Why the perpetuation of "One Pound per Plant" by DEA ?

[Richard Owl Mirror]

I'm sitting here watching a MSNBC special on Drugs in America.
One of the most prevalent statements by Police & DEA is that each plant will yield one pound. They showed different grow houses they busted, some were major operations while others were equal to or a little better than a closet grow room. In each instance they claimed that each plant would yield one pound of marijuana and assigned a street value that to me seemed very very high.
I'm curious how many of you who grow your own for medicinal purposes have achieved a yield of one pound per plant?

I'm also curious as to how many actually grow FOR PROFIT.
Even from the Medical patients perspective, do you sell some of your grow FOR PROFIT? I understand it is tempting, especially for those of us who survive on SSDI. There are only a few people who know what I am legally able to do today and, each of them have offered to sell my excess for a profit as a means to help me out financially. Personally, I refuse to go that route, one because I don't believe I can grow enough each harvest to have any excess and the other is that I wouldn't want to place my legal status in jeopardy for a few hundred dollars.

Are the members of this site willing to discuss this aspect of our community ?
I see people talking about growing pounds each harvest and it makes me wonder if I am just being naive.

I thought of another question which I do not know the answer to.
In California, they have a dispensorary system. Naturally they have people external to their organization who grow marijuana and 'transfer' it to the dispensorary for dispensation to those who carry a medical marijuana card.
Naturally this transfer would garner a recouping of costs yet, I'm curious as to how much profit is gained.
Is it equal to that gained on the street or are these individuals doing so out of compassion?
I have no idea about that entire system and am curious because there are people in Michigan fighting to allow a similar system in our state.

[kareem ahvunyun]

if i dont get at least 3#s per plant outdoors, i throw that strain out and replace it with something worth havin in the garden.
indoors i veg for a couple months usually and end up with about 2 per plant most times...

i dont do cali and i give mine away free to med folks so prices are not important to me.

[The Pinks]

Originally Posted by kareem ahvunyun

if i dont get at least 3#s per plant outdoors, i throw that strain out and replace it with something worth havin in the garden.
indoors i veg for a couple months usually and end up with about 2 per plant most times...

i dont do cali and i give mine away free to med folks so prices are not important to me.

Are you saying that you usually get ~2 lbs. per plant, dry weight, when grown indoors?

If so, you are part of an impossibly tiny minority, my brother. Tell me your secret!

[4evergreen]

[quote=Richard Owl Mirror;125010]
I'm also curious as to how many actually grow FOR PROFIT.


In my opinion we should not ask any member to disclose if s/he grows for profit, this is something LEOs are after! We can learn a lot in GP without going personal
So please, before you post in this thread read this note

[jangel]

I have two patiants. I have not made money off them, nor will I accept it, but they have insisted on contributing to some grow costs in other ways and have taken me shopping for things for the plants. I have offered to donate to a compassion center and no one ever responded and I tried several times. So far we have kept 5 of us supplied with medical needs. And I would not sell it in case at the other end we do not have a harvest. Things happen, moulds, theft etc, so until I know the next crop is harvested and curing, I won't risk it, and it seems to meld nicely together and keep us all taken care of, so no, I would not only not risk it, I would rather make hemp oil and have it ready than not have stock to do it and need it.

Does that make any sense?


Money is not what growing is about for me, in the least. I don't think that will ever change for me.

Peace

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Originally Posted by kareem ahvunyun

if i dont get at least 3#s per plant outdoors, i throw that strain out and replace it with something worth havin in the garden.
indoors i veg for a couple months usually and end up with about 2 per plant most times...

i dont do cali and i give mine away free to med folks so prices are not important to me.

Not that it's any of my business but, how do you comply with the regulation while boasting these successes?

475.320 Limits on amounts possessed
(b) May possess up to six mature plants and up to 24 ounces of usable marijuana for each cardholder or caregiver for whom marijuana is being produced.
(c) May produce marijuana for no more than four registry identification cardholders or designated primary caregivers concurrently.

Would that limit growing to 8 plants among 5 people?

