Vertical growth inhibitors vs. Pruning/Topping tall Sativa's?

[Lumix]

I want to control a tall sativa strain not by pruning or topping because I want more a column like structure over lower bushy for optimizing my grow footprint total.

Can I use Bushmaster at the desired height or is it only used 2 weeks after flower starts ?

Are there other vertical growth inhibitors that work better for what I need?

Any advice on the use of both methods are welcome for conversation in reasoning on the best way to go.

And a way to prune and top better to keep them more column like?

Thank you!

[diablodelamor]

I just grew a very fruity very tall sativa but the thing is all buds. I have never used vertical growth inhibitors but i found that tying the plant and bending it over limited vertical growth.

I know that doesnt quiet help you since your trying to grow it like an indica but thats just the thing sativas dont grow that way to begin with. They like to branch and stretch like none others. and if its a 100% sativa when you think its done flowering it will keep on goin.

From what i have heard VGI's dont really inhibit stretching when flowering begins; they can during veg but the plants instincts come on too strong for the chemicals in VGI's to do anything substantial.

I know its a shame cause sativas have such a great high; but tryin to grow them in a single bud column manner will only complicate your situation if your doing it because of space limitations.

wish i could help you more

sorry.

[siriguejo]

nother great topic Lumix...ill be following this one

[Desert Woman]

Originally Posted by Lumix

I want to control a tall sativa strain not by pruning or topping because I want more a column like structure over lower bushy for optimizing my grow footprint total.

Can I use Bushmaster at the desired height or is it only used 2 weeks after flower starts ?

Are there other vertical growth inhibitors that work better for what I need?

Any advice on the use of both methods are welcome for conversation in reasoning on the best way to go.

And a way to prune and top better to keep them more column like?

Thank you!

we bend the branches with our fingers
the girls love it!
the branch responds with a nice big knot and ets stronger and thicker diameter.

just don't break it off lol!
if u do, don't worry we have all done it at some time or another
it takes a little practice, but it's fun..

[Desert Woman]

Originally Posted by Lumix

I want to control a tall sativa strain not by pruning or topping because I want more a column like structure over lower bushy for optimizing my grow footprint total.

Can I use Bushmaster at the desired height or is it only used 2 weeks after flower starts ?

Are there other vertical growth inhibitors that work better for what I need?

Any advice on the use of both methods are welcome for conversation in reasoning on the best way to go.

And a way to prune and top better to keep them more column like?

Thank you!

put them into flower when they get the right heigth? We start ours flowering at 2 to 3 feet.

[sabasi]

I had no other choice when I started this hobby to grow bagseed. The only healthy mom I could have was a pure sativa strain. So I had to learn quick how to keep them down away from the lights. I'm only running CFL's but they still LOVE to stretch! I have tried FIM and that so far has kept her low. I have also been doing the bending thing as well. I just tried to push one back down that was moving back up to the light and I heard a lil snap. So that is the first time I've heard a snap so far. I have pics and all in my grow journal here if ya wanna have a look see. Sativas are very hard to keep short and I had to jump right into advanced growing techniques in order to have a yeild from them. I love the high they give also! I'm also growing 5 NL#5's at the moment too which look TOTALLY different than anything I've ever grown before! Compliments from GP and HGS!!! I think I will one day be free of tops hitting light very soon! Good luck with yours!!

[Lumix]

The point of my search is to grow what I love and not let my environment dictate more then I give it.
Get all three for around $69. shipped

Not to forget about Bushmaster that takes the stretch out of aggressive or lanky plants can also be used as a spray early to shape plant in grow room that are small but be careful .......use it on one plant till you got it down and see just how it works.....each variety takes a different amount so one needs to play around to get the desired effect.....the stuff is spendy at 30.00 per 8 ounces but it goes along ways and i have had nothing but positive outcomes w/it......Good luck should you chose to use any of the products and the addition of mollasses just makes them work better..

Using all three looks the way to go, I intend to use the Bushmaster near the desired maximum height as I have found some have done.

Humboldt County's Own Snow Storm Ultra is a potassium supplement which assists with essential oil production.


Bushmaster slows down and halts the vertical growth, creating more compact plants. At the same time the vertical growth ceases, the plant starts to become very bushy, producing lateral branching and eventually producing much more surface area for flowers to form, thus greatly increasing the yield. Works well in soil or hydro, indoors or out.


Works well with any nutrient line. Just apply it once about three weeks before finish for results than can't be duplicated by any other product. Watch as flowers become denser and tighter than ever before. Gravity is unlike any other flower-finishing product on the market. Gravity fills out flower clusters and increases total flower mass without interfering with flower scent and color. Based on natural ingredients, Gravity is the brother of Bushmaster, the popular plant height controller used at the beginning of flowering. Like Bushmaster, Gravity is recommended for flowering plants and not fruiting plants like tomatoes and peppers due to fruit drop.




Snowstorm article

Gravity, Purple Storm,bushmaster By Humboldt Triangle, anyone use with mollasses

[siriguejo]

but does anyone have any experience with any of the growth inhibitors??

LST, supercropping and all those options are good....but what about any additives?

