I'm not an LED guy but the technology has great promise, even for those of us raised on HID. I haven't been impressed by any of the current "standard" LED's or their results yet... but I'm keeping an eye on these for the future.

I've read elsewhere how these "Tri-Band" LED's are supposed to have licked the flowering deficiencies regular LED's have shown so far and I'm curious to know if anyone here has ran "TriBand Illuminators", similar to those found ar ProSource Worldwide, Inc. (ProSource Worldwide - LED Grow Lights w/ 5-Band Tri-Spectrum design. Newest technology available.).
I know of only one guy who's purchased the "Illuminator UFO" and said it was fine for veg growth... but he didn't strike me as a very experienced grower and I'd really like to see a side by side, controlled experiment on these things... with the same strains, nutes, etc. and all the way through veg & flower.

I did a similar comparison myself with Hempy Bucket vs. Soil and found very little difference myself. Decided that it wasn't worth the hassle without a drip system of something due to the frequent waterings HempyB needed. Of course... that's not my point here, just trying to find someone who's tested these lights out scientifically. I'd love to try them out but with such a serious investment, I'd rather find someone who's already done this and hopefully has some real data to show.

So... anybody... anybody... beuller?

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31 views and not even a frownie face or something? geesh. guess no one has tried these out yet or cares too.

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sorry bro, check out my incorrectly labeled thread-there is no hps-it was only on 3 hours when I pulled the plug-too hot.I use prosources tri band high output leds- I'm very happy.

great thread b4 and I really dug the link to the euro guys site

appreciate pointing me in the right direction... still reading through...

very nice work b4 and good documentation as well. looks like you've got more lights up than space to hang 'em though. After a couple hrs reading, it seems that they are ok but still a ways off from the claims. good to know for an old, cheap greybeard like me. already running a 1k HPS & MH, I'd be hard pressed to replace that in affordable LED's.

for anyone else stumbling across this... the thread in question:
http://www.greenpassion.org/f75/led-...strains-12808/

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with a 2,000+ pricetag there's just no way it could perform up to its cost, when compared to HID. You could build an entire room, including 2 1ks, both on movers, with AC and fans, still having money left over.

Just no way that 700watt light is going to come close to 6+ lbs every 2 months. It would be lucky to do 1/4 of that.

And this statement comes from experience?

I haven't seen that particular 700w LED in action but I've seen myriad different LED setups, most based on cree leds, and they simply don't perform at the same level as HPS.

I'd love someone to prove me wrong and pull 6+ from it, I'd change my lights immediatley. But nothing I've seen shows that as a possibility.

I see what you're saying, but a gram per watt is more than possible with the current tek- check out Dokkies 600 watt spectra box grow on Dampkring's website-you may find it interesting.A gram per watt does it for me, and I dont have to deal with the heat-

leds are an interesting thing
i have 2 original ufo 90 watters and they will grow well when u consider the wattage
im not sure if they are going to produce more watt for watt compared with an hps
if heat is an issue and u dont have an option of major ventilation then get one 90 watter and experiment
i dont think they can cover more than a 2 foot by 2 foot area
i was thinking 5 90 watt ufo leds for a 4 foot by 4 foot tent.......4 even and 1 in the middle.......450 watts should produce a ton of high quality bud
187 x 5= 935 plus shipping......or get a 600 hps digital with a cooled hood and exhaust and ull probably spend about 400 (setup plus an exhaust fan will be about 400$ plus shipping)..........choice is yours
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I work for ProSource. So, I want that to be known before I say what I'm about to say.

Forget the tri-band designs. We now have 5-band designs with far-red and infra-red to take advantage of the Emerson Enhancement Effect and also inhibit cannabis' shade avoidance system.

Here's a sneak peek: Why Choose Illuminator LED?

There have been some delays. But, we expect to open that site early next week. At that time, we will be closing the ProSource site and directing traffic to the Illuminator site. I'll also open up a new site called LEDGrower.org for documenting and discussing growing cannabis with our products.

When all this happens next week, I'll post a discount code here for GP members only. For the sake of clarity, GP is an affiliate of Illuminator LED, which means this site will get cash payments for any lights sold from here.

If you're thinking about LED, Illuminator is the only choice. But, I would advise waiting a few days. Because, next week you'll get a nice discount or free shipping or something and this site will receive financial support as a result of any sales originating here. ;)

Happy Growing!!

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i really want leds that can compare with hids
i EXPECT to pay a bunch more upfront.........but u dont have to replace bulbs and u dont have the exhaust issues either..........
maybe the 5band will be closer

Hey Michael, first I just want to say you work for an outstanding company-I've been using the original tri-band illuminators with great results.No kidding yal, I've been singing these guys praises for a year now.Any company thats going to let you try out their product for 90 days-thats pretty much a whole grow cycle-is not playing around.I havent tried the 5 band systems yet-but I know what my next purchase will be.The proof is in the pudding, and I've personally seen the difference in results between Prosource and the no-name units for sale on fleabay. Anyone considering an led purchase really should get in contact with these guys- and this is coming from someone thats been growing with these lights for many grows now.peace

Thank you Michael....this could indeed be very exciting folks!

peace

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well then... I'll be waiting for more reports to come, but I have to agree... the efficiencies make the price worth it, if they can deliver.

Maybe one day, I'll do the test comparison myself... but I'm too paranoid to publish the results.

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In a year, everyone will be switching to our lights.

Mark my words. By next July, everyone will be aware of Illuminator LED products.

HID lighting will be a thing of the past in five years - tops.

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dude... you know me, consider your words marked! ;)

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in a 4 foot by 4 foot space where im growing 16 huge aeroponic plants i currently use a 600 hps and c02 for a 10 week from 12/12 cycle i can yield about 25 oz (705 grams =1.175 grams per watt) dried romulus bud
what amount of led would i need to equal that production?........i can get the digital setup with an agromax bulb and the lifters for about 250$ at htg
can i spend less than a 1000$ and get equal harvest?..........so i would have 90 days to decide if i want to keep it?..........maybe ill be trying that out this fall
i was thinking i would need at LEAST the 300 watt led

You want the 350. You will get a larger grow area and nice canopy penetration.

The difference between the lamps is the 350 and the 700 are made with 3 watt LEDs, as well as 1 watt units. That's why they use more juice. But, that's also what gives them the penetration. The UFO & Flower Booster models are all 1 watt LEDs.

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hey ive got a job now, i can afford these!!!! sorry i just got really excited.

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right now im using 2600 hps watts for a room 10 by 12 - 7.5 foot high
using a co2 generator and 10000 btu air conditioner and 50 pint dehumidifier
im assuming 4 - 350 units would be perfect
what im looking to buy these for is my second room im working on
its between 3 and 4 foot wide (its an old closet and its half 3 and half 4) and about 12 feet wide and 8 foot tall.
last year i used a 600 for the 4 foot wide section thats also 4 foot long and 2-400 hps for the 3 foot wide section thats 6 foot long with 2 foot in the middle for moving around
i wasnt using co2 then but with almost 1.2 grams per watt with it i want to add it to this room..........BUT...........there is no way i can add an air conditioner and the hps will create too much heat.........
what would i want for those 2 sections...........btw i have a light mover on the 3 foot wide by 6 foot long section........which might help
would a 350 unit for the 4 x 4 and a 350 unit on the mover for the 3 x 6 be enough?
and do leds create enough light to utilize the co2?
if i use hps i cant close the closet and add co2