Breeding of Hemp with An Indica for Healing Hemp Oil!~BRAINSTORM WITH ME!!!

[jangel]

Okay folks, I have wondered why, when the CBD's and other healing compounds are MOST prevalent in the Industrial hemp plant, combined with an indica for rest and other benefits, no one has tried breeding these two together to create a new breed solely for healing hemp oil.

I have managed to find some Hemp seeds in Canada and will be trying to breed these two different types of hemp together, from my genetics.

This is the type of hemp seeds I have ordered: Vancouver Seed Bank

This is what I just bought, 12 packs. They are 3.50 a pack of 15 for 12 packs.


Suomi Hemp$5.003 packs + $4.00 each 12 packs + $3.50 each
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Hemp is illegal to grow or possess without a licence to do so. These seeds will not be shipped to customers in the U.S.
Low-THC cannabis hemp seed-producing variety developed in Finland. Shorter and earlier blooming than fiber hemp strains. Developed for extremely high seed production, even at latitudes above 65° North. Harvest fertilized female plants for seed in August / after 18-20 weeks.
Mature fertilized female plants produce a very large quantity of edible seed. Hemp seed is highly nutritious and provides a rich source of essential polyunsaturated omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids.
Marijuana buds contain 5%-10% THC. The Suomi hemp buds contain less than 1% THC and will not produce any psychoactive effects if smoked or eaten. However, the buds will contain high levels of CBD, CBN and other therapeutic but much less psychoactive cannabinoids. The mature plants will look just like marijuana. Grow at your own risk. 15 seeds per pack. Expect 80-90% germination.
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They are paid for and will most likely be shipped in the next week. I have most of my genetics from the Vancouver seed bank and even started my first journal in the small forum they have, as a matter of fact! What a newb I was! Check it out if you want to see what a dunce I was at first....then you know all things are possible! ROTFLMAO!!

Anyway, I am thinking I will try God bud to do this...

Here is one description of God Bud but am not sure if they are from the same breeder....I will enquire from the source of the seeds.


Mostly Indica Breeder ~ Jordan of the IslandsAward-winning strain.
Smaller plant, darker in colour, with some of the most powerful aroma and flavour ever.
Everyone's favourite.

I have other genetics as well although most are a blend of sativa and indicas, and for this purpose, I think an indica is best.

Here are my choices of genetics I have, so if someone has a different thought, please do speak up. I am open to any suggestions.

Killer (Kush X white widow)(private source)

Kish (shiskaberry)(Vancouver seed bank)

Nepali Grizzly (Vancouver seed bank)
(this is an auto flowerer and good for hash, but don't think right for this.)

Blueberry (HGS)

Ambrosia(Vancouver seed bank)

Blueberry X Ambrosia (my own cross, two of my favorites!)

God Bud (Private source)

Good God Bud (Private source)

Dela Haze (Private source)

Blue Moonshine (Private source)

MTF (Private source~two geno types)

Dutch Treat X Northern Lights (Vancouver seed bank)

Wild West (Vancouver Seedbank)
Just ordered this and it is mostly sativa


OKAY!

I will be germing these when I get the the hemp seed, then vegging them under my t-5's. Once sex is shown, they will be grown in my closet to keep them pure and away from my other girls.

Please through out your thoughts on this project! I need all the smart ones here to chime in and let me know what you think.

These are my thoughts so far:

The parents: female of which ever will be full of seeds. Once the seeds are harvested, both can be used for oil as far as I know. This should give me a baseline to see what each does as far as the Healing Hemp oil goes.

Then it will take time to see how the new generation grow. One will be a female of just cannabis, with a male hemp, and vice versa. female of hemp and male if I get one, of cannabis. I have more than one closet that can be put to use for this. I will also grow and flower as a sensi (free of seeds) both to harvest and make oil from as well.

Add all of your thoughts folks! Let us see how this grows!

Peace

[Shinningwind]

It's funny,,, I was just looking at those seeds the other day. Thinking about just using the seeds for the omega's....

Here's a farily recent grow log with god bud in it. L0M ,,, the grower is a memeber here but haven't seen him here in awhile.
HIGHGRADE DISCUSSION FORUMS - LoM's Perpetual Bud Shots

What is your main goal in this project....? To make the hemp oil with no physocative(thc) properties...?