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Originally Posted by 4evergreen

In my opinion we should not ask any member to disclose if s/he grows for profit, this is something LEOs are after! We can learn a lot in GP without going personal
So please, before you post in this thread read this note

Yeah I didn't mean to implicate anyone but, it is that unspoken question that remains in our community.
I guess it stems from my feelings that many, regardless of the gains we have made simply disregard the legal means available to us and that those activities place us all in jeopardy of losing this hard-fought right.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Originally Posted by jangel

I have two patients. I have not made money off them, nor will I accept it, but they have insisted on contributing to some grow costs in other ways and have taken me shopping for things for the plants. I have offered to donate to a compassion center and no one ever responded and I tried several times. So far we have kept 5 of us supplied with medical needs. And I would not sell it in case at the other end we do not have a harvest. Things happen, moulds, theft etc, so until I know the next crop is harvested and curing, I won't risk it, and it seems to meld nicely together and keep us all taken care of, so no, I would not only not risk it, I would rather make hemp oil and have it ready than not have stock to do it and need it.

Does that make any sense?


Money is not what growing is about for me, in the least. I don't think that will ever change for me.

Peace

What you describe is what I have in mind. I'm only asking these set of questions to figure out how to go about remaining in compliance yet, growing efficiently.

[jangel]

Each person has to figure that out on their own Richard. Part of what it is about.

Peace

[I8ntLucky_UR]

Richard where I am in Canada our license is from the federal government based on individual usage/need. My license is for 5 gr./day which allows me to have 25 plants growing 1165 gr. on site and 150 gr. to carry on my person.

If I add a patient to this depending on their specific need/gr/day that would increase my totals as well. I may grow for another person one day it depends if I'm able to health wise and if I can actually grow any good too.\

If I sell it or give it away same charge trafficking. Even if someone gives me a loaf of bread for it same deal. Our lawmakers need to get a grip on reality to say helping another for medicine is trafficking. Sounds pretty dumb.

[The HSIC]

I have harvested one pound from one plant indoors---once in 20 years!

However, I spent years prior to that getting less than 1/2 ounce per plant...

I have never sold pot to any medical patient and couldn't sleep @ night if I did. I have friends who are legal but who suck at growing....it's a CONSTANT drama...mildew...bugs....mold...heat....you nmae it...they've seem to get it. therefore, I funnel a 1/2 pound their way or so per harvest. Another buddy is off/on with his garden....and I cover him when needed also. A third person gets a nice bag of trim that they make butter for and pass out to multiple folks. Lastly, a good friend who isn't legal but who is in the process who was diagnosed with major osteo at 30 also gets a sack oof nugs here and there....

and yeah....with $400 a month+ in electrical bills and 15K in dental work that BOTH the dental and medical insurance companies DODGED and left me hanging the bills...I tossed a bit out there for awhile and made a handsome profit...ALL of which went straight into my IMPLANT DENTIST'S POCKET. I didn't feel the influx whatsoever...and in my eyes...I was wronged by CORPORATE (both the insurance Co and the high dollar ortho/implant guy) and merely >>> balanced <<< things out.

All the rest of the time...I smoke as much as i can and when stuff gets old I make hash out of it and smoke that.

We too are only allowed 2 ounces in possession. however, we can flower 3 plants per card (2 card family) so we have 6 MONSTER plants...each baskking under their own 600 hps as our garden...plus a few sitting in the center "just in case' there's a glitch and I lose one/two...which in DWC w/hydroton always seems to happen once a cycle...

we can argue for more if there is a problem and we end up in ccourt...and MY argument will be that I can grow 6 plants and I shouldn't be forced to grow them POORLY just to stay in my weight limit.

in the end..f' em...f'em alll.

If the DE-f-tards wanna talk about crime....look at my MEDICAL COSTS YA BASTUUURDS!

over and out...legal and growing BIG.

ww

[kareem ahvunyun]

Originally Posted by The Pinks

Are you saying that you usually get ~2 lbs. per plant, dry weight, when grown indoors?

If so, you are part of an impossibly tiny minority, my brother. Tell me your secret!

no secrets here...
i plant clones in 40 gallon stock troughs.
veg for 3 months.
flower until ripe.
harvest.

the "secret", is it is alot of hard work.

[The HSIC]

My state is currently re-evaluating the 'caregiver" requirements and paramters and may soon make changes in thaat area.

At present there is no limit to how many people you can "caregive" for. at present most folks also consider the term "caregiver" as someone who grows meds for someone else who can;t/won't/doesn't want to/etc.

The State wants to change this to say that a "caregiver' is not only someone who may grow/obtain MMJ for their patient...but someone who will be required to show that they do FAR MORE for them than just grow (and SELL..UNFORTUNATELY), including taking them to the doctor, gooing to the store for them...and generally taking care of them in all facets of life.

