Scrog Question

[bradley5671]

I will be starting a grow here in the next couple months and Im trying to get everything together. My question is where does everyone get their screen to do the scrog? I was thinking something plastic and premade that i could just ziptie to my container(its a rubbermaid)

chicken wire fencing......youll want at least a 3"x3" hole, and if you have the option got for the plasitc variety...it wont heat up as much under your light. you can get this by the foot ant lowes Home depot, or your local hardware store

[bradley5671]

awesome. thanks for the reply

no probleamo my brother

[4evergreen]

Hi there, you should look for plastic net, metalic net could create erosion plus overheating (two things you don´t want in your grow) You can buy it at any Home Depot, or you can Google for Trellis net (they have one that have some anti UV components)- On the other hand, you can also work with fishing line (#100) which will give you some flexibility at time of moving the plants bellow the net
But very important, the holes must be 2-3" (smaller holes and you will have a lot of breaking, larger holes will force you to tie the plant)
Good luck!

[chuckd420]

Or you could get yourself some of that orange net fence from a construction site. Free is always better

[justanotherbozo]

Originally Posted by chuckd420

Or you could get yourself some of that orange net fence from a construction site. Free is always better

don't mean to be a wet blanket but that wouldn't be free, it would be stolen.

integrity means following the rules, even when no-one is looking.

[ileso]

anything will do, you can even rig up some strong string or wire yourself... of just tie em down into the required format .. training..

[The HSIC]

Personally, we use the green or orange plastic snow fence.

[justanotherbozo]

Originally Posted by thothamon

Personally, we use the green or orange plastic snow fence.

and available at Lowes and Home Depot for very little money.

[4maggio]

High all. I have only grown SCROG but am venturing off to SOG because I want the flexability to grow multiple strains, in an effort to get to what floats my boat. None the less, I will SCROG those little girls when I get to the one.

I build the screen with 3/4 x 3/4 wood stock (Lowes) and weed wacker line, eyelets and a little weaving.. TADA! I like it because when it's over you can just cust the line and the PITA of cutting out the branches from the screen is less.. maybe I'm pissin in the wind but it seems easier to me. Of course, weaving it is a PITA at first.

I also use thes Orchid Clips that I found at the local florist.. very convienient and very good at holding a branch "in place". They gave them to me.

[justanotherbozo]

you're gonna laugh man but those little clip thingy's look just like the little
hair thingy's i used to put in both my daughters hair, lol.

btw, nice job on the SCROG and i agree it'd probably be a lot easier to harvest
if you can just cut the screen.

also, i have to warn you, running a SOG is highly addictive, you learn very
quickly to enjoy a steady supply of several different flavors of top quality bud.

oh yeah, here's a picture that illustrates a multi-strain SCROG from the top.

[4maggio]

Originally Posted by justanotherbozo

you're gonna laugh man but those little clip thingy's look just like the little
hair thingy's i used to put in both my daughters hair, lol.

btw, nice job on the SCROG and i agree it'd probably be a lot easier to harvest
if you can just cut the screen.

also, i have to warn you, running a SOG is highly addictive, you learn very
quickly to enjoy a steady supply of several different flavors of top quality bud.

oh yeah, here's a picture that illustrates a multi-strain SCROG from the top.

Dhat is a sick picture bozo! Photo contest winner type.
You must trim the hell out of them... That looks like a view from the jet planes window going thru the farm belt.
Is that grow documented somewhere?

Very impressive.

[blackpantherparty]

Wow, that is a really impressive scrog j.a.b. How much work is it to get something like that going? If you have a journal for that grow I'd love to see it!

[justanotherbozo]

Originally Posted by blackpantherparty

Wow, that is a really impressive scrog j.a.b. How much work is it to get something like that going? If you have a journal for that grow I'd love to see it!

while i'd really like to have been the guy responsible for that lovely little op,
i can't, i don't even remember where i found it so i can't point you guys to
a journal.

i have to say also that, as sweet as that little setup is, unless you're a
med-grower sticking to strict plant number restrictions, a SOG will out
perform that setup, hands down.

btw, to run a multi-strain SCROG like that would be just like a regular SCROG,
with the caveat that you'd probably not veg too long and you'd really need
to weave carefully to keep each strain in it's assigned block of screen.
once you flip it's all vertical growth.

[4maggio]

So you're telling me SOG wil out produce a SCROG grow.
I wouldn't think so but I guess this is one of those 'gray' areas that there is alot of 'back & forth" about. Whatever floats ones boat.

Plant numbers will outdo the training of a couple at the screen.
I've run 2 BBCheese girls under at the screen, 600hps/CO2 that produced 22zs dry.
That is no record (but pretty good), I'm sure but my personal best.
Trying that SOG (ona smaller scale) now, hope you're right.

I have some reservations about the plant numbers (SOG) and the laws.

Thanks bozo.