[Itinkso]

jangel my good lady......you are a .........i've never come across someone with such drive and enthusiasm and a heart the size of a planet!!
good luck with this and i'll help you all i can tho my knowledge is limited to personal experience!!

YOU GO GIRL!!!

[Itinkso]

Originally Posted by Shinningwind

It's funny,,, I was just looking at those seeds the other day. Thinking about just using the seeds for the omega's....

Here's a farily recent grow log with god bud in it. L0M ,,, the grower is a memeber here but haven't seen him here in awhile.
HIGHGRADE DISCUSSION FORUMS - LoM's Perpetual Bud Shots

What is your main goal in this project....? To make the hemp oil with no physocative(thc) properties...?

HEY SHINNING.....i think the goal is to increase the amount of other cannibinoids in the oil (cbd etc)as much as possible for there healing abilities and the fact that they can trigger receptors in the body to let the cannibis do its work....... I THINK!!! LOL!!!

[jangel]

I am trying to see if we can some how increase the CBD's and the medicinal properties of the herb. Here is one thing I have read by peanutbutter about this:

Originally Posted by peanutbutter
Each cannabinoid has it's set of strengths in the overall set of cannabinoid benefits.

THC does very good at getting someone high. It is moderate in relief of pain.
beta caryophylene does very well at pain killing. Much better than THC It doesn't get you high.

To get every benefit of the full spectrum of cannabinoid benefits, you would need to use more than one single cannabinoid. Even if it is THC.

So which cannabinoid has the most powerful anti cancer effect? It is not THC. I believe that CBD has stronger anti cancer properties than does THC.

And then there is the effect when two of these cannabinoids are mixed together. There are more sets of strengths that materialize when they are brought together.

Funny how it works .. like it was planned that way.

[jangel]

I just want to see if we can create a strain solely for the hemp oil, that has the sleep inducing affect of the strong Indica strains, as well as the healing properties of the high level of available cbd's and other compounds present in the hemp plant. If this can be done, and then used solely for this, it would go a long way to increase the healing affects of the oil.

One problem I have read about over and over again is that these compounds are NOT as prevalent in MMJ types of plants. This is not in any way about a stone. This is solely for healing purposes. And I will use myself as the subject as well. I also wonder if simply using the hemp plant WILL produce these substances. I don't know that it has been tried. So shouldn't we at least try it? Nothing to be lost by trying, and possibly much to be gained.

Peace

[Itinkso]

jangel i did read that CBD is present in a higher qauntity in pure indicas rather than sativas........but CBN is important too and is that not where industrial hemp comes in?
wouldn't it be brilliant to beat the scientists to it!!!and apparently there are over 80 cannibinoids that we know of so far!!
though from talking to PB and michael and such it can get veeeery complicated....i commend you for your bravery!!!

[Deb-HAS-grn]

This is great......will be following you on it all

[ileso]

hi j,

sorry im a bit late to the discussion. th other day i think i commented on something along the lines of this project. i think i had been wondering, and still do wonder about making hemp oil straight ftom low THC strain hemp. after all THC is only one of the multitude of helpful cannabinols in the plant.

my suggestion is along the lines of a medicinal cbd oil. i think if people are really serious about med marijuana this is one of the multitude of options that sincerely has never been tested or tried. i think people concentrate too much on the THC side of the story whereas theres more to it than just THC. even the seedbanks advertising med grade strains all point at high levels of thc . but low level THC plants like 'industrial hemp' (all the same to me) are overlooked. this could also be one of the reasons people turning to cannabis based products for relief sometimes dont find what they want because everyones too focused on thc.

in that BBC documentary the evil weed i think there is a particularly relevant discussion raised towards the end of the documentary and its about the different effects of different plants depending on thc/cbd levels. in todays cannabis, aside from the industrial cannabis scene, the concentration is all on THC and there are strains that really shoot through the roof in thc and have very low cbd. yet the other end of the scale is empty. there are no medicinal high cbd/low thc on the med scene.. why? because for all the good will out there on med marijuana the fact remains that a great percentage of those behind MMj are in it for the cash and for the recreational part of it. i didnt say all of them, just alot of them. so the focus remains on high thc percentages.

