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05-06-2008, 09:25 PM
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Two years ago I was on 120 mgs of Methadone a day. No, not because previous use of marijuana but because of legal prescriptions from doctors that addicted me to opiates. I have been on Methadone for over 10 years, today I am nearing the end of my 2 year Campaign to detox off of Methadone  . It saved my life and that of my son's. I also use MMJ to control chronic nausea/vomiting. Through this I have found out that MMJ helps in the anxiety of opiate withdrawals. I'm sure it also helps the pain but I didn't have any pain, just a constant state of anxiety unique to opiate withdrawals. You who have been there know what I mean. I just wanted to share this with anyone else who might find this info helpful. Peace...
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05-06-2008, 09:42 PM
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good luck really from the bottom of my heart.Trust Me i know tht stuff is wicked,god bless you.
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05-06-2008, 09:46 PM
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Eltone we all love ya, I know it is a hard road. Ya ever need anything, or just wanna talk, drop me a PM.
Peace
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05-07-2008, 01:29 AM
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dude ive been on the tang for 31/2 years now and i find eating a 2 gm bud before sleep is so helpful im down to 7mls a day from 95mls a year ago and my joints (knees,hips,elbos) are killing me approx 10 hrs after my drink but if it wasnt for mj i would still be at 95mls stupid oxycotin is to blame and the quacks that perscribe it, i have a friend his 14 year old daughter who has spinal bifida was perscribed oxys and he had no clue what they were! once i told him to research it a little, he is no longer to go with his daughter to the doctors anyway keep on keepin on brother..kenkenniff
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05-07-2008, 01:35 AM
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Feel the love in the thread! Makes you wonder why they wanna arrest us, know what i mean?
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05-07-2008, 10:30 AM
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Yeah, last night about 2:30 am I started with the leg kicks, and this is going down slowly! It is incredible how addictive anything opiate related is. Those of us who know this drug and the body know why. Opiates attach to the brains opiate receptors and shut down normal bodily functions i.e. the release of endorphines. Which is why we get sick and feel alot of pain while withdrawing. Think about it, this is the exact image the U.S. Gov't portrays to the people of America as to the use of marijuana. Sen Tom Harkin (D-IA) and Sen Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Rep Leonard Boswell (D-IA) all (especially Sen Tom Harkin senior senate member) agree that and state in their "War On Drugs Letter" that, "If you smoke marijuana you will find yourself huddled in a corner willing to sell your children for just one more puff of marijuana." I sent Harkins letter, where he lumps marijuana in the same catagory as heroin, cocaine and meth, to NORML and they put it on their front page a couple months ago, for Harkin, and others, have been sending out the same stupid letter for over 10 years or longer. Anyway thanks for all your emotional support. If this were a cold turkey withdrawal I wouldn't even be able to turn my computer on. My advice is stick with cannabis  . Peace...
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05-07-2008, 04:50 PM
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05-07-2008, 11:44 PM
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Absolutely  , you are very wise to notice that. In fact my heroin addiction brought me closer to God. For when you find yourself going to the South Bronx or the lower east side of Manhattan before you can go to work on Madison Ave., you are not in control of your own life. The man on the street with the heroin owns you, and that's a scary feeling. I use to have a friend who would sell a gram of heroin to some NY Sate politician. Whenever I saw a black stretch limo outside this run down tenement building in alphabet city (Ave A, B, C, etc. Manhattan's lower east side) I would either wait for it to leave or go somewhere else. But now that I am down to 8 Mgs a day from 120 Mgs a day of methadone I can feel the opiates leave my body and my body returning back to normal. I had to leave NYC and come to Iowa to get away from old places, friends, etc. Luckily I received my first methadone dose within 24 hours of applying for the methadone maintenance program in Iowa. They only had about 95 clients including the Medical Examiner for the state of Iowa, back in the 90's. But now it is coming to an end  and I have to fight the politicians for my truely healing medicine, Medical Marijuana, preferably the Orange Kush, what a great medicine and it tastes so good. Peace and thanks for everyone's support I will make it. For tonight I have some Breyer's Vanilla Fudge Twirl if I start to get the leg kicks again, but I've felt pretty good today so hopefully the worst is over...Later...and thanks again everyone.
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05-08-2008, 12:23 AM
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Eltone,
I admire your courage. Hang in there and, as you know, soon life will be returning to a more normal level and you'll have nuthin' but bud..
ISO
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05-08-2008, 01:11 AM
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Thanks ISO, I really do feel that the worst is over and I am committed to be narcotic free.  is the only thing for me.
