1st stealth grow

[mike2007]

Hey everyone,


Ive decided to start up a grow journal here and get some helpful info along the way.

The box is a trunk locker stood on its side, so its 31" high and 15" width.
The inside is covered in white paper, has 2 computer exhaust fans, with a intake hole. Im growing using CFLs for right now im only using 2 15w 6500k CFLs. I plan adding more soon.

The medium is MG organic and chicken poop mixed up. It seems to be working good so far.

Im only feeding it water w/ superthrive makes the PH around 6.5 every other 2 days about 50 milliliters. Im going to use a organic mix of nutes at about week 4.

Heres the pictures, i have a decent digital camera but i cant make it take close up pictures with out them being blurry :(



Heres my questions,
1. If you look close you can see on the 1st set of true leafs the ends are browned slightly, is it heat stress? the temps near the bulbs are around 80-85 degrees. I would like to add more light when its bigger and farther from the heat of the lights.

2. I came in to take the pictures and i noticed some grey looking mold on the soil close to the sides of the container, i mixed it up ( dont know why) then a few seconds after that i notice a few little white specs walking around the edge of the container, ive tried looking these up with no success what are they?

3.With the high limited to around 28" when should i begin to flower?




Thanks guys!
Here it(hopefully she) is at one week.

[greengreen]

very nice. keep it up!

[green_nobody]

i would move it a bit closer toe the lights so about 2" away so it doesn't stretch like crazy

[smokedoja]

^^^nice!^^^ great setup!

[mike2007]

hey guys

Its been about 4 days since my last post, figure id show you the improvement.

Woke up this morning to check up on it and i lifted the pot and at the drainage holes there looked like nasty white mold(didnt look like roots) coming out, so i decided to transplant into a bigger pot and see what was going on. to my surprise i just found a really nice rootball and no mold. so with my very shotty transplant its in a bigger pot for more room for the roots.

The lights are still the 2 15w 6500k CFLS, i tryed adding more CFLs (which i only have are red spectrum lights and they run hot) and made the box almost 90 degrees! so i made soda can reflectors for the CFLs and it accutaly dropped the temp to 81 at the top of the box.


I recently got a organic nute method im going to use using a banana and a egg, with organic nutes can i burn the plant still? how long should i wait?

Ive tried looking this question up with no answers, Is it normal for the sides of your leafs to curl up towards the center? some of the leafs have done that then went back to normal, you can see it on the second picture 2nd set of leafs the one going ^. also that nute looking burn on the first set of leafs is only on that set.

[Mogie]

How long ago did you transplant? Nix the idea of the banana and egg. Don't over do any fert even organic. When you start begin at 1/4 the recommended strength. And slowly increase.

[mike2007]

I transplanted the day that i posted those pictures. Im going to be flowering it here in 2 days when its 2 weeks old to insure it doesnt over grow the box. what nutes can i use that i can buy around town? like schutlz?

thanks

[Mogie]

You are going to flower when it is two weeks old?

[mike2007]

I want to make sure it doesnt over grow the box or really even get to close to those bulbs (super hot).What would you suggest i do mogie?

[Hobo]

you could LST or light stress train the plants. By basically tieing down the tops, slowly bending a bit day by day, it will stop it from growing up, and it will open up the plant more to get more air and light through it.

Originally Posted by Hobo

you could LST or light stress train the plants. By basically tieing down the tops, slowly bending a bit day by day, it will stop it from growing up, and it will open up the plant more to get more air and light through it.

I agree 100%. you can train the plant into any shape you want as long as you do it slowly. I would veg it for another week at least while training it. You will have more than enough space if done properly.
MyBUDdy

[green_nobody]

Originally Posted by MyBuddy

I agree 100%. you can train the plant into any shape you want as long as you do it slowly. I would veg it for another week at least while training it. You will have more than enough space if done properly.
MyBUDdy

^^ right, water it and then slowly bend it into the shape you need it, if needed do it over several days. also, once more - to keep the plant small and from stretching adjust the CFLs low enough.

what kinda CFLs are those that are running hot? I can touch my CFLs after they've been on all day and they're warm at best...

[thenoffya]

Hey man, if you're worried about temps, don't use the soda can reflectors. They reflect light and heat (which are technically the same thing). Thats why the temp at the top of the box was cooler: there was more heat bunched up underneath the reflectors.


Hopefully, I understood your quote right.

The lights are still the 2 15w 6500k CFLS, i tryed adding more CFLs (which i only have are red spectrum lights and they run hot) and made the box almost 90 degrees! so i made soda can reflectors for the CFLs and it accutaly dropped the temp to 81 at the top of the box.

