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09-03-2009, 07:08 AM
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Rep Power: 216 | | Grandma busted for growing By John Borsa Story Published: Sep 2, 2009 at 7:54 PM EDT Story Updated: Sep 2, 2009 at 7:54 PM EDT The seven-foot high plant was growing on the front porch, in plain view of neighbors, in a large pot. Last week, police seized it along with six others growing on the property of a Town of Evans home. Officials say it was marijuana and the resident claimed she was growing it for medical reasons. "She said she needs it to treat her arthritis and glaucoma," said Capt. Charles Danzi. The woman, identified at Barbara Ober, 62, is charged with misdemeanor growing and possessing marijuana. Her family is furious. "It seems to work for her," said husband John Ober. "She doesn't smoke a lot, but it does help her." 13 states allow marijuana to be used for medicinal purposes. New York is not one of them. There's currently a bill under consideration in Albany that would allow people to purchase and grow marijuana with a doctor's permission. Ober's family said it's time for New York to legalize medical marijuana and reap the benefits of taxing the plant. Law enforcement officials disagree. It's illegal for a reason," said Capt. Danzi. "People, when they smoke it, they do stupid things and they get hooked on it and they start stealing. No, any legalized drugs I don't think it's a good idea." http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/56749...?video=YHI&t=a
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09-03-2009, 08:23 AM
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oh for goodness sake   .need i say more?
this 62 yr old woman ain't gonna start doin stupid things get hooked and start stealing?
huh! she's not the stupid one. i know who is!!
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Legalize!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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the LEO comment  hard to believe there are still people who really think that way about our beloved cannabis over grow the world
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When Nanna Is getting busted for growing her meds... it time to legalize NY..
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[/QUOTE] It's illegal for a reason," said Capt. Danzi. "People, when they smoke it, they do stupid things and they get hooked on it and they start stealing. No, any legalized drugs I don't think it's a good idea." http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/56749...?video=YHI&t=a [/QUOTE]
This is the propaganda that makes me sick. Apparently there is a "legitimate" fear that grandma is gonna smoke some devil weed, grab an AR-15 Semi Automatic Rifle and go knock over a bank because she has lost all sense of reality and slipped into absolute depravity. Why are the majority of people not up in arms about such vitriolic and absurd sentiments that permeate this farce, the "drug war" which is really a shadow war on liberty, a front for capitalist opportunist greed at the expense of human sensibility and compassion, reason and common observable sense? Bill Maher has an opinion on the subject and I agree, the complacency experienced (here in the U.S., at the least) is resultant of the absolute ignorance and stupidity that are the hallmark of the majority of the public, a direct failure of our government to prioritize education above profits and the preservation of the status quo for the unjustly empowered. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....... 
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09-03-2009, 03:41 PM
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Rep Power: 69 | | It's illegal for a reason," said Capt. Danzi. "People, when they smoke it, they do stupid things and they get hooked on it and they start stealing. No, any legalized drugs I don't think it's a good idea." http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/56749...?video=YHI&t=a [/QUOTE]
This is the propaganda that makes me sick. Apparently there is a "legitimate" fear that grandma is gonna smoke some devil weed, grab an AR-15 Semi Automatic Rifle and go knock over a bank because she has lost all sense of reality and slipped into absolute depravity. Why are the majority of people not up in arms about such vitriolic and absurd sentiments that permeate this farce, the "drug war" which is really a shadow war on liberty, a front for capitalist opportunist greed at the expense of human sensibility and compassion, reason and common observable sense? Bill Maher has an opinion on the subject and I agree, the complacency experienced (here in the U.S., at the least) is resultant of the absolute ignorance and stupidity that are the hallmark of the majority of the public, a direct failure of our government to prioritize education above profits and the preservation of the status quo for the unjustly empowered. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......   [/QUOTE]
Just an aside, but shouldn't we re-examine ALL pre-civil rights era legislation??      
