Although these results are just "mouse studies", the dramatic difference in the percentages is enough to warrant further study in humans.

Alzheimer's is another condition that cannabis may treat more effectively than "conventional" medicine. Amyloid plaque is the physical evidence of Alzheimer's. Guess what helps your body get rid of amyloid plaque? (10) I'll give you a hint- it starts with a "C".

Other conditions that you can look up are MS, osteoporosis, high blood pressure, strokes and seizures. I could go on further, but this is getting too long!

Cannabis is a preventative medicine, as well as being a safe and effective treatment for many conditions! If it slows the growth of a breast cancer cell, if it keeps that extra blood vessel from leaking, or helps to eliminate a tangle of plaque, we are supposed to not use it because things haven't gotten to the point where we notice something is "wrong". Do we have to let things get really bad just to avoid having a "giggle or two"? Is our "feeling too good" really that big of a threat to you, even though it may save our sight, or our lives?

ALL CANNABIS USE IS MEDICAL, WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT!




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(1)JunD is involved in the antiproliferative effect of Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol on human breast cancer cells (abst - 2008)
http://www.knockouts...p?pmid=18454173


(2)Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol induces apoptosis in human prostate PC-3 cells via a receptor-independent mechanism (abst - 1999)
http://www.sciencedi...20656f24e07dfd1

(3){Delta}-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits growth and metastasis of lung cancer.
(abst - 2007)
http://www.aacrmeeti...ourcetype=HWCIT

(4)Cannabidiol Enhances the Inhibitory Effects of Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol on Human Glioblastoma Cell Proliferation and Survival (full - 2010)
http://www.letfreedo...ancer_Study.pdf

(5) Marijuana Compound May Help Stop Diabetic Retinopathy (news - 2006)
http://www.scienceda...60227184647.htm

(6) Cannabidiol Preserves Retinal Neurons and Reduces Vascular Permeability in Experimental Diabetes (abst - 2004)
http://abstracts.iov...ourcetype=HWCIT

(7)Beneficial effects of a Cannabis sativa extract on diabetes induced neuropathy and oxidative stress. (abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme...idative_stress_


(8) Cannabidiol Attenuates Cardiac Dysfunction, Oxidative Stress, Fibrosis, and Inflammatory and Cell Death Signaling Pathways in Diabetic Cardiomyopathy
(abst - 2010)
http://content.onlin...6/25/2115?rss=1


(9) Cannabidiol lowers incidence of diabetes in non-obese diabetic mice
(full - 2005)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....?tool=pmcentrez

(10) The activation of cannabinoid CB2 receptors stimulates in situ and in vitro beta-amyloid removal by human macrophages. (abst - 2009)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....m&ordinalpos=18


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Posted 24 February 2011 - 11:18 AM

I'm going to agree with Granny on this one. I was a recreational user for a long time before I had a medical need and all things considered I would be in a lot worse shape physically without my previous "recreational" use. If it is ever to be to be made legal it will require efforts from all users.
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Posted 24 February 2011 - 11:40 PM

I am a Medicinal MJ user who absolutely knows the Medicinal qualities of :bong:. I do also appreciate the enjoyable side effects.
I had a Dr. call me and asked for some help for one of his patients, He had been treating this man for over 12 or 13 years for epilepsy, this man had gotten some "recreational MJ " and It helped him more than the medicine the Dr. had been giving him. The Dr. said it was like an "exorcism" to see the change in this man when he took the MMJ. The Dr. has helped this patient get his state MMJ license and the Dr. now supports this "Folk Medicine"

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 05:59 AM

I agree with you GP, I too use mj for medical reason, but I also enjoy the times I just need that nice feeling of drifting away from what ever is going on that I really don't need to be dealing with at that moment. It is not a bad thing, it has helped me many a times when I am too nerved up or just want to relax. I spent a lifetime thinking I was just getting high, there is so much more to this miracle plant then that, and one may not realize this until they do the research. It is after they search more into the medical benefits of mj that they realize that all along they were really medically taking care of different health issues.. I am thankful for mj and how it makes my days livable because it took care of my pain and so on, When it takes care of my pain, I don't feel the high so much as I feel relief which helps me to go on. But I also enjoy the high when I just want to get high, It isn't an unhealthy thing like so many of the drugs prescribed or not that are out there and that includes drinking and smoking ciggs.. As hard as they have tried, they will never take that right away from me, I won't let them... Like it has been said here, we need to be realistic as to what is here for us right now and work with what we know now so to work on getting what the people need and want. And thank you Granny for your wisdom and for all the research you have found,
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 06:54 AM

being High is better than being Low. Feeling good is healthy in a thousand different ways. i do not become dysfunctional because of being high. I love the comfort and sense of well being it gives me. Whatever "recreation" I get from using this herb, I am grateful for and feel NO shame in. i have never gotten sick from the use of cannabis. I have from just about every other "medication" I have ever taken. This does not kill or maim. I can't think of another "medication" that you can say that in regards to. Why the concern about how much or how often or how much fun folks have while using cannabis? Why should anyone care? If it is good for you, and it is not hurting anyone, what do we care for the false labels and reputation given our plant?
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 06:58 AM

I am a Medicinal MJ user who absolutely knows the Medicinal qualities of :toking:. I do also appreciate the enjoyable side effects.
I had a Dr. call me and asked for some help for one of his patients, He had been treating this man for over 12 or 13 years for epilepsy, this man had gotten some "recreational MJ " and It helped him more than the medicine the Dr. had been giving him. The Dr. said it was like an "exorcism" to see the change in this man when he took the MMJ. The Dr. has helped this patient get his state MMJ license and the Dr. now supports this "Folk Medicine"


One of my patients has been diagnosed with cervical cancer. Her doctor has asked for my information so he can refer his other patients to me. He has seen the light. I am most grateful for the opportunity his is giving me to reach out to his patients with comfort and healing.

I wish him many Blessings.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 07:06 AM

I agree heartedly. And medical users must not forget that when there are elections, when there is a rally, when there is a meeting that decides on issues regarding MJ and MMJ, "stoners" are always backing up the medical community. But it seems some of the medical community have begun to look down on recreational users as if we were plague?

Why am I allowed to be a drunk but I am not permitted by law to have a smoke?

We are all in the same boat. Never take the "stoner" backup on the medicinal community for granted.




the politicians are dividing us on purpose. Divide and conquer. Don't play into it. It is just another trick. They want to control the money.

Medical has done more to change the laws concerning cannabis more than last 30 all the years of protest and voting combined. Mainstream society is watching their family and loved ones come back from the brink of near death illnesses all around them and not getting sick from the "treatment". Medical use is enlightening the world of cannabis harmlessness and value.

It is not a matter of "stoners" supporting Medical, or the other way around. It is harmless and beneficial and good for folks regardless of their situation in life.

imho
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