[Lumix]

Originally Posted by siriguejo

but does anyone have any experience with any of the growth inhibitors??

LST, supercropping and all those options are good....but what about any additives?

Dude, that's how I came to my decision from people with experience with the products.

[siriguejo]

what was that decision haha. and what was their experience?

just avoid the chemicals and deal with the height issue in some other fashion?

ive been following your Sannie grows and plan on starting some Sativas at the end of January so this kind of info would be helpful since my max height is just over 5'

[Lumix]

Originally Posted by siriguejo

what was that decision haha. and what was their experience?

just avoid the chemicals and deal with the height issue in some other fashion?

ive been following your Sannie grows and plan on starting some Sativas at the end of January so this kind of info would be helpful since my max height is just over 5'

You'll have to read the hard work I put into links.
Getting a desired finish height with nutes, additive and good old timing of the 12/12 switch count for success.
Products are tested on food sooo...
And besides plants do what they want with what you give them

[siriguejo]

so do none of these products work? or just havent been tried?

[Desert Woman]

Originally Posted by sabasi

I had no other choice when I started this hobby to grow bagseed. The only healthy mom I could have was a pure sativa strain. So I had to learn quick how to keep them down away from the lights. I'm only running CFL's but they still LOVE to stretch! I have tried FIM and that so far has kept her low. I have also been doing the bending thing as well. I just tried to push one back down that was moving back up to the light and I heard a lil snap. So that is the first time I've heard a snap so far. I have pics and all in my grow journal here if ya wanna have a look see. Sativas are very hard to keep short and I had to jump right into advanced growing techniques in order to have a yeild from them. I love the high they give also! I'm also growing 5 NL#5's at the moment too which look TOTALLY different than anything I've ever grown before! Compliments from GP and HGS!!! I think I will one day be free of tops hitting light very soon! Good luck with yours!!

i heard it was when you made a mistake..

[sabasi]

Originally Posted by Desert Woman

i heard it was when you made a mistake..

It's the way you cut off the very top so that you get 3-4 new tops instead of just one. I read it on here somewhere while trying to keep mine short. Jangel knows how to do it too lol

[XBRPete]

Originally Posted by Desert Woman
i heard it was when you made a mistake

DW...

That is the pot-tale.... an attempted topping that resulted in a cut across the apical bud and not the main stem. Closest nod produces the typical two top branches but the cut across the apical bud resulted in 4 additional top branches for a total of 6...

The utterance at the botched topping cut was " F ... I Missed!"

hence FIMMING became reality, my latest attempt resulted in (5) top branches...

Peace!

Pete

[Zigzagman]

Bushmaster slows down and halts the vertical growth, creating more compact plants. At the same time the vertical growth ceases, the plant starts to become very bushy, producing lateral branching and eventually producing much more surface area for flowers to form, thus greatly increasing the yield. Works well in soil or hydro, indoors or out.
Bushmaster does stunt vertical development but the part about bushy is deceptive. The plants going to develop the same internode branch pattern over 3' instead of 6'. If the plants genetics don't encourage branching, bushmasters can't create them.

[Desert Woman]

Originally Posted by XBRPete

Originally Posted by Desert Woman
i heard it was when you made a mistake

DW...

That is the pot-tale.... an attempted topping that resulted in a cut across the apical bud and not the main stem. Closest nod produces the typical two top branches but the cut across the apical bud resulted in 4 additional top branches for a total of 6...

The utterance at the botched topping cut was " F ... I Missed!"

hence FIMMING became reality, my latest attempt resulted in (5) top branches...

Peace!

Pete

that's what i heard..

[Lumix]

Im just pointing out here that bushmaster is just kelp extract. There are LOTS of ferts that we use that include kelp extract. So, i dont think a bottle of it singled out(which i know of a couple other brands of this which are cheaper) will make that big of a difference. The reason it helps with the transition to flower is it has a good available boost of phosphorous and potassium and it signals the plant to begin making fruit sets. The faster the onset of heavy PK ratios the faster the plant goes through its budding process. Which depending on strain can be good or bad.
Like anything it's how it's used.

[Desert Woman]

Originally Posted by Lumix

Im just pointing out here that bushmaster is just kelp extract. There are LOTS of ferts that we use that include kelp extract. So, i dont think a bottle of it singled out(which i know of a couple other brands of this which are cheaper) will make that big of a difference. The reason it helps with the transition to flower is it has a good available boost of phosphorous and potassium and it signals the plant to begin making fruit sets. The faster the onset of heavy PK ratios the faster the plant goes through its budding process. Which depending on strain can be good or bad.
Like anything it's how it's used.

you explained the process very clearly!
i think i get it and i can see adding these extra amounts in certain situations may be helpful and in others it would not

and the potassium and phoshorous may come from any appropriate source and have the same benefit, right?

[Lumix]

Originally Posted by Desert Woman

you explained the process very clearly!
i think i get it and i can see adding these extra amounts in certain situations may be helpful and in others it would not

and the potassium and phoshorous may come from any appropriate source and have the same benefit, right?

I would think a potassium and phosphorous with a chelating action would be more superior in absolution?