[mike2007]

hey guys

thanks for the responses, im looking into doing LST here soon. I noticed that my 1 set of true leafs and my cotyledons where slowly tinting yellow, so i figure its a N problem, bad news is that im short on money for ferts so i headed to lowes and picked up, schulz plant food 10-15-10 and Miracle gro bloom booster 15-30-15. Im getting these brown spots on my leafs and im thinking its a MG deficiency but im not too sure. what do you guys think?

The lights i have in there now are 2 20w 2700k and 1 26w 2700k and the temps even with that huge fan in there and the 2 exhaust fans reaches almost 90 degrees with the soda can reflectors on it was accutally lower. any suggestions? again im short on money and i cant afford more lights, i do have 2 15w 6500k that i was using with great success but i figured i should put more lumens in there rather than just the color spec.

suggestions guys?

:joint:

[mike2007]

Help me out! im starting to lose hope :(, i know that some of the problems is caused by heat stress but, what should i do?
do i remove the dead leaves? please help! :(

[ice#1]

heat stress bull crap your frying them with 2 much nutes the main thing that makes up the nitrogen in those urea nitrogen which is a very hot nitrogen source meaning it will burn ur plants right up if you use it like they recomend. also for the price that stuff you got you could of bought you a starter pack of nutes at most any hydro store only thing that i see you got that you could use is the superthrive.
the reason i say bullcrap on the heat stress my heat is just as warm as yours is i evan run the exsact same fan or did have till mine burnt up the fan motor that is. my clf's i use are the big ones at wal-mart the 135 150 equivilant and get them with-in 3 to 4 inches at most away from my plants. so it can't be heat burn and then there's noway it's from being to close to the bulb. so that leaves to much nutes or nute lock-up from the ph being way off. how often do you give them nutes and at what streangth. also what is your ph of the soil and the ph of plain water you give them and the ph of the water you give them with nutes mixed in. to chech the above named stuff in the soil you can goto any rural farming store i think it cost like 20 bucks to test the ph and n-p-k 10 times each the one i got is called rapitest soil test kit they might evan sell them at home depot but not sure and after doing those tests once at the begining of planting then every month there after you should be able to get your plant straightened out. but on first glance i'd say nute burn or ph way off but most likely nute burn

[mike2007]

Originally Posted by ice#1

heat stress bull crap your frying them with 2 much nutes the main thing that makes up the nitrogen in those urea nitrogen which is a very hot nitrogen source meaning it will burn ur plants right up if you use it like they recomend. also for the price that stuff you got you could of bought you a starter pack of nutes at most any hydro store only thing that i see you got that you could use is the superthrive.
the reason i say bullcrap on the heat stress my heat is just as warm as yours is i evan run the exsact same fan or did have till mine burnt up the fan motor that is. my clf's i use are the big ones at wal-mart the 135 150 equivilant and get them with-in 3 to 4 inches at most away from my plants. so it can't be heat burn and then there's noway it's from being to close to the bulb. so that leaves to much nutes or nute lock-up from the ph being way off. how often do you give them nutes and at what streangth. also what is your ph of the soil and the ph of plain water you give them and the ph of the water you give them with nutes mixed in. to chech the above named stuff in the soil you can goto any rural farming store i think it cost like 20 bucks to test the ph and n-p-k 10 times each the one i got is called rapitest soil test kit they might evan sell them at home depot but not sure and after doing those tests once at the begining of planting then every month there after you should be able to get your plant straightened out. but on first glance i'd say nute burn or ph way off but most likely nute burn

Well, the post where i show you what i have for nutes, the plant only received PHed 6.5 water with superthrive, so in those pictures you can see theres yellowing going on and brown splotches forming, so i read and the conclusion i got was its a Mag and Nitro deficany and the plant being 2 weeks old i thought i was time for nutes, so i started them on a 1/4th strength of schultz plant food phed to 6.5.

So thats why i think its heat stress EVEN with that huge fan in there 2 exhaust fans and a intake hole it can get to 85 degrees with JUST 3 CFLS its so frustrating.

should i remove the dead / dying leaves?

[ice#1]

is that pure peat or pure coco your growing in as if either you need a lower ph becuase that is considered soilless. from this plant health chart i find it far more probable that you either had nutes in the soil before you added more or they are lock-out due to the wrong ph for the medium your useing

[ice#1]

i use mostly peat and when i water i been going with straight tap water phed to 6.0 and have no signs of deffencies like yours are showing and my growroom get closer to 90 on a regular basis is why i say its not from the heat unless you just put that fan in there next time you water your plant check the run-off water aswell see how much of a diferance there is in whats going in and whats comeing out if you got a tds pen you can evan check that or evan a ec meter but i'm still saying it's more then likely a nute lock-up cuased by improper ph for the substraight your useing