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jangel · #1 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 03:59 PM

We have many advanced growers out there I know and I have a question to ask you all. Spring is coming and I need to get into high gear for cloning and starting seeds. Which means I need more veg area than I need flower area. I have one plant nearing finish under my conversion HPS on 12/12. And another one that I have been playing with, started from seed last spring, march, and she did not do well so I dug her up and have been reveging her, now she is in flower, and I have polinated her with blueberry which will be Ambrosia X blueberry. That is half of her, the rest are buds. Also some seed plants I am just leaving until they die naturally. Not big ones, but hey, she is still alive. I will wait till I harvest the WW X kush and then switch to 24 hrs light MH for vegging. I also have 7 mums under my t-5. I need that area for seedlings and clones as well as my t-8 setup. What do you think will happen to the re-vegged girl with seeds? Will she again revert to veg and how will this affect the seeds, if at all?

Just curious...thanks for your time.

Peace

ileso · #2 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 04:08 PM

i think it will reveg normally and the seeds will finish normally also.. thats a pretty good idea...

peace
ileso

Liberty · #3 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 04:22 PM

Have never tried that--kind of a long way around..will be interesting to see if she seeds early, normally, or at all......if I understood you are gonna put her outside for the summer?

btw a month ago you convinced me not to worry about my electric bill usage & yesterday i dropped the big bucks for a 2nd 1000 watter. ....hmmmnnnnnn.....thinking you could be a bad influence......*s*

Hello ileso....looking forward to talking to you in the future..we chatted about sensi seeds(jack herer) & such a couple months ago & I'll have news coming to a GP thread near you soon... of course I still have frosty pictures to post too! haha...see ya

enjoy everyone

jangel · #4 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 04:24 PM

Well, you must have had one bill and seen that since you started so that would be a big influence as well. LOL!

DieAbetic · #5 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 05:15 PM

i have re-vegged a plant that has popped seeds, and the second time (with less stress) there werent any seeds

jangel · #6 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 05:33 PM

I wanted her to have the seeds. I put a male blueberry in amongst her. And they are forming as well. It is kind of like being "A little bit pregnant" doesn't happen, either you are or are not. LOL!

Peace

DieAbetic · #7 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 06:30 PM

hahahaha well put. i dunno about it then. im sure you could just stress it with light cycles and get seeds anyways

Liberty · #8 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DieAbetic

hahahaha well put. i dunno about it then. im sure you could just stress it with light cycles and get seeds anyways

can you do this to any female?

I ordered some fem seeds & would like to have more seeds of each without using a male. Is this possible??

thanks

drifter · #9 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ileso

i think it will reveg normally and the seeds will finish normally also..

Yep. Has anyone here not ever tried to seed a preflower?
It is possible and even whilist still in veg, the plant will make those seeds as it normally would with the plant being in flower.

drifter · #10 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wv420

can you do this to any female?

I ordered some fem seeds & would like to have more seeds of each without using a male. Is this possible??

thanks

NO. the way feminized seeds are made is with chemicals causing the hermies that they get the pollen from.
Making seeds with stress caused hermie plants wont give you all hermie seeds but there will probably be a good amount of them. If using a genetic hermie you could expect about 80% female ratios with the lower 20% being males and or hermie plants.

If you wish to make a female go hermie for sure without chemicals (as these chemicals are often times VERY tricky to use without causing major damage to the plant) Then innterupt the dark cycle @ night.
Right in the middle of the 12/12 dark session have the lights come on for 2 hrs then go off....
Let me know if you find a strain that wont do it under those conditions because i would love a cutting of it.
Reason I say this is because the seeds would be fine to use doing it that way if you dont mind getting rid of a hermie here and there(providing you dont plan to use the seeds for breeding)

4everhydro · #11 (**permalink**) 02-15-2009, 11:35 PM

i think the seeds will develop and finish but when grown out many will be sickly or have growing problems because of not being formed in natures way or by a 12/12 photo period.

jangel · #12 (**permalink**) 02-16-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 4everhydro

i think the seeds will develop and finish but when grown out many will be sickly or have growing problems because of not being formed in natures way or by a 12/12 photo period.

The seeds are already formed, just not mature yet.

drifter · #13 (**permalink**) 02-16-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jangel

And they are forming as well. It is kind of like being "A little bit pregnant" doesn't happen, either you are or are not. LOL!

Peace

very true indeed....

So how long have the seeds been forming J-angel? Ive noticed that they can occasionally take longer than the normal 6 weeks for seeds to form (or so I think it was, didnt think to write down that date of pollination

when it happened so I cant be sure)

jangel · #14 (**permalink**) 02-16-2009, 09:09 AM

They are about 4 weeks old. I will post a pic once the "Sun" comes on! LOL!

drifter · #15 (**permalink**) 02-16-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jangel

They are about 4 weeks old. I will post a pic once the "Sun" comes on! LOL!

Very cool, not too much longer to go by traditional methods of seed making.
Offhand would you assume them to be done in a couple weeks as they would regularly be?
Im trying to figure out if the seeds Ive made in a process similar to this one actually took longer or if I was just being that impatient...

jangel · #16 (**permalink**) 02-16-2009, 09:23 AM

From what I have read and seen when harvesting, seeds take longer to mature than trichomes do. So, say you harvest at 8 weeks, all your seeds will not all be ripe enough to grow, many will be pale and not fully mature. I guess it is dependant on WHEN in the cycle they where fertilized, of course. This is why I have some girls still in my flowering room, waiting for the seeds to mature. Their buds where harvested weeks ago and I have just left them under the sun to die naturally, in their time. They where also fertilized later as well. Just the lower branches. These will be for OGG 2009! I plan on freezing them for a while as I have heard this aids in germination.

drifter · #17 (**permalink**) 02-16-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jangel

From what I have read and seen when harvesting, seeds take longer to mature than trichomes do. So, say you harvest at 8 weeks, all your seeds will not all be ripe enough to grow, many will be pale and not fully mature. I guess it is dependant on WHEN in the cycle they where fertilized, of course. This is why I have some girls still in my flowering room, waiting for the seeds to mature. Their buds where harvested weeks ago and I have just left them under the sun to die naturally, in their time. They where also fertilized later as well. Just the lower branches. These will be for OGG 2009! I plan on freezing them for a while as I have heard this aids in germination.

as long as your seeds have dark stripes when they are harvested, you should have no issue with germination. Freezing however, dosent make them more suspectable to germing, well not in my own experiences anyways. It DOES however preserve their vitality for the future(said to keep them for up to 10 years that way).

seed finishing time does depend on pollination times generally. But it usually only takes 6-7 weeks for the seeds to form after being pollinated.
The later pollination should be the one to give you problems I believe. Whenever that happened, you can count forwards in time about 7 weeks and expect those to be done by that time...
IMO not really worth the wait unless they had more seeds form the second time than the first

Hope this info can be of some use to you

jangel · #18 (**permalink**) 02-16-2009, 09:37 AM

No you do not understand: I harvested sensi buds, then let them "Mess around" with a male. So the first cut had no seeds in it. The top of the plant. The lower buds where not big or ripe so I just tried it. to see what would happen, and it worked! I had a couple in flower anyway so I just left them in there to rippen.

drifter · #19 (**permalink**) 02-16-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jangel

No you do not understand: I harvested sensi buds, then let them "Mess around" with a male. So the first cut had no seeds in it. The top of the plant. The lower buds where not big or ripe so I just tried it. to see what would happen, and it worked! I had a couple in flower anyway so I just left them in there to rippen.

I understood that the plant has been cut for its smoke already, I just thought that you had let it get a second pollination.

Sorry for the confusion dear.