Lotsa folks are sqwaukin'/// I'm on their side...but at the same time....I know far too many guys...some of whom are not legal themselves and do not smoke...who are taking up the banner and grabbing 10-15 patients...firing up BIG GROWS....and then CHARGING these POOR SOULS between $200 and $300 per ounce for their meds.

IF they were growing and giving it to these folks...and then "doing something else" with the spoils....I could stand behind what they do. If they were teaching their patirents HOW TO GROW along the way UNTIL THEY CAN BECOME SELF-SUFFICIENT I could stand behind what they do

however...I cannot stand behind SELLING meds to SICK PEOPLE. There was once a term called "COMPASSION" in California....they opened CLUBS under that umbrella...and then...well....the GREED came in......and now...now it's a big money game with meds being sold for MORE than street value.....

It's a fine line....but the bottom line to me is that "dispensaries" and growing and then SELLING to another patient/sick person is wrong...and I stronlgt feel that ************ IF************ you are going to SELL any of your meds for profit it should be to those who WORK and have a Ben for a sack on payday....NOT to someone who HAS TO CHOOSE RELIEF OVER FOOD OR OTHER NECESSITIES!

Have a friggin HEART d a m m i t!!!!!!

ww

[HerbalJoe]

Me I live in a state where green cards are avaible, My room mate has a mental condition which I think on phsycological grounds he qualifies for the use of cannabis as a medication, considering the ammount of medication and what medications he used to take before trying cannabis. He has approuched his shirnk about applying for a green card, but he his opposed to it. I believe he is opposed to it because my roommate doesnt have to pay his outragious prices for writing percriptions and emergancy office vists, because when he is on his regualr meds my roommate is sevral cards short of a full deck and a simple ant in the kitchen is liable to cause an emergancey vist to the shirnk, or the local hospital for a shot to calm him down. A simple joint 2-3 times daily stops that meltdown from ever happening. I decided to start growing inorder to supply him, so he doesn't have to deal the genral runaround, overly inflated prices, and possiably quality issues associated with that area. Also I am a student of holistic medicen and herbalism and it is a form of education. Lastly I find it interesting and fun, and like to have to skill just incase the world ends. I have smoked on ocasion but never more then once in a blue moon and doubt that simply because i am growing it that it will become somthing I avail myself to. I have not medical condition which merits medical use for myself. I do however know people who do have chronic conditions who could benifit from a supply of cannabis in order to improve their quality of life. I don't actully think I could grow inorder to sell it to others for a profit. I saw to many kids I went to school with abuse it and their lifes have been worse for it, have known people for whom their next joint is all they think about, people who really can't have fun unless they are high. I don't think I could help sombody do that.

Growing for me, will be, improveing the quality of life of another. Selfishly I might add because I have to live with him if he goes back on the meds. Also its something to do, I might do it anyway if i didn't have that reason, but i would likely end up donateing or throwing away the end product, simple to learn how so that I can add it to all the other things I can alraedy do.

Smoke them in good health
Joe

[ileso]

Originally Posted by windowpane watson

My state is currently re-evaluating the 'caregiver" requirements and paramters and may soon make changes in thaat area.

At present there is no limit to how many people you can "caregive" for. at present most folks also consider the term "caregiver" as someone who grows meds for someone else who can;t/won't/doesn't want to/etc.

The State wants to change this to say that a "caregiver' is not only someone who may grow/obtain MMJ for their patient...but someone who will be required to show that they do FAR MORE for them than just grow (and SELL..UNFORTUNATELY), including taking them to the doctor, gooing to the store for them...and generally taking care of them in all facets of life.

Lotsa folks are sqwaukin'/// I'm on their side...but at the same time....I know far too many guys...some of whom are not legal themselves and do not smoke...who are taking up the banner and grabbing 10-15 patients...firing up BIG GROWS....and then CHARGING these POOR SOULS between $200 and $300 per ounce for their meds.

IF they were growing and giving it to these folks...and then "doing something else" with the spoils....I could stand behind what they do. If they were teaching their patirents HOW TO GROW along the way UNTIL THEY CAN BECOME SELF-SUFFICIENT I could stand behind what they do

however...I cannot stand behind SELLING meds to SICK PEOPLE. There was once a term called "COMPASSION" in California....they opened CLUBS under that umbrella...and then...well....the GREED came in......and now...now it's a big money game with meds being sold for MORE than street value.....

