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#41 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pappy

Hey Sock,

Yes, that's what you're looking for. We have them at Wally and just about any place that has a garden center. What is the heat and humidity in your cloning area? If it is quite warm with high humidity, you may not need a dome. But, you will need to keep the pellets moist. I have put the pellets, with the clone, into a plastic cup. The cup is tall enough, so that the top of the clone is just under the top. Then, I put plastic wrap over the top. The cup should have a few holes in the bottom and the upper sides. It's a good method, if you think you may need to move them from one place to another during the first couple of weeks. Another advantage of doing this, is that the transplant cup is already prepared. When roots show through the pellet, it's time to add the soil mix to the cup that the cutting is in.

I will be taking some cuttings in about a week. I'll post some pics of this method. I haven't done it in a couple of years.

Pappy

Thanks Pappy for the info and I will be getting on it in the A.M... Well heck it is the A.M. but nothing open in the middle of the night.. HAHA. Just got off work and finally my Friday, so I have 2 days to try and make things a little better.

Will Check the local Wally for the peat pellets, but really doubt they will have them at that store. Have to run into the big city tomorrow for Bat Guano so I will stop by the the Super hugh Wally that has a liquor store attached, maybe they will have it, if not Lowes may have them right next door to Super Wally.

Question on Rooting Hormone, what do you use? Apparently in the 2 books I have, Mjane Horitculture medical growers bible and Grow Great Mjane, they speek of using Gel and not the powder, I picked up the powder as that is all I saw at homedepot...:( Any recommendations?

Thanks,

Sock

Pappy · #42 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 09:11 AM

Go ahead and use the powder. That is all I have ever used. I have never used gel. I'm sure it works, but so does the powder.

Pappy

jangel · #43 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sock

Thanks Pappy for the info and I will be getting on it in the A.M... Well heck it is the A.M. but nothing open in the middle of the night.. HAHA. Just got off work and finally my Friday, so I have 2 days to try and make things a little better.

Will Check the local Wally for the peat pellets, but really doubt they will have them at that store. Have to run into the big city tomorrow for Bat Guano so I will stop by the the Super hugh Wally that has a liquor store attached, maybe they will have it, if not Lowes may have them right next door to Super Wally.

Question on Rooting Hormone, what do you use? Apparently in the 2 books I have, Mjane Horitculture medical growers bible and Grow Great Mjane, they speek of using Gel and not the powder, I picked up the powder as that is all I saw at homedepot...:( Any recommendations?

Thanks,

Sock

I would use the powder. I have heard for some growers the gel can block the pores. Also, I have mixed the gel into water and watered my clones that way. I am sure you could use the powder as well, if you mixed it up, but it is not necasary. Powder is fine. And if you are going to your hydro store anyway, they usually have peat pellets there. Or rapid rooters. Either one works. Good luck.

#44 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pappy

Hey Sock,

Yes, that's what you're looking for. We have them at Wally and just about any place that has a garden center. What is the heat and humidity in your cloning area? If it is quite warm with high humidity, you may not need a dome. But, you will need to keep the pellets moist. I have put the pellets, with the clone, into a plastic cup. The cup is tall enough, so that the top of the clone is just under the top. Then, I put plastic wrap over the top. The cup should have a few holes in the bottom and the upper sides. It's a good method, if you think you may need to move them from one place to another during the first couple of weeks. Another advantage of doing this, is that the transplant cup is already prepared. When roots show through the pellet, it's time to add the soil mix to the cup that the cutting is in.

I will be taking some cuttings in about a week. I'll post some pics of this method. I haven't done it in a couple of years.

Pappy

I am out the door to get these things, fits my budget. Gonna pick up some Bat guano while I can as well..

I like the beer plastic cup as well, I am taking a stab on this and will say it is the Opaque cups and not the clear cups, right?

What is your thought on the opaque versus clear on new clones Jangel, Read over in DIY that opaque for 1-2weeks and clear for 2-3week old, till roots come through the Peat pellets?

The temp is running 78 and humidity is high 40's, all in the veg area. Really need more humidity I am guessing based on all the info I am reading, something around the 80 range?

Thanks,

Sock

jangel · #45 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 12:35 PM

If you are told it makes a difference then whoever posted it will know. I don't know that it makes a dif. No experiance, hence no opinion. Do what "experiance" of others tells you to and you will not go wrong. No need to re-invent the wheel.