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05-08-2008, 04:24 AM
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yo el im in Canada and on the methadone program and i was informed by my doctor that lately he has had a few patients that have gone down to buffalo with a prescription from him to get a drug called subutex or suboxone it is designed to help your body cope with the withdrawal symptoms via pain receptors it apparently blocks all opiates much like methadone if you have not heard of it Google it ,unfortunately for me and all other canucks we have to go to the states and smuggle it back into canada if we want it because its not available in Canada! For people on low doses of methadone it is proven to be a very good alternative to methadone i,ve read on another site that from start to finish it takes 30-60 days to go from 30mgs a day of meth to being clean and sober apparently patients on subutex only suffer for 24-48 hours and it much milder than all other opoids. i my self am going to try to continue to lower my methadone dose a ml a week until i reach 3mls then try to go cold turkey i was down to 5.5 mls a day but at my pharmacy there was a new pharmacist and he gave me a dose of 550 mls in one shot as soon as i swolloed it i knew something was wrong and by the time the ambulance arrived i was unconscious and had to get my stomach pumped and get a narcenon shot to the heart and spent 2 weeks in intensive care (i,m still in ligation for that i want a 1/4 million) anyways sorry for rambling on in your thread but keep up the hard work im rooting for you ,and check out subutex you might like what you see
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05-08-2008, 12:17 PM
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550mls, WOW What a screw up he made. You deserve everything you can get money wise and more. Yes I've heard of those meds, but I always thought they were an option to methadone treatment. I admit I have only heard of them, I am not educated as to their exact uses. As this is my 2nd day on 8 mgs I think I've gone threw a major part of adjusting my body, for I went down 2.5 mgs (milligrams) every 2 weeks from 120 mgs a day. Then stayed at 50 mgs for 2 months then continued down 2 mgs every 2 weeks. I will be at 0 mgs on or around June 2-8th. This is the culmination of an almost 2 year detox. My main purpose for shareing this is I was really scared of detoxing and going through withdrawals, but the way I was allowed to detox frankly was a peice of cake. Ya know kennkenniff it's funny you guys come here for that, when I use to pick up 222's if I went through Canada, you know aspirin with 2mg of codiene. Also I'd like to try Sativex to see how efficient it is in controlling chronic nausea and vomiting but it is not available here as it is in Canada. I don't think they will ever improve on a delivery system for marijuana that beats the vaporizor, although I have yet to try one. I will be rooting for you and your case, I don't see how you can lose, thank God it didn't kill you. Years ago, in the 70's, the same thing happened in New York City. Instead of getting 90 mgs every patient accidently got 900 mgs and 6-10 people died. Thanks for taking time to contact me and sharing your story with me. Do not ever be afraid of "Rambling On" when you contact me, just use as little or as many words needed to say what you or anyone else for that matter. Peace and best wishes...
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05-22-2008, 12:48 AM
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Hey everyone. Just thought I'd update you on my progress of Methadone Detox using MMJ to ease withdrawal symptoms since opiates excaterbate my Gastro Paresis, and that really sucks to be sick with that  . Anyway last week I was sick for 3 days where my 4 mg's of methadone didn't even have a chance to be absorbed. It was very uncomfortable, anxiety, leg jerks etc. Now I am well from that and BOOM I get a cold  so yesterday the bodie aches I'm not use to feeling as the cold was coming on were uncomfortable but bearable. I take my last 2 mg's on May 30, 2008. Whew, the end of a 2 year struggle (just to Detox), thank you God with your strength I made it!  . Funny thing is, my GP and my Methadone Counselor seem to be trying to tell me not to get off Methadone, that a person can safely take Methadone for the rest of there life with no complications. Oh yeah, except for one, it is more addictive and harder to kick than heroin, but if done slowly over the necessary period of time it can be done with minimal withdrawals, and marijuana is illegal with no accepted medical value and is addictive, BULLISHIT!!! But who wants to be 75 years old and addicted to methadone. Having to go to the clinic and follow there rules. Screw that, if I ever need a narcotic, like Tussionex Suspension, for this cough, I can do that because I have killed the monkey that has been on my back since I first sniffed heroin in 1983. WARNING: Heroin Steals your Soul  , Cannabis enlightens it  . Make the right choice. Peace...
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05-27-2008, 11:26 AM
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Hey Friends. I DID IT  !!! At only 2mgs a day for 5 more days I will be totally off Methadone. Last week while I was sick was also when I went through the major final Methadone withdrawal symptoms. Even my Dr says that 2 mg is more for a psychological step to help the patients for only 2 mgs of Methadone is not enough to even feel. What a tough battle it was and Medical Marijuana was a great help. Thanks for everyone's encouagement. Now we need to get rid of Macaffrey who says that smoking is not an acceptable delivery system for Medical Marijuana. Wake up jerk ever hear of a VAPORIZOR  ? Anyway many thanks and best wishes to all. Peace...
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