as noted in the above stated documantary there is more than enough evidence to suggest that infact industrial hemp could provide the balance. and give the MMj scene a whole lot more credibility.

i have more than once smoked low thc cannabis. i remember the headache i got afterwards with one particular strain. that headache was some cannabinol compound working in my brain. even when theres no obvious physical effects. theres stuff working away in us when we smoke it.

i wholy stand behind you on this enterprise J. though i dont know about crossing it with an indica or sativa for that matter before really understanding the benefits of straight hemp oils. you really dont have to be glassy eyed and sedated for it to be medicine is all i'm saying. i back you totally in your enterprise. it will be fun to watch and interesting to see the results.


and this has sort of been done before though not for the same reasons. with ruderalis crosses - the famous auto flowering strains. ruderalis being a classic headache and no buzz strain. the breeding was done to harness the potential of the autoflowering, and the thc increase was sought after...

theres alot to be done and studied in the wide range of cannabis varieties that are around. and medicinally its my view we shouldnt concentrate on thc potency. nor should the med scene concentrate solely on indicas and sativas. im sure both ruderalis and 'hemp' sativas have a place in the puzzle as well.

Ps. the strain i smoked that gave me the headache i remember it gave me a case of the munchies... so... theres potential there as well. i imagine some patients need the appetite but dont like being high...

alot of work still to be done. thanks J for opening this up for discussion like this. its something that needs to be addressed. and although i am a rec user. i do firmly believe the MMj family tree has to take a separate path to recreational MMJ. I dont believe there should be any laws hindering either rec or medicinal use, but within the Med side of the story alot of serious work has to be done.

Good work J.
thanks

[ileso]

heres a few interesting links:

Cannabis-Based Medicines - GW Pharmaceuticals: High CBD, High THC
ScienceDirect - European Psychiatry : S06-05 Differential effects of THC and CBD in cannabis smokers
THC, CBD and the misleading concept of “Potency”. | The UKCIA News Blog
Marijuana And Cannabinoids (THC, CBD, CBN...)

[DieAbetic]

this sounds awesome Jangel cant wait to see this grow! God bud is a good choice, the others I would suggest from what you have (in order of what i like best) Kish (shiskaberry - very rare strain i'm jealous! i want i want!), Killer (as far as potency and putting one to sleep......this is def. the top strain....that Kush is the real killer of the two), and Blueberry (the berries in general are known for very good pain relief, however aren't as potent as those mentioned above).

oh and DONT forget to separate your breeding area from regular grows. as you know male pollen can travel miles, and survive months. so i dont know what your ventilation for that closet will be.....but make sure to keep it clear of your regular flower rooms. i would hate for some pollen to cling onto you, travel to your full-female flower areas, and give you a whole lot more cross-breeding than you would like.

keep us updated :-)

[I8ntLucky_UR]

Hi there jangel this is an interesting experiment you are undertaking. My only thought is this if you have plant A (already known high in thc) and plant B (already known high in cbd) how do you know they will blend? And what would be the end result?

Whereas if you have the two separate A & B plants why not strip them of there individual benefits and blend the two oils? It would seem the extraction of each plant would already look different simply due to their own uniqueness's, one with thc volume the other with cbd volume. (my guess)

Of course just my own thought process and opinions and I am 100% behind you in this endeavor. I wish you the best in the outcome as I know this is something you are doing for others. Good luck.

[jangel]

Thanks Die....I am aiming for one seed type for cancer patients. This way it will have sedation qualities to it with the God Bud. Rest promotes healing.

No, I know about pollen! I will go so far as to shower and change clothes before going into my flower room. And the rooms are on different floors too, which will help. Once I have pollinated the girls, and see seed pods forming, I will add them to my flowering girls to give them the best chance. I think by then the boys will be gone and any active pollen will also be gone. I have found pollen that is not refrigerated rots pretty fast. We will see! I might just do one run with just these plants....time will tell! It is all in the brain pan stage yet so anything is possible!

Peace

[jangel]

Thanks Lucky. No saying I can't do both, at this stage....as I have said before, all things are possible!

[peanutbutter]

chuckle .. you got a couple of pages going here already!!

God Bud is supposed to be something like 1.6% CBD.

