freedoms at GP - the trouble with codes

scott06

please don't take this the wrong way...the last thing I want to do is start any drama on this site

the issue I want to talk about is the idea of comming up with commandments and honor codes for MJ growers...

I think that the efforts to get this going are motivated by good intentions such as trying to improve the image of MMJ....a laudable goal

but

attempt at comming up with a code of behavior seems antithetical to exactly what we are doing at GP

we choose to follow our own internal code if you will and many of us break the law even as we work to change it...we recognize our right to do what each of us thinks is best

what code or commandments do we have the wisdom to develop that would superceed the internal values of our members

are they children that we must tell how to behave?

some things about honor are simple and no explaination is necessary except to a fool perhaps but then an explaination will be of no avail

other things about honor are complex and we may discuss and debate and learn from each other, but one size fits all solutions seem superficial

I honor fatman's attempts to help us recognize the political potential of GP that may be partially untapped

but I hope we will not encage in a hubristic exercise of coming up with a code of behavior for marijuana growers....

if concerns arise, let's discuss, but can't I enjoy GP without the heavy handed codes or commandments

if not, we could try Crowely's code "do what thou will, shall be the whole of the law"

or Jesus/Confusius "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

or Kiekegard (sp?) "Act in such a way that all your actions would become universally exceptable"

or my own "Try to be as good a person as my dog thinks I am"

anyone else see the down side of codes and commandment for growers or is it just me?

the.fatman.cometh

I agree, I think that ISO didn't mean a code as in bylaws or such, but more in the way of a suggestion. Then again that is just my interpretation.
Such a thing was not my actual intention, it was more of a, "Hey guys, it sucks that MJ is illegal, let's pool together some resources and work together to help the common good."
That's more or less what I meant, with the thread here.

peace,
theFATMAN

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scott06

sorry I may be a bit paraniod when it comes to rules, laws, etc....I was worried that the idea might be getting grow into a full fledged code...perhaps I over-reacted and read more into it... I agree with you that improving our image and working for change are GREAT ideas.....just not sure a code will help with that....but I am smart enough to know I could be wrong

the.fatman.cometh

It's all good bro, we're one big happy family.

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Oh, and videoman is granddad..lol, just kidding.

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ISO2BWELL

Hey all,

What I was referencing was not some hard and fast absolutes, but rather a statement about being a responsible grower. As we near legalization, and the fact that there are now more med growers coming on-line daily, there are folks (believe me!) that have not one clue about how to be a responsible grower.

Scott: What I am thinking of is how rotten I feel just reading about those folks down in Arcata. Here was a chance for MJ growers to truly make a difference, and instead of taking the "inch" that was given, they instead grabbed the whole "mile", and proceeded to make a mess of things.

They knew how to grow, too.

Problem is, they didn't know how to respect their neighbors and fellow mankind. They didn't give a rip about stealing power, or smelling up a non-bud-smoking neighbors backyard with large quantity outdoor grows in their backyards...not everyone appreciates the smell of the bud as we do.

We, as individuals, are either one of two things:

1. We are law abiding, honorable people who feel it appropriate, individually, to break a law regarding the use of or cultivation of this plant. Otherwise, we're just regular old humans who work (if able), pay their taxes, pay their bills and are a positive part of society.

2. We choose to live outside the law in many areas, without regard for our fellow humans or the plants we grow. If having a large grow, and selling it for a bunch of cash means stealing city power or destroying a rented house and then leaving the mess for others...so what?

What I am talking about is a "Statement of Principle", a guideline that will separate the "1's" from the "2's".

Right now, one grower like those fools gets busted, we ALL look bad. It's known as "guilt by association". This is a way, without pointing fingers or anyone saying "you must follow these rules.."...to create a boundry between us and them; a way for a person to differentiate themselves from the 2's of the world by prescribing themselves to an accepted and respected standard of their actions.

Is any of this making sense?

ISO

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the.fatman.cometh

Perfect sense, bro.

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scott06

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• Adults Only
• No Driving
• Set and Setting
• Resist Abuse
• Respect Rights of Others

When cannabis(marijuana) is enjoyed responsibly, subjecting users to harsh criminal and civil penalties provides no public benefit and causes terrible injustices. For reasons of public safety, public health, economics and justice, the prohibition laws should be repealed to the extent that they criminalize responsible cannabis use.

By adoption of this statement, the NORML Board of Directors has attempted to define "responsible cannabis use."
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Many things and activities are suitable for young people, but others absolutely are not. Children do not drive cars, enter into contracts, or marry, and they must not use drugs. As it is unrealistic to demand lifetime abstinence from cars, contracts and marriage, however, it is unrealistic to expect lifetime abstinence from all intoxicants, including alcohol. Rather, our expectation and hope for young people is that they grow up to be responsible adults. Our obligation to them is to demonstrate what that means.
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Although cannabis is said by most experts to be safer than alcohol and many prescription drugs with motorists, responsible cannabis consumers never operate motor vehicles in an impaired condition. Public safety demands not only that impaired drivers be taken off the road, but that objective measures of impairment be developed and used, rather than chemical testing.
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IV. Resist Abuse
Use of cannabis, to the extent that it impairs health, personal development or achievement, is abuse, to be resisted by responsible cannabis users.
Abuse means harm. Some cannabis use is harmful; most is not. That which is harmful should be discouraged; that which is not need not be.
Wars have been waged in the name of eradicating "drug abuse", but instead of focusing on abuse, enforcement measures have been diluted by targeting all drug use, whether abusive or not. If cannabis abuse is to be targeted, it is essential that clear standards be developed to identify it.
V. Respect Rights of Others
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jangel

This is wonderful. I beleive under the heading of "Respect rights of others"
should also be mentioned the destruction of property that has been exhibited by commercial grow ops. This really has given us growers a very bad name.

Thanks for posting this Scott. Why re-invent the wheel when this does cover all we wish it to.

Peace

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4kaan4

Of course, any "Code of Conduct" that might be drafted would most likely be applicable to almost any part of social interaction, such as jangle's post about destruction of property. Most of us abide by a code every day whether we are aware of it or not. It is called "common sense" or "good manners". We need these codes to draw boundries for acceptable and unacceptable behavior.

There is a big difference between considering the feelings of others and declaring that "Thou shalt not..." in an overbearing and domineering fashion. Scott06 spelled out what most of us would consider to be common sense and considering the feelings of others, which everyone needs pointed out at some time or another.

Later,
4kaan4

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