Yes, they have bone meal at wally world and home depot. It is cheap as is everything else, but try and get the hyponex from wally world. It is not available anywhere else. Perlite is pretty cheap too. I just came from there and almost bought all the perlite they had !!! (that is okay, it is Canada!) LOL! I left a couple bags though. couldn't get it at home depot. So if you see it grab it. I have heard rumours that they are pulling it from stores due to health hazards. Anytime I see perlite I grab it.

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Ok on the Bat Guano, I am looking at the foxfarm site and all I see is the Foxfarm Peace of Mind High Phosphorous Bat Guano 0-4-0: 4 Lb Box

Is this what I want? Not sure if Bat Guano comes in various strengths? I dont want to get the wrong stuff if I can help it. Apparently they have a local Hydro store that sells foxfarm products...

Thanks again,

Sock

Okay, I would go to your hydro store and check it out. I found this:
Foxfarm Peace of Mind High Phosphorous Bat Guano 0-4-0: 4 Lb Box

From hidhut. You might even find superswell there. Yes, it is pretty close but also there are different types of bat guano and the first link is what videoman gave me so it will work. You can count on him.

Hope this helps.

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Right-O chap... that is where I found my link at, Hidhut. Apparently FoxFarm has no other Bat Dung to choose from..LoL

thanks,

Sock

That is chap-ette thank you~~~ !!! LOL! (Just yankin' your chain! )

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That's right Amiga, Mate, Chick person thinggy, with a wealth of knowledge...LoL

LOL! Never heard it quite put like that but thank you! You too will be here! Beleive me, it is all just reading and learning. I have not been doing this long. It will all come together for you too.

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Well the smaller of my 2 test subjects still looks really droopy...:( Color in the plant still looks good and healthy, minus the 2 lower first leaves.

Have not watered them in 3 days and still no improvement in the smaller 1. Guessing I need to repot ASAP with a spring water flush. Will not be able to get the Bat Guano until tomorrow when the store is open.

Hate to transplant back to back due to stress, but the little 1 is scaring me.

Maybe a 40% perlite, 60% hyponex and a little bone meal mixed up real airy into a smaller container for a few days will help perk the little one up, at this point I really dont think it could hurt it...

Oh yeah 1 note on my watering, up until now I have been watering in from the bottom and letting the water uptake in the pot, but I suppose I need to water from the top down and water enough to let some trickle out the holes..

Nothing ventured, Nothing gained...

Sock

The bat guanno can wait till they are a bit older, anyway, socks. And water it WELL from the top, paying particualar attention to watering around the sides. It sounds to me like your baby is just dry. I sometimes water mine every day if it is hot. It depends on how quickly they dry out. With my clones if I missed one nights watering, they would be limp the next day as there was no soil left in the pots to hold the water. Feel the wieght when it is bone dry, then water it well, till water comes out the bottom. I sometimes if they are really dry, water them twice as sometimes with dry soil, the water does not penitrate the first time and it does the second. I even let them sit for a bit in the runnoff. I find they usually uptake all the water, especailly big pots. Then feel the wieght. I usually water them really well the day before as well. This makes the root ball stick more together and prevents it from damageing the roots as much. A dry plant will easily fall apart and damage roots.

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Yeahhhh what you said...

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Well it's disaster for the smaller one I think....:( Got all the goodies and went to transplant, was very gentile and delicate, but would you know it she broke off right at the base... I feel sick right now...:( There were not a lot of roots, but the ones that were there, very long, all the way to the bottom of 12" container.

Anyways I made up the right mixture 60/40 w/ bone meal and took a few lower branches off, luckley I bought some takeroot hormone while at the homedepot, and followed the instructions. so I have 2 lowers and the mother trying to root.. really need some rockwool cubes I would think.

The lesson I learned:

Use the right soil to start off with and use smaller containers, that away when I go to transplant, there will be no disasters.. Just break up the soil a little and plop into bigger container with same great soil...

No pain no gain...:(

Ohhh Me,

Sock

OH NO! I am sorry for your loss, but hey, you could still have a couple of good clones. If there is root attached and any leaf on the plant it COULD still live. This is why they need smaller pots, so they don't send roots down to China and get lost how to come home with the food.

At least she went with love.....

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No worries, I will see what will happen. I dont give up very easily... It's all part of the learning curve.

I will try and try again.. Wasnt there some quote along the lines of, success is not measured by the result but the road travled to get there, or something like that..LoL..

Sock

...it is all about the journey, my friend. It is all about the journey.

Peace

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Hey sock,

If you are doing a soil grow, I would forget the rockwool. I just use expandable peat pellets. Rockwool needs to be pH balanced before use, (or so I've read). Besides, peat pellets are widely available. Just one guy's opinion.

Keep pluggin' away, and you'll be successful, one day. Ancient Norwegian proverb.

Pappy

Here's to good luck and a bountiful yield!

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Thanks Pappy and FatMan...

Will see what I can find in the Peat Pellet dept, as I am running soil.

Trying to figure a way to make an easy green house to keep the humidity up for the clones, seems to be my biggest challange at the moment. Got the 2 lowers in small styrofoam coffee cups with a sandwhich ziplok baggy over them, bottom open for some air.

Scared to death to attempt a transplant on the bigger one, just may ride it out, clone 2 and force flower the clones to see what I have, but need to setup a little greenhouse for clones. I affraid that getting the whole plant transplannted will not fly right now...:( If female then may have to do many clones just to get them in the proper soil..

Ohh the decisions that need to be made...LoL

Sock

Well, my senerio was 3 plants...put them in the sink and washed the roots clean. found, in the process, the fert balls release their stuff and kill whatever roots around them...lost about half the root system, but, I put them in the new dirt, superthrive/water liberaly, and they went like a rocket.

good luck...peace

Hey Pappy, I did a google on the Peat pellets and came up with a dollar coin looking thing that you water and BAM it expands into it's own little nesting unit. Is this correct?

I'm sure I can find a little seedling greenhouse on clearance around here..

When you say widely available, we talking homedepot or local garden shop thing. My wally-world is lacking in everything but Hyponex..LoL.. and I hate spending my whole day off shopping... Got to tend to the yard..

Thanks,

Sock

Thanks Meigs, I was so carful with the smaller one, but still broke off, I see what you are talking about with the hose and yes that would work, but my backyard is open to neighbors that are noisy.. will figure out a way to get the other transplanted, but will have a backup cloner machine ready to go.

It does make sense what you are saying about the fert balls release and kill new roots. Heck the top of the little plant was so friggen bushy, a min of 6 nodes at 6-7 highm shoots everywhere, but next to NO roots. My fault, too big container and wrong soil.. Seems the top just out grew the root system.

Lesson learned...LoL.

Sock

Hey Sock,

Yes, that's what you're looking for. We have them at Wally and just about any place that has a garden center. What is the heat and humidity in your cloning area? If it is quite warm with high humidity, you may not need a dome. But, you will need to keep the pellets moist. I have put the pellets, with the clone, into a plastic cup. The cup is tall enough, so that the top of the clone is just under the top. Then, I put plastic wrap over the top. The cup should have a few holes in the bottom and the upper sides. It's a good method, if you think you may need to move them from one place to another during the first couple of weeks. Another advantage of doing this, is that the transplant cup is already prepared. When roots show through the pellet, it's time to add the soil mix to the cup that the cutting is in.

I will be taking some cuttings in about a week. I'll post some pics of this method. I haven't done it in a couple of years.

Pappy