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medicinecloset · #1 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 06:15 PM

Hey guy's for the last three days now I have begun seeing all of these brownish orange tiny spots that cover a few of the upper fan leaves. The backside of the leaf looks like tiny white specs. It's not bugs or parasites as I examined them under my magnifying glass and they are spots.
I cant figure this out and it is clear it is progressing I just dont know how much damage has been done. I feed 1tsp of Schultz Bloom plus and 1 tsp of epsom salt (for my R/O water) and 1/2 tablespoon of unsulphered Molasses in each gallon and water just till it begins to drip out of the bottoms of the containers. I dont get it and I really am stuck and scared about this.
Thanks and Peace.
Med
Oh by the way my climate is 79degrees and 36% Humidity just so ya know. If you do know what it is is there any household products that could help as I am not in very good shape to run out and grab somethin and the nearest garden supply is over 100miles. HELP????????

scott06 · #2 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 06:25 PM

Hi MC

they look like nute burn to me (but I almost always guess that...and it's almost always correct)

I went to the standard Plant Abuse Chart and Photos by Nietzsche but could not find anything definitive

I'll keep looking and maybe someone else will know for sure.

Don't do anything right away...but a simple flush may help if it's nute burn or ph fluctuation.

are the white spots underneath corresponding to the yellow spots? or in different places?

blackpantherparty · #3 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 06:49 PM

Do you mist your plants? Because if you are misting and the lights are too close the water droplets act like little magnifying glasses and will make burns like that on your leaves. Other than that I can't think of anything that would make it look like that.

medicinecloset · #4 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 06:55 PM

Heya guy's maybe this pic will show ya abit better???
Thanks again and Peace,
Med

Hatch · #5 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 06:56 PM

Have You Checked For Spider Mites?

scott06 · #6 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 06:57 PM

do you use ozone in there by any chance?

Hatch · #7 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 06:58 PM

Let's See The Bottom Of The Leaf.

justanotherbozo · #8 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 06:58 PM

lol, lets try this again.

i'm afraid i can't help you directly but, if you scroll down through this thread,
you should find what you are looking for. that is if you didn't find it in the thread
posted by scott.

anyway, Stitch really knows her stuff, she has at least one book out on cannabis
related problems ranging froms diseases to pests and deficiencies.

The Complete guide to Sick Plants,pH, and Pest troubles!

blackpantherparty · #9 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 06:59 PM

It's definately not the water now that I see the better picture. You can tell that it's something the plant is taking in because all the spots are located really close to the veins in the leaf. You may want to try flushing out the plant man, that's got my vote at the moment.

medicinecloset · #10 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:02 PM

No Spider Mites in this here Garden hatch. I dunno i'm at a complete loss here. The backside of the leaves have these tiny white specs with a super tiny almost burn color ring around the white spots??? No I do not spray foliarly in this HID closet. Dammit 3 weeks to go! Sorry guy's I am just worried sick as hell over this stuff but it isnt affecting growth at least as far as I can tell but I dont know.
Lemme know maybe I created some new sickness or somethin.LOL whatever it is I am sure there has got to be a way of saving these some way we just have to find it.Thank you all again for your awesome help and support.
Love and Peace,
Med

medicinecloset · #11 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott06

do you use ozone in there by any chance?

Nope. No Ozone

scott06 · #12 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:04 PM

I am assuming you are sure they are not spider mites MC....after looking and thinking I am pretty sure it's nute burn still....as long as those white spots underneath match up with the yellow spots.
if that is it you can water without nutes or even flush

could be the mist as bpp said....you know what to do about that.

can you take a pic of the underside...I want to help you get this figured out ASAP...not because it will tank your crop in a few hours...but because we all know how frustrating it can be to have an undiagnosed problem.

medicinecloset · #13 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott06

I am assuming you are sure they are not spider mites MC....after looking and thinking I am pretty sure it's nute burn still....as long as those white spots underneath match up with the yellow spots.
if that is it you can water without nutes or even flush

could be the mist as bpp said....you know what to do about that.

can you take a pic of the underside...I want to help you get this figured out ASAP...not because it will tank your crop in a few hours...but because we all know how frustrating it can be to have an undiagnosed problem.

Ok gotcha and geez thank you so much for helping with this. I need ta relax and stop freaking out here. It's kinda hard to get a pic of the underside because of the light but I will try again. Yes it looks as if the spots match the white spots on the undersides but I am gonna look again. I will try right quick to maybe pull it out in regular light and get a pic. Wanna be carefull as it's cramped and they are full of resin glands I really dont want to explode. Lemme try and get a pic for you guys.
Thanks again scott,
Med

scott06 · #14 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justanotherbozo

The Complete guide to Sick Plants,pH, and Pest troubles!

This is a great thread, better than the one I posted...do you know stitch personally....she sure knows her stuff!

justanotherbozo · #15 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by medicinecloset

Ok gotcha and geez thank you so much for helping with this. I need ta relax and stop freaking out here. It's kinda hard to get a pic of the underside because of the light but I will try again. Yes it looks as if the spots match the white spots on the undersides but I am gonna look again. I will try right quick to maybe pull it out in regular light and get a pic. Wanna be carefull as it's cramped and they are full of resin glands I really dont want to explode. Lemme try and get a pic for you guys.
Thanks again scott,
Med

you might just want to cut one of the afflicted leaves in half so you can remove
it to a place where you can take a shot of the underside.

scott06 · #16 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:16 PM

One more thought MC

you are using shultz bloom and epsom salts...so no nitrogen at all right?
so one more guess is a simple lack of nitrogen....is there any nitrogen in the soil? was it slow release nutes in a potting soil? the nitrogen could be used up
how far are you into flower? doen't look like the normal die back of fan leaves durring flower to me

justanotherbozo · #17 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott06

This is a great thread, better than the one I posted...do you know stitch personally....she sure knows her stuff!

unfortunately no, but she is an active member over at ICMag which is how
i came to know about her.

i was so impressed i went to Borders books and bought a copy of her book,
unfortunately, i can't look anything up for MC because i've already packed it!

that's why i posted that link 'cause she really does know her stuff!

Hatch · #18 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:23 PM

Ya Bro, No Need To Freak, They Will Be Ok, Are All The Bigger Leave's Like This?,,

scott06 · #19 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by medicinecloset

Hey guy's for the last three days now I have begun seeing all of these brownish orange tiny spots that cover a few of the upper fan leaves.

just the top leaves so far he says

medicinecloset · #20 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 07:30 PM

Ok guy's some pix are coming. I dont know if they will show much but they are the best I could do I dont know this camera very well. Well I could not get the right pic no matter what and unfortunately when I was twisting the fan leaf around to get a pic of the backside it snapped off like a twig! Did I just ruin this thing?????????????????????? Please tell me I didnt. Well maybe it sacrificed for a bit of a better shot for you guys. The leaf seemed awful dry almost crisp and it had just been fed two days ago??? The stem was dry and hollow???? Please forgive the poor pics.
Thank You and Peace My Friends,
Med