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09-03-2009, 04:23 PM
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Rep Power: 216 | | Ya it is hard to believe that there are still people who know nothing about what they are talking but still they push their ignorance on an old woman for example, They look like fools with no clue on tv, I was going to call him a backwards redneck sherriff like you would see on Dukes of Hazard, but I will tell you what, I know rednecks who are some of the most intelagent marijuana growers, they don't just have some of the best crops but they also know the marijuana and what it's about and what it's good for !!!! OMG when will this change. Sorry about ramblin on,, men like them just drive me nuts
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09-03-2009, 08:29 PM
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I think that this type of thinking can be related to maybe a white man who lived through the civil rights movement... I know my grandfather still has some pretty strong views on minorities (although not very vocal about them anymore thank god) but after a while I started to see it differently. He was brought up in a society that didn't approve of black people being involved in much of anything, and that's what he believed... he believed that they had no redeeming value and no one was going to tell him different. Even after decades of so called civil rights improvements he still has some of those underlying thoughts and feelings, but not because he is a bigot but because that is what he was taught to believe as a child and young man.
The same thing I think applies to old timer law enforcement types. Back in the Reagan years everyone was taught that all drugs were equally bad, and evil and whatever else they called it. Cops, lawyers, judges and politicians were all brought up in this era of drugs equal evil and anyone involved is ****ed and its hard to change that perspective in the older generation. I believe that the steps made recently in the movement towards legalization or at least decriminalization of marijuana will have they're biggest impact on the next generation of the law enforcement community. Although I don't think that the mindset of the old timers is keeping up with the times (as I don't believe my grandfathers thoughts on minorities are acurate) I can understand why they think the way they do and I believe time will be the biggest thing affecting change for this cause.
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09-03-2009, 08:37 PM
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The Leo´s answer sounded like a robotic answer, isn´t it? LEOs repeat and repeat those words that they have recieved in the accademy or being told to say when asked. I really feel sorry for that woman, but I also feel sorry for those who have been brainwashed
So sad story!
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09-03-2009, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by operator1 I think that this type of thinking can be related to maybe a white man who lived through the civil rights movement... I know my grandfather still has some pretty strong views on minorities (although not very vocal about them anymore thank god) but after a while I started to see it differently. He was brought up in a society that didn't approve of black people being involved in much of anything, and that's what he believed... he believed that they had no redeeming value and no one was going to tell him different. Even after decades of so called civil rights improvements he still has some of those underlying thoughts and feelings, but not because he is a bigot but because that is what he was taught to believe as a child and young man.
The same thing I think applies to old timer law enforcement types. Back in the Reagan years everyone was taught that all drugs were equally bad, and evil and whatever else they called it. Cops, lawyers, judges and politicians were all brought up in this era of drugs equal evil and anyone involved is ****ed and its hard to change that perspective in the older generation. I believe that the steps made recently in the movement towards legalization or at least decriminalization of marijuana will have they're biggest impact on the next generation of the law enforcement community. Although I don't think that the mindset of the old timers is keeping up with the times (as I don't believe my grandfathers thoughts on minorities are acurate) I can understand why they think the way they do and I believe time will be the biggest thing affecting change for this cause. | But this is the very definition of a bigot. If when confronted with facts, and they choose to ignore such information, ignorance is an appropriate label. I know many people who lived through civil rights era U.S. of all creeds and colors, and there are those who accept these facts, and those who ignore them. It is a decision.
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09-03-2009, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 4evergreen The Leo´s answer sounded like a robotic answer, isn´t it? LEOs repeat and repeat those words that they have recieved in the accademy or being told to say when asked. I really feel sorry for that woman, but I also feel sorry for those who have been brainwashed
So sad story!
Peace | Again, brainwashing is only effective on the willing, once facts are revealed to the person in question. Or it is in the case of law enforcement officers. For one shining example of how this can be overcome with reasonable examination, try finding some information on ex-DEA agent, highly decorated and acclaimed, who has since turned to leading the subversion of the affront on civil liberties that is the "drug war", Barry Cooper. He has produced at least two instructional vids for us, and is an outspoken critic of this farce. He is not alone.