[justanotherbozo]

Originally Posted by 4maggio

So you're telling me SOG wil out produce a SCROG grow.
I wouldn't think so but I guess this is one of those 'gray' areas that there is alot of 'back & forth" about. Whatever floats ones boat.

Plant numbers will outdo the training of a couple at the screen.
I've run 2 BBCheese girls under at the screen, 600hps/CO2 that produced 22zs dry.
That is no record (but pretty good), I'm sure but my personal best.
Trying that SOG (ona smaller scale) now, hope you're right.

I have some reservations about the plant numbers (SOG) and the laws.

Thanks bozo.

i know how you feel man, i sweat the man too. i just know that, even were
i to get a med card, i'd never be able to live within their arbitrary limits.

btw, i'm moving into a new crib on June 1 so, once i get in and get some
cuts rooted, i'll be starting my SOG up again and i plan on starting a new
thread to document my progress and results for the group.

oh yeah, 22 zips off 2 plants is awesome man, i only average about a half
ounce per plant and i harvest 5 per week.

here's a pic of a bud grown by DrBudGreenGenes to show what i mean.
so i'll be harvesting 5 of these a week (God willing and the creek don't rise).

[4maggio]

I see.. 5 per week.. Impressive BUD!

I will do this for a few months but that seems like alot of 'continious' work... I own a retail business, I play golf and wifey wants some time too! Top it all off with "I'm a lazy bastard" and there isn't much time left.

SCROG = 2 weeks training, some trimming and not much after that.. check the res, etc.. hour a day, tops, not every day.

This is BBCheese but the run before the 22zs (didn't take pics of that one).. it only produced 16zs dry.. Also 2 plants but 400w/co2.

[justanotherbozo]

lol, yeah, it does take a bit more regular maintenance but, on the plus side,
because you're harvesting every week, you only have to trim 2 - 3 zips worth,
i can't imagine how much work it is trimming 22 zips!

also, you'd be surprised at how little attention i give my flowers, i spend way
more time maintaining my mothers, especially now when i can't use any of my
cuts.
it's really, really hard to nurture these babies and raise them up to become
moms, then to take cuts that you have to toss, lol, i hate it.

i can't wait to get into my new crib and get back into action again!

anyway, right now i have 25 mothers and 1 lone PPP male and i have to take
them out and give them all haircuts every 3 or 4 days or it becomes a jungle
in there, lol.

[4evergreen]

Hi 4Maggio and JustAnotherBozo, I also understood that in the same space ScrOG would out produce SOG, I am quoting here SCW, who have many, many and many ScrOG and SOG experiences:
" How much weight? I have shown that it is possible to reach around 2 oz. per ft. with a suitable plant and enough light density. 400 watt growers have reported up to 2.4 ounces per foot in a flat scrog. In a compressed grow, using shielded lights in a box of screen, I did nearly 2.6 ounces per foot, measured by canopy area. I suspect that 75 watts per sq. ft. is about the minimum to reach that kind of production, but I don't know for sure. Understand, that the HID scrog method has not been around very long, and results are sketchy. Your results may vary, but certainly you will do better using scrog than small- scale sea of green at any light density. As an experienced plantlet-method sea of green grower, I feel comfortable stating that as a fact"

Then he added:

"Any method of growing should be analyzed not only for production over the space used, but also for production over time. Just for the sake of argument, let's suppose a plantlet-method sea of green method produces 1 ounce per ft., and the subject plant takes 60 days to complete its life cycle. That would be .017 oz. per ft./day. Let's suppose a scrog grow takes two weeks longer, 74 days, and produces 1 1/2 oz. That would be .020 oz. per ft/day, advantage scrog. Let's suppose than an extended bog grow takes two more weeks than a scrog grow, 88 days, and produces 2 oz. That would be .023 oz. per ft. day., advantage extended bog"

In the same thread compiled by Giggles, there is an article written by PH, who is considered the father of the ScrOG method, actually "N.P. Kaye is in fact credited with the term "screen of green", which pH shortened to "ScrOG"
Here is what PH teach us:
"When flowered, only the slow growing buds are allowed to grow through the holes in the ScrOG. The resulting harvest profile is indeed a Sea Of Green but with much fewer plants and the increased yields gained from making use of the void spaces found in a conventionaly trained, non-SOG canopy"

One last quote from Greenmosnter714, who is a genious in MJ growing, he tell us:
"I cant express the joy I get from growing with this wonderful method. Through the years I have tried many ways but have never found a more productive growing method. I hope by passing on this information. Others will be more motivated to start their own scrog grow. If done correctly. I can almost gaurentee you will get more yield using the scrog than using the method you use right now. Considering the cost of electricity today. Getting the most out of your grow is the best way to go in my book. Good luck in all your goals and dreams. Give scrog a try. I doubt you will be disappointed"

But hey each one is a different world and probably what is productive for me it is not for you, but one thing for sure, I wish you the best whatever you decide. Here are two pictures of my ScrOG
Peace






One last thing, 4Maggio, I wanted to thank you for the Orchid clip idea, I am going to use it. I appreciate it