It's a fine line....but the bottom line to me is that "dispensaries" and growing and then SELLING to another patient/sick person is wrong...and I stronlgt feel that ************ IF************ you are going to SELL any of your meds for profit it should be to those who WORK and have a Ben for a sack on payday....NOT to someone who HAS TO CHOOSE RELIEF OVER FOOD OR OTHER NECESSITIES!

Have a f u c k i n HEART d a m m i t!!!!!!

ww

i totally agree with this statement.
i mean your no better than pharma industries! who we all bit ch about.
i can understand selling ATCOST PRICE. to cover electric bills for the grows etc. but at 200-300 an ounce. your just another dealer. and you make the med community look like a farce.

i admit there are those that just want to grow and sell. but for fks sake. dont hide under the compassionate med banner like a woos! if all you want to do is grow and sell legally, like in a coffee shop style manner. admit it and fight for THAT!

its also your right to do so. i totally agree with it if its done like that. but to hide behind sick people makes you worst than the scum we are trying to get away from by growing our own.

they really should totally legalise the weed. if for nothing else to put profit orientated scum like this out of business.

[HerbalJoe]

Originally Posted by ileso

they really should totally legalise the weed. if for nothing else to put profit orientated scum like this out of business.

i get that I really do, but do you really think that leagalizeing it will get rid of those who seek to profit from it? I doubt it, they will just be bigger and more powerful people profiting from it. I would rather seed it contoled and for medical purposes only, then see it on the shelf at walmart at everyday low prices so the corporations can get rich off it.

Joe

[I8ntLucky_UR]

If someone goes through the proper process and legally grows it and legally sells it in my opinion you can't put the blame on that person. If it weren't for the black market the prices wouldn't be high. It is the illegal drug trade that sets the pricing for the drug.

If someone invests the time, effort, care and the money into growing something good it's not their fault the price is what it is at the end of the day. Can they sell it for less? Maybe but somewhere down the line someone will mark it back up to where the street will allow it.

And I have seen folks using med mj because it was their legal way just to use it so it goes both ways. They could just be an illegal user fighting the fight but why not dodge the bullet and hide behind staying out of jail?

[The HSIC]

my MMJ review doctor told me this year when I renewed that she has also seen an increase in people trying to become legal simply to dodge the possession charges/etc. and get high without medical need.

and thus, she will now only see patients 35 YEARS AND OLDER. (I'm an olde farte..no worries here!) hoiwever....it goes to show that the folks pushing the limits...either lying or selling to others...ARE changing the face of MMJ...

IMO...The prices for MMJ are set by those who seek to make a lot of $$$ and nothing more. Yes...if you give it away or sell it for next to nothing someone can profiteer off of you....ONCE....and then you cut the ungrateful bastard OFF and find someone truly needy to help.

just because someone else is a crook doesn't wipe away personal responsibility for your own actions/sales at high prices to other med people.

There is nothing as sad as a life without Compassion....

ww

[I8ntLucky_UR]

Originally Posted by windowpane watson

my MMJ review doctor told me this year when I renewed that she has also seen an increase in people trying to become legal simply to dodge the possession charges/etc. and get high without medical need.

and thus, she will now only see patients 35 YEARS AND OLDER. (I'm an olde farte..no worries here!) hoiwever....it goes to show that the folks pushing the limits...either lying or selling to others...ARE changing the face of MMJ...

IMO...The prices for MMJ are set by those who seek to make a lot of $$$ and nothing more. Yes...if you give it away or sell it for next to nothing someone can profiteer off of you....ONCE....and then you cut the ungrateful bastard OFF and find someone truly needy to help.

just because someone else is a crook doesn't wipe away personal responsibility for your own actions/sales at high prices to other med people.

There is nothing as sad as a life without Compassion....

ww

WW I agree with you as far as our lives need compassion. But as with life some people make money and give it away while others can't ever have enough.

If mj in general were to be legal then anyone could grow it have it smoke it then the price of it would be pennies. All the supply and no demand. IMO

[ileso]

ok.
just like cammomile tea!
I like cammomile tea, i grow my own. it doesnt cost me anything. i know i can buy it from gigantic multi million dollar tea companies but i dont.
if cannabis is de-legislated (which is what i preach rather than legalisation) people have a choice.
at the moment if you need med and you dont grow it. the market price is set by profiteers.. the illegal market. (as stated in the above comments)
my point is that given a chance no-one would buy buy it for the unreasonable price its currently at and that in an above the board market competition will actually bring the prices down to a more respectable level