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4maggio · #1 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 10:55 AM

High everyone.. I'd like to pass along this "unusual", by most standards, breeding tecnique presented by J.P. (I hope you don't mind J.P.) at sannies site, it's called BOMPS (Breed One Plant Multiple Strains.

https://www.opengrow.com/index.php?s...4&#entry422554

Like having one tree with lemons, oranges and grapefruit on it.

I've never done any breeding because: 1 mess up and you have many seeds and the sensi effect is gone!
But if it's waterd down and drizzled on to a bud... I might give it a go. It seems safer fore the nube.

Richard Owl Mirror · #2 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 11:11 AM

I don't understand what you mean by "Breed One Plant Multiple Strains"
You mean fertilizing various strains with the same male?
I don't understand.

I8ntLucky_UR · #3 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 11:26 AM

What I got from that was by putting any male plants pollen into rain water you could then take multiple male strains and polinate select female branches thus ending up with different strains on a single female. Interesting technique for sure. By using the rain water you have a better chance of only pollinating a single bud site sparring the rest of the plant from seeds as well.

Zigzagman · #4 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 11:27 AM

Wow... That is soooo cool. Thanks 4maggio, I'm going to read this a couple more times to let the magnitude of it, soak in.

Richard Owl Mirror · #5 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by I8ntLucky_UR

What I got from that was by putting any male plants pollen into rain water you could then take multiple male strains and polinate select female branches thus ending up with different strains on a single female. Interesting technique for sure. By using the rain water you have a better chance of only pollinating a single bud site sparring the rest of the plant from seeds as well.

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Like having one tree with lemons, oranges and grapefruit on it.

I don't see the advantage in doing this.
How can you verify the true parentage of the strain when growing out the seeds produced ?
Sure you will know the mother but, who's your daddy ?

I8ntLucky_UR · #6 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Owl Mirror

I don't see the advantage in doing this.
How can you verify the true parentage of the strain when growing out the seeds produced ?
Sure you will know the mother but, who's your daddy ?

I'm not trying to over simplify this but this is only the way I see it and I'm in a learning curve here too so.

If you have 4 seperate male plants A, B, C & D for instance and you take some pollen from each one and put into rainwater. Now you have a single female call her DD (my humor sorry). By putting some A on a single bud site and B on a different site and so on you would have 4 separate but on the same female plant pollinated sites. These should bear seeds each different from the other. Again I am only trying to understand what he is saying in the link provided. I am open to learning and if I am close to understanding this please let me know.

4maggio · #7 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by I8ntLucky_UR

I'm not trying to over simplify this but this is only the way I see it and I'm in a learning curve here too so.

If you have 4 seperate male plants A, B, C & D for instance and you take some pollen from each one and put into rainwater. Now you have a single female call her DD (my humor sorry). By putting some A on a single bud site and B on a different site and so on you would have 4 separate but on the same female plant pollinated sites. These should bear seeds each different from the other. Again I am only trying to understand what he is saying in the link provided. I am open to learning and if I am close to understanding this please let me know.

If you read the whole thread, they digress to one may use RO water also but you have sumed it up I8nt.

But, yes I8nt>>>>Multiple fathers one female, multiple strains one plant. You nailed it.

4maggio · #8 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Owl Mirror

I don't see the advantage in doing this.
How can you verify the true parentage of the strain when growing out the seeds produced ?
Sure you will know the mother but, who's your daddy ?

Just eat the fruit!

Is it good?

My daddy's dead.. don't matter anymore.

Actually with proper documentation it should'nt be any different than using dry pollen.

Richard Owl Mirror · #9 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by I8ntLucky_UR

I'm not trying to over simplify this but this is only the way I see it and I'm in a learning curve here too so.

If you have 4 seperate male plants A, B, C & D for instance and you take some pollen from each one and put into rainwater. Now you have a single female call her DD (my humor sorry). By putting some A on a single bud site and B on a different site and so on you would have 4 separate but on the same female plant pollinated sites. These should bear seeds each different from the other. Again I am only trying to understand what he is saying in the link provided. I am open to learning and if I am close to understanding this please let me know.

So, it would be necessary to label each pollinated bud as to which parents the seeds belong to?

I8ntLucky_UR · #10 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:07 PM

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So, it would be necessary to label each pollinated bud as to which parents the seeds belong to?

You could use a colored twist tie to keep them cataloged until harvest.

Richard Owl Mirror · #11 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 4maggio

Just eat the fruit!

Is it good?

My daddy's dead.. don't matter anymore.

Actually with proper documentation it should'nt be any different than using dry pollen.

So basically this is just like allowing your cat to go out prowling and get pregnant by a multitude of males ?
I suppose having a bunch of cute kittens is OK, unless you are a real breeder and want consistency.
Don't get me wrong, I suppose the water technique is a good way to distribute the pollen, I'm just perplexed at why multiple males makes this any more beneficial.

4maggio · #12 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by I8ntLucky_UR

You could use a colored twist tie to keep them cataloged until harvest.

You're gaining momentum 8ntlucky! LOL!!!

I8ntLucky_UR · #13 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Owl Mirror

So basically this is just like allowing your cat to go out prowling and get pregnant by a multitude of males ?
I suppose having a bunch of cute kittens is OK, unless you are a real breeder and want consistency.
Don't get me wrong, I suppose the water technique is a good way to distribute the pollen, I'm just perplexed at why multiple males makes this any more beneficial.

By using multiple males you know have 4, 5 or however many males used a new pool of crosses to be grown out and if showing decent traits now cross back to stabilize. It just increases the scale instead of 1:1 breeding ratio normally utilized.

4maggio · #14 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Owl Mirror

So basically this is just like allowing your cat to go out prowling and get pregnant by a multitude of males ?
I suppose having a bunch of cute kittens is OK, unless you are a real breeder and want consistency.
Don't get me wrong, I suppose the water technique is a good way to distribute the pollen, I'm just perplexed at why multiple males makes this any more beneficial.

Well put ROM. Kittens ARE cute but mutts out number purebreads.
Purebreads are expensive, mutts are not..
I've never had it but UKCheese, Trainwreck, OG Kush and the like all came from rogue seed originally and are top of the class strains.
Their liniage is what someone says it is.

Y is it benificial? Damned if I know!

Zigzagman · #15 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:17 PM

What we got here is a failure of Communication... lol. Messing with dry pollen is hard on it's best day. Try it... It's like Talcum powder. The first time I tried dry pollination with a brush, I didn't get anything. The second time I went overboard the other way. If nothing else, this makes trying selective pollination soooo much easier.

4maggio · #16 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zigzagman

What we got here is a failure of Communication... lol. Messing with dry pollen is hard on it's best day. Try it... It's like Talcum powder. The first time I tried dry pollination with a brush, I didn't get anything. The second time I went overboard the other way. If nothing else, this makes trying selective pollination soooo much easier.

That's my position exactly ZZM.. GD fans blowing, A/C blowing and pollen, yes, like talcum powder.. I only want "a few" seeds.

4maggio · #17 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by I8ntLucky_UR

By using multiple males you know have 4, 5 or however many males used a new pool of crosses to be grown out and if showing decent traits now cross back to stabilize. It just increases the scale instead of 1:1 breeding ratio normally utilized.