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Old 06-12-2008, 01:18 PM
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Scanners that see through clothing installed in US airports - Yahoo! News


Scanners that see through clothing installed in US airports



Tue Jun 10, 5:11 PM ET NEW YORK (AFP) - Security scanners which can see through passengers' clothing and reveal details of their body underneath are being installed in 10 US airports, the US Transportation Security Administration said Tuesday.

A random selection of travellers getting ready to board airplanes in Washington, New York's Kennedy, Los Angeles and other key hubs will be shut in the glass booths while a three-dimensional image is made of their body beneath their clothes.
The booths close around the passenger and emit "millimeter waves" that go through cloth to identify metal, plastics, ceramics, chemical materials and explosives, according to the TSA.
While it allows the security screeners -- looking at the images in a separate room -- to clearly see the passenger's sexual organs as well as other details of their bodies, the passenger's face is blurred, TSA said in a statement on its website.
The scan only takes seconds and is to replace the physical pat-downs of people that is currently widespread in airports.
TSA began introducing the body scanners in airports in April, first in the Phoenix, Arizona terminal.
The installation is picking up this month, with machines in place or planned for airports in Washington (Reagan National and Baltimore-Washington International), Dallas, Las Vegas, Albuquerque, Miami and Detroit.
But the new machines have provoked worries among passengers and rights activists.
"People have no idea how graphic the images are," Barry Steinhardt, director of the technology and liberty program at the American Civil Liberties Union, told AFP.
The ACLU said in a statement that passengers expecting privacy underneath their clothing "should not be required to display highly personal details of their bodies such as evidence of mastectomies, colostomy appliances, penile implants, catheter tubes and the size of their breasts or genitals as a pre-requisite to boarding a plane."
Besides masking their faces, the TSA says on its website, the images made "will not be printed stored or transmitted."
"Once the transportation security officer has viewed the image and resolved anomalies, the image is erased from the screen permanently. The officer is unable to print, export, store or transmit the image."
Lara Uselding, a TSA spokeswoman, added that passengers are not obliged to accept the new machines.
"The passengers can choose between the body imaging and the pat-down," she told AFP.
TSA foresees 30 of the machines installed across the country by the end of 2008. In Europe, Amsterdam's Schipol airport is already using the scanners.
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"Once the transportation security officer has viewed the image and resolved anomalies, the image is erased from the screen permanently. The officer is unable to print, export, store or transmit the image."
Lara Uselding, a TSA spokeswoman, added that passengers are not obliged to accept the new machines.
"The passengers can choose between the body imaging and the pat-down," she told AFP.
TSA foresees 30 of the machines installed across the country by the end of 2008. In Europe, Amsterdam's Schipol airport is already using the scanners.
Ya, sure. If you choose to disagree and not be scanned, you will most likely be taken to the back and strip searched. Just another indignaty. I wonder if the higher up's eg presidents, prime minister, wealthy dignataries, have to also submit to this. Anyone that has been through an airport since 9-11 knows how this goes. This has happened to me when travelling to the U.S.

question: Where are you going and who are you going to see?

answer : friends of mine.

question: Did you meet them in person or on the internet, how did you meet, where you introduced by a third party?

answer:(in my mind)I met them through a cousin by different grandparents of mine. NOW f--- off)

answer: (Really) a relative introduced us.

question: Where did you meet them, and when and who where you with?

Final answer:
ENOUGH! I have known these people since I was two and no they are not terrorists! One is a vietnam vet for Ceeeeerist sake!

This took a half hour. They finally let me go to board my plane. PITA!
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well well, then they light years ahead with those things compared to some R&D i'm involved in - we still have trouble to simply measure the size of an metric cube and they want to have full production scale scanners that can look thru fiber mash and all?! BS, bet those things work just as well as these digital finger print scanners (biometric in general) they push as the ultimate access control. all that watched the episode, the one where they fooled one after another security gadget with simples tricks as fooling finger print secured lock or IR motion detectors, of mythbusters have a clue where i'm aiming at
or the time they tried to introduce in europe these biometric ID controls at airports and the some end politician that, pushed this all also, could be identified - besides that he was the only one that was in the system at the time (this brain fart is also the cause of the idea to put RSID chips into IDs)

and now all of a sudden this should work - sure, with IR waves you can more or less see thru light cotton fabrics and this approach is based on the same idea and only uses a way longer wavelength. but telling by the amount of trouble it is to get this wavelength under control and to an working fashion it is still some time i would say.
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Ya, sure. If you choose to disagree and not be scanned, you will most likely be taken to the back and strip searched. Just another indignaty. I wonder if the higher up's eg presidents, prime minister, wealthy dignataries, have to also submit to this. Anyone that has been through an airport since 9-11 knows how this goes.
that is the point, we get a extra lash with the nines and the keep walkin on their red carpet and paying their bills with our money.... AAAAAaaaaarrrr!!!
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Just wait... In another 10 or 20 years it will be all over the private sector...