ISO2BWELL · #46 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 01:05 PM

Sock,

80% humidity is BAD. No, you don't want that.

If you can maintain that humidity between 40% and 60% you're in good shape.

ISO

#47 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ISO2BWELL

Sock,

80% humidity is BAD. No, you don't want that.

If you can maintain that humidity between 40% and 60% you're in good shape.

ISO

For Clones????

I understand 40-60 in the veg for potted plants, but was under the impression that clones w/ no root system depend on humidity for foliar water till roots come in?

I got all the stuff so let me know if you can ASAP as I need to get-r-done before she is a gonner.

Thanks,

Sock

#48 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 07:12 PM

Ok we are back up and running, OK ISO, let me know on the above question, cause I have the clones in a little make shift green house with like 95% humidity running 78-80 temp..

Will post pics of the contraption in a few..

Thanks Bro,

Sock

#49 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 07:32 PM

Ok Gurus, this is what I have made an put some clones in, running bout 90-95% humidity and temp 78-80. Let me know where I am screwing up please..

Jangel, The bigger test subject is doing wonderful, I know I need to transplant but scared to, what should I do since I have it in crap soil and hugh container, got all stuff u mentinoned for killer soil, but what is the lessor of 2 evils..:( Advice needed, but no rush on that one, still trying to salvage something from little one..

Thanks everyone for there kind words and wisdom..

Sock

ISO2BWELL · #50 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 07:37 PM

Sock,

YES...80% is fine for clones. I didn't read the whole thread...my bad!

I would try to maintain the temp under 80 if possible.

ISO

#51 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ISO2BWELL

Sock,

YES...80% is fine for clones. I didn't read the whole thread...my bad!

I would try to maintain the temp under 80 if possible.

ISO

10-4 there good buddy...

Thanks for making sure I am on the right path, yes temp is 80 in below, running 76 in veg area, but clones are greenroomed up so a little more in the temp dept there, got a HVAC temometer in that puppy will look see at it now..

Gauge says 80, but it runs a little high..LoL, no Pun intended, It is on the tile floor so I put a little heating pad under it and running it on low for now. Everything looks really good, Hoping for the best..

Sock

jangel · #52 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 08:42 PM

Hey King Socks. Sorry was out all day, with family. Your SUBJECT will be fine if you water it REALLY WELL the day before you transplant, and then hold the plant with one hand as you flip her over. Then take off the pot, while your hand supports the planty. Sounds scary, but it works. Kind of make a catch mitt of your hand that is around the base of the plant, with the stock through your fingers. You saw how I did it. You just have to try and stop shaking. But do it tomorrow, when you are well rested and have had a chance for all the soil to get wet. You will see where the roots are then, and the moisture should keep the soil together. Then do like you saw me do. Do it slowly, with no rush and patiantly, then you can take off the wet soil that is not needed. Have your pot ready, half filled with soil, and make sure you do not bury it past the water leaves. I will talk to you tomorrow.

Peace. and blessings on King Sock's subjects!

Smoke all these first. that should help! LOL!

#53 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 08:52 PM

The advice given by Jangel is exactly as I have done it for years and I've only rarely seen a plant go into shock.
Plant up and prosper!

sb

#54 (**permalink**) 07-14-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jangel

Hey King Socks. Sorry was out all day, with family. Your SUBJECT will be fine if you water it REALLY WELL the day before you transplant, and then hold the plant with one hand as you flip her over. Then take off the pot, while your hand supports the planty. Sounds scary, but it works. Kind of make a catch mitt of your hand that is around the base of the plant, with the stock through your fingers. You saw how I did it. You just have to try and stop shaking. But do it tomorrow, when you are well rested and have had a chance for all the soil to get wet. You will see where the roots are then, and the moisture should keep the soil together. Then do like you saw me do. Do it slowly, with no rush and patiantly, then you can take off the wet soil that is not needed. Have your pot ready, half filled with soil, and make sure you do not bury it past the water leaves. I will talk to you tomorrow.

Peace. and blessings on King Sock's subjects!

Smoke all these first. that should help! LOL!

That might help releave the stress...

