At first this was funny...but then I got to thinking it really ain't..Damn this world has changed! Is it really all "for the better?"


SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2007

Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1957 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Ret urns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.

Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane pain t bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1957 - Ants die.
2007 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confisc ated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

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once we used common sense and compassion - it worked well for us and didn't cost a fortune. Now we act without real compassion nor common sense but under the influence of P.C. (a fraudulent "moral" code that reduces free speech) we deteriorate to sheeple that can make no further decisions on our own without gov employees, so bureaucrats - we ask those for help that slow us to a stand still in the first place and expect that their advise will help us - ridiculous!


never the less, a slightly lighter use of the belt might not be a too bad thing, at time it been a bit excessive back in the days. Just being able to spend more time with your kids thru the week will already improve things i think. back in my childhood days there was always someone home, either my granny or my mom that took care that i would do my homework and jobs before wandering off or heading over to friends.

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funny, ok im in my mid 20's wow that feels weird saying that "Im Getting Old!!!!!!!!"J/K Well i just said "JK" so i guess not that old, anyway. I was whooped as a kid and if i was bad again i was whooped again, Mom and Dad. Had i told someone like a teacher or something, i feel that they would have seen some trouble. That would have been devestating to me, but looking back on it im glad it happened, i hurt yes, but its like getting punched in the face, (kinda, but with a paddle or loving mothers hand on your o so tender back side, sorry ......awe memories,) ur not gonna go looking to get punched again, are u?

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Yup, it does seem like the world is going to "hell in a hand basket". I got the belt when I was a kid and it sucked. Did I deserve it, hell ya! Did it deter me from doing the bad thing again, double hell ya! Hopefully common sense will prevail and the world will not implode on itself.

Here's hoping,
R

When my son was 7 in public school I got called to the school as he had a "weapon" in his lunch bag. I got there, it was a butter knife I packed so he could spred liverwurst on crakers. I just looked at them, and turned around and walked out. I said this is just stupid. But I had to make sure in the future all spreaders where plastic, not metal. They have the power to make your life hell.

Peace

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I used to get whooped, but most times I would do it (what ever "it" was) again; I just learned to do it better!

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I'm in the same boat man. Going on 23 here, and I got an occasional whooping when I stepped out of line. In one regard this is a sure fire way of reducing the chance that the act in question will happen again. In other aspects there are some things that can be talked out with kids. But Its obvious the span of differences with a child can't all be solved on an intellectual plane. You are dealing with a child! They don't yet understand the reasons behind "why?". They do however understand that "if this equals my cheeks stinging for the next 2 hours... i probably shouldn't do it."

Should we beat the idea of "bad equals pain" into there brains like the tv beats the idea of "buy equals good" into us? no. But a slap or two to correct them every so often, won't hurt the outcome of there personality. Its the lack of being beaten when your wrong that makes you a bad person, because that's when they start to think its ok.

Wow...you all sure picked up on the "whooping" part!

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of:

Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

These things, while funny, really highlight for you younger folks some of the differences that exist now vs. "then".

My dad didn't "spare the rod" either, but it was never something that was overbearing in life...fact was, if I did the crime, I took the punishment. My dad never once whacked me with a belt that I didn't have it coming..and it didn't hurt me one bit. On top of that, my dad and I have been good friends as well as business partners for many, many years.

I also remember some stuff he and I pulled that had my mom pissed at us for weeks at a time... (like when I was 17 and he told me he wanted to try MJ...(he never had). I got ahold of some Thai stick and rolled up a fatty...best TV football game we ever watched...(till mom came home that is!)

ISO

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The state wants to tell you what to do, when to do it, and for how long you should do it. Doesn't matter if you are trimming your toenails or raising your kids, gov thinks it knows better than you what is good for you (and your kids!) We have only ourselves to blame as we just sit back in complacency and allow it to happen. That is, when we are not bitching that gov is not doing enough for us as it is...

Later,
4kaan4

btw: By the time I was three years old I had figured out that breaking the rules was NOT a smart thing to do!

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I'm one of the old farts at GP and I have to say I like the humor of Iso's post...but honestly I don't think our modern society has gotten any more crazy...just crazy about different stuff....for gays minorities and women I not so sure the 50's were the good old days...and technology isn't is not all bad...think about this site and your grows...and I think beating kids does one sure thing....encourages them to see violence as a solution....i would never put a hand on my girls...I think most adults are smart enough to find other perhaps better means of persuasion and instruction...don't get me wrong I don't think now is the best of all possible times...but I hardly think the world is going to hell in a hand basket...the rivers, ponds, and oceans where i live are cleaner...the air is cleaner...nastalgia is not as good as I remember...come on anyone else gonna stand up for the present?

I guess I must be the only old fart here that never got "whooped" as a kid. I remember just one spanking. I was about 5. Dad sat on the stairs and put me over his knee an let me have a couple on the backside, with his HAND. The next thing I remember of that day, was waking up after a nap, and dad reading the Sunday "funnies" to me. But, I'm the youngest of 8 kids, so, maybe he was worn out from disciplining the older ones. I do remember mom, chasing my older brothers around with a "switch" from a bush, out back. It couldn't have been too serious, though. They would seem to be having a pretty good time, with it all.

I also remember my 4th grade teacher, hitting us on the back of the head with a book. I saw her punch a kid and give him a bloody nose. When I saw things like that, it straightened me right out.

Pappy

Yup it's sad but true, the world is getting more and more paranoid by the day and the overal intelligence of the world seems to be getting lower and lower which causes less common sence to be used :(

As I read this it came to me; The government is just exercising it's rights, more & more but still their rights.
If you look at US close you find it is a Corp. & as a corporation it is acting, again, more & more.
At birth we all get our number, THEIR number; One cannot beat one's child as it were, because it, (the child) like us the parents are property of the corp. Employee's if you will; or better, plow oxen. (Like how the farmer or zoo keeper seperates the young to protect it; Protecting it is protecting their future intrests, what ever they may be.)

The term person (as in "on your person") as used in the code & law of the land, reflects this. Your person is your corporate entity; your 9 digit number. Your person is what allows you to hold insurance, so if you hit that rolls you are not held wholly accountable.

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I may see it slightly different (though I agree the govement does 'see' our children as its property) Children (at least my children) do not belong to the government or me...they are entrusted to my care...by god, the tao, or what every you may call the animating force of the universe...that which allows something rather than nothing to exist

as such I have the profound responsibility to nuture the fulfullment of their potential (which is unknown to me)....sort of like growing MJ....just much much harder, requireing infinitely more patience, and the harvest if any belonging to the future rather than myself.