Scanning everyone as they enter a mall, bus station, etc...


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Just wait... In another 10 or 20 years it will be all over the private sector...

Scanning everyone as they enter a mall, bus station, etc...

Then the "New" miracle fiber that blocks these waves will start and Low and behold, a new Industry, to foil these things. Look what happened with Radar busters etc.

Now tell me something: with all this hype about electrical waves causing cancer, (hydro feilds near school yards and the data that there are higher rates of juvenile cancers due to this; grey electrical fields also causing cancer, cell phones and more brain and ear cancers due to such wide use, etc) have they a clue what this does to the people they are scanning down the road, years later? No. Think of all the hype when x-rays first came out and how people where "energized" by drinking waters treated with uranium. What do they know about this? BEFORE scanning people with it.....Nothing. This really scares me.
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So When will the cops be driving by your house and point that thing at your house and take pixs of what you have in your home.If they can do it now in airports who's to say they dont do it to your homes you and everything they want too.How will they control the not so legal use of this scanner.It's crazy they make 11 pills to give a man a hardon and they cant cure the common cold.They can look through your closes and look at your body but can not see what's wrong with it.Just how many so called terrorist do they catch with this scanner.If they do find something under someones closes they put them through all the hoops to find out that grandma got a smack cake under her dress so she dosnt get hungary and have to eat airline food.It's just another way of control of the people. Peace
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A related bit of high tech, from the mid '80's. My brother-in-law, a nuclear physicist, worked with one of the worlds most powerful lasers. He told me of making hollow, spherical, Christmas tree ornaments, with the laser. Also, with the laser, printed, "Peace on Earth, Good Will Toward Men." I thought that was impressive enough. But, then he told me that 300 of them fit on the head of a pin. I never saw this in any magazine articles or on TV, so I don't know if it was to be public knowledge, or if he was, maybe, BSing me. My reaction was, "If we can do things like this, why can't we feed the people, repair the damage we have done to the planet, etc,...?"

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My reaction was, "If we can do things like this, why can't we feed the people, repair the damage we have done to the planet, etc,...?"

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...cause that way, there would be less for the fat cats. Less oil used...less tobacco...less meds. All about what makes the rich richer and the poor, well, dead.
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I have been personally 'terrorized' at airport security stations with people screaming at me and demanding to know what I had hidden that made their scanners go off. it was my belt buckle and it was before 9-11. Since that time I only wear a skirt, a shirt and flip flops, THATS IT.And yet everytime I get pulled off to the side for a full body search. Today I try not to take a flight anywhere and when I do I know what will happen. WHY? because they can and stupid people think they are getting on a secure flight because of this. I have never done anything to get on their search list but Im always searched....Stoopid not secure. They only thing I can do is not use their facilities.
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Because this is a profit based system and not a resource based system. Profit comes before advancment, technology, and people in order to compete in a profit based society. Watch the movie Zeitgeist 2.
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So When will the cops be driving by your house and point that thing at your house and take pixs of what you have in your home.If they can do it now in airports who's to say they dont do it to your homes you and everything they want too.How will they control the not so legal use of this scanner.It's crazy they make 11 pills to give a man a hardon and they cant cure the common cold.They can look through your closes and look at your body but can not see what's wrong with it.Just how many so called terrorist do they catch with this scanner.If they do find something under someones closes they put them through all the hoops to find out that grandma got a smack cake under her dress so she dosnt get hungary and have to eat airline food.It's just another way of control of the people. Peace
Too bad there isn't a type of house paint that would prevent this. Where there is a market someone (hopefully) will fill the need.
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The govt already outlawed it...lead based paint...
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Well I love this type of security article. All I can say is there are more techniques used that you will never know about that are on you at all times. All courtesy of Homeland Security. Be dammned careful but dont immediately change your lifestyle and routine as these may be triggers for further involvment. Just keep the stuff to yourself and ONLY yourself. Dont tell anyone I dont care how close they are to you. Dont have seeds sent to you directly at your grow show or anything else relating to this subject. Dont go nuts when you see some nice buds growing and prove this to your friends. "friends" get greedy and eventually pissed off. Your had at that point and it's time to shut it down. Abort mission!!! I say this not from personal experience but from seeing it happen to fellow growers who just had to prove something to someone else. Just dont do it and you'll never be out there risking your ass buying Pot and it's truly awesome to know you created this reward!. Awesome payback dude just be cautious. Keep up the good work!
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