Ok here is the problem, I have no problems transplanting stuff as I have a prosperus veggi garden and a very good yard landscaping that I have done from seeds and transplants, so I know what you are talking about on how to handle her, but what I am tryign to say is that the roots are not ready for this kinda venture. The little one only had a few roots that broke off, but they went from here to china.. Big one is doing great, but scared that roots are not all that well for a 8" bushy plant in a 3 gal container.. No Root ball, see what I am saying, if you think it will be ok I will try but think otherwise unless the massive watering the day before will do something that I dont know. Little one had good mositure in the soil, not dry. In the past when I transplanted the soil was dry and just crumbled of the roots, but little one soils was moist, stuck togethere and seemd to pull all the roots off the base.

Ok, no more babbeling...

must use garden hose to help gentally rid subject ot infectious soil...LoL..

Sock

#55 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 02:23 PM

OkeeDookee..

***Note to self, Never doubt Jangel***....

Here are the pics of the roots of the stessful transplant, they look great.. Took a garden hose with a spray nozzle and gently washed away all the crap soil and was left with a very large root system.

Now here is where I get a little confused, I had all intentions of putting in a little container, however the roots are mondo big, so I put in a 1 gallon container with the Jangel secret special recipe soil..LoL and gonna see what happens. Was really considering repotting in same 3 gal container w/ the good soil, but bigger is not always better for the plant right?

Thanks for everyones help,

Sock

green_nobody · #56 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sock

OkeeDookee..

***Note to self, Never doubt Jangel***....

Here are the pics of the roots of the stessful transplant, they look great.. Took a garden hose with a spray nozzle and gently washed away all the crap soil and was left with a very large root system.

Now here is where I get a little confused, I had all intentions of putting in a little container, however the roots are mondo big, so I put in a 1 gallon container with the Jangel secret special recipe soil..LoL and gonna see what happens. Was really considering repotting in same 3 gal container w/ the good soil, but bigger is not always better for the plant right?

Thanks for everyones help,

Sock

looking great, neat root ball sock

jangel · #57 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 06:15 PM

WOOOWWWW! Good work. You know, she has massive roots! Good job! Just make sure when she starts to show roots coming out the bottom you transplant her. I would even think then with those roots into that 3 gal. one. Hope it is a girl! How are the clones doing?

#58 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jangel

WOOOWWWW! Good work. You know, she has massive roots! Good job! Just make sure when she starts to show roots coming out the bottom you transplant her. I would even think then with those roots into that 3 gal. one. Hope it is a girl! How are the clones doing?

Thanks...

Clones are looking good, keeping a close eye on them, never done it before, but had nothing to loose at that point. Running humidity around 90 or so, temp between 76-80. No signs of dying off yet... YEAH.. Now I will be in a pickle if all the clones take off, dont have the lights to support all of them in a veg area yet.. Heck there comes a break even point when many CFL's = 400 watt HID..HAHA You running digital balast on your HID?

Yes I was thinking that I should put the transplant back into the 3gal container, but will give it a few days to make sure the subject likes the mixture I gave.. If everything looks good with new growth in 5-7 days will put back in the 3gal. I say it is 3gal, but all I know is it's 10" pot from the HomeDepot, looks like it will hold 3gals...LoL

How much Bone meal and Guano do you use in a 3 gal container? I went real easy on that stuff, too much = disater, too little means add more...

Sock

jangel · #59 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 07:03 PM

I use about a handful per gallon of bone meal. My handful, not huge. 1/4 cup I guess. Read the package. This is not my soil recipe, it is videoman's and pappy uses it too. I usually go lighter than heavier in anything.

#60 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jangel

I use about a handful per gallon of bone meal. My handful, not huge. 1/4 cup I guess. Read the package. This is not my soil recipe, it is videoman's and pappy uses it too. I usually go lighter than heavier in anything.

Si' Seniorita, la directionas muy helpful...

I know it's not your recipe, but am giving you credit as you got me through it and didn't give me some lame a$$ reply like "do your own research man"..

**Note to all members: Everyone here has been more than helpful with my questions and I really appreciate that. People in general should be as nice as all of you Blokes***...

I like finding the answers to my questions, however there are times when you need answers now as lives are in the equation...

And you did that for me Jangel, Pappy, Toker etc..

Thanks, you ALL make me want to be a better person..LoL

Ok enough of the Meloncholy crap..

Sock