That seems likely to produce a potent strain that would be even higher in CBD than the God Bud. At the same time, lower THC than the God Bud.

Saw this story today:

Fri, September 18, 2009

By JOE BELANGER, LONDON FREE PRESS

It may look like wacky tobacky, but the only kick you'll get off this bud is sick.

Stratford Police have issued a public alert after reports of people - "adults and youth" - helping themselves to a crop of commercial hemp that looks like marijuana but instead of delivering a high can make users "violently ill" with severe headaches, nausea and vomiting.

The crop, located just south of the Festival Marketplace Mall off C.H Meier Blvd., has become the target of thieves, police say.

"People, both adults and youth, have been going onto the property and stealing the crop, thinking it is marijuana," said Insp. Sam Theocharis."

"Our biggest concern is from a public-safety standpoint. Hemp is not meant for ingestion and the user will become violently ill and may very well require hospital care."



Police have notified Stratford General Hospital and made them aware of the possibility that people may arrive at the emergency unit suffering the ill effects of hemp ingestion, said Theocharis.

Police have also notified the producer of the crop.

"This situation also goes beyond the health risk to people taking the plant," said Theocharis. "Most notably, this is a legally produced crop and people taking the plant are stealing. In Canada, it is also an offence to have hemp or to sell it if you are not legally licensed to do so."

Hemp and marijuana are both members of the cannabis family and look similar.

Hemp is used in the production of health supplements, fibre, paper, textiles and even building materials.

Theocharis said the most significant difference in the presence of THC (tetrahydrocannabino) in marijuana. THC is the chemical that provides the "high" associated with marijuana.

Theocharis said the theft of hemp is a new problem in the region since it has only been produced legally in Canada since 1998.

Police said anyone who has taken any hemp to discard it.

Hummm .. now I wonder who would want all of that hemp up there in Canada ...

[Itinkso]

lmao!! gosh jangel......have you been nicking hemp already??!!!!!

[jangel]

You can grow it here, if you are licensed to do so. I saw all that when I was investigating getting some. There are several organic farmers that do this for the health value. The products of this breeding program will not be smoked but just made into the oil. I just don't want to put a big red X on my back. That is pretty much what they do when you have the above permission. They can come in any time and inspect your property. This will be solely grown inside....not outside. The validity of the project will not come until the next generation of seeds come along and are grown. Then we will see what happens when they are compared to the parents. I am pretty sure, as in most new breeds it will take several generations to make a stable variety. But it has to be started somewhere.

And it also might not work at all. The best course of action MIGHT BE making oil from both and mixing them, as Lucky said. I don't know. But I will find out.

Peace

[ileso]

i think the process lucky talked of is interesting, medicine can be tailored to the individual in this way without having to hunt for different strains. imagine having oils from various pure landraces and other strains from indicas through to sativas and ruderalis... ranging from hight thc to high cbd.. and mixing it like paints,... or medicine for that matter... nice...

[peanutbutter]

Originally Posted by jangel

Thanks Die....I am aiming for one seed type for cancer patients. This way it will have sedation qualities to it with the God Bud. Rest promotes healing.

No, I know about pollen! I will go so far as to shower and change clothes before going into my flower room. And the rooms are on different floors too, which will help. Once I have pollinated the girls, and see seed pods forming, I will add them to my flowering girls to give them the best chance. I think by then the boys will be gone and any active pollen will also be gone. I have found pollen that is not refrigerated rots pretty fast. We will see! I might just do one run with just these plants....time will tell! It is all in the brain pan stage yet so anything is possible!

Peace

Hello ..

Nice to see that you selected God Bud.

I'm working with an autoflower right now.

Ruderalis x AK47 (AK is known for a CBD content)
The result from that was crossed with Hindu Kush.

The resulting plant is short, has a short growing period and is some of the best I've ever had.

Normally produces about 2oz per plant. Good growers have been harvesting five to 7 oz per plant.

75 to 90 days from seed germination to harvest.

[jangel]

I did have some AK-47 seeds, but I killed them...darn!

So I will use what I have, and see how it goes...

Thanks for adding your wisdom PeanutButter.

Please, anything you find relevent, post away!

This way, we share the load for the hunt for the Wisdom and it all gets easier.

Peace