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Originally Posted by Deb-HAS-grn Law enforcement officials disagree. It's illegal for a reason," said Capt. Danzi. "People, when they smoke it, they do stupid things and they get hooked on it and they start stealing. No, any legalized drugs I don't think it's a good idea." | Obviously this oeker has his head stuck, filled with prejudice, assumption and ignorants of how cannabis heals and stands above true addictive drugs called pharmaceuticals.
Cannabis makes you do stupid things?
How about you oeker, saying stupid things?
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09-04-2009, 03:10 AM
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Rep Power: 460 | | It's illegal for a reason," said Capt. Danzi. "People, when they smoke it, they do stupid things and they get hooked on it and they start stealing. No, any legalized drugs I don't think it's a good idea."
WTF!!!!!
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Rep Power: 367 | | Quote: Law enforcement officials disagree. It's illegal for a reason," said Capt. Danzi. "People, when they smoke it, they do stupid things and they get hooked on it and they start stealing. No, any legalized drugs I don't think it's a good idea." | Ya, That's Very Sad, Very Sad...Most Definitely Mr.Captain Five-O, I Hope He Got His Raise~!!!:( | | The Following User Says Thank You to Hatch For This Useful Post: | | 
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Originally Posted by 4evergreen The Leo´s answer sounded like a robotic answer, isn´t it? LEOs repeat and repeat those words that they have recieved in the accademy or being told to say when asked. I really feel sorry for that woman, but I also feel sorry for those who have been brainwashed
So sad story!
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I got to thinking about what you said 4ever, What I have come up with for myself is,, I can't feel sorry for him but I do feel sorry for the whole battle that is going on between them and us. It should not be a battle, battle sounds so much like a war doesn't it. But what other words can you use for what is happening here, The sad thing is we are forced to relate marijuana with battle or what you have to fight for just to be legal. My mind just keeps going back to the sixties and early seventies when the word was peace, that is the word that deserves to be in the same sentence as marijuana. My point is, no matter what they do, no matter what they say, I don't need to lash out, be angry or point the finger at ignorance. What I need to do is throw all of their negative crap away and keep a positive go forward for the cause kind of attitude. Care for and help the Grandmas, Families, Neighbors, the Sick and the caregivers and not to forget the advocates that put themselves out there in the open, all for the cause. We need to keep an eye on what the so called enemy is doing, we need to keep the education out there, but we don't need to let them fill us with the kind of anger they seem to feel towards us peace loving pot heads......
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Originally Posted by Deb-HAS-grn I got to thinking about what you said 4ever, What I have come up with for myself is,, I can't feel sorry for him but I do feel sorry for the whole battle that is going on between them and us. It should not be a battle, battle sounds so much like a war doesn't it. But what other words can you use for what is happening here, The sad thing is we are forced to relate marijuana with battle or what you have to fight for just to be legal. My mind just keeps going back to the sixties and early seventies when the word was peace, that is the word that deserves to be in the same sentence as marijuana. My point is, no matter what they do, no matter what they say, I don't need to lash out, be angry or point the finger at ignorance. What I need to do is throw all of their negative crap away and keep a positive go forward for the cause kind of attitude. Care for and help the Grandmas, Families, Neighbors, the Sick and the caregivers and not to forget the advocates that put themselves out there in the open, all for the cause. We need to keep an eye on what the so called enemy is doing, we need to keep the education out there, but we don't need to let them fill us with the kind of anger they seem to feel towards us peace loving pot heads...... | beautifully articulate debs!! very well said!
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Originally Posted by Deb-HAS-grn By Law enforcement officials disagree. It's illegal for a reason," said Capt. Danzi. "People, when they smoke it, they do stupid things and they get hooked on it and they start stealing. No, any legalized drugs I don't think it's a good idea." http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/56749...?video=YHI&t=a | Sounds like "Reefer Madness" all over again. . . Watch out for the stupid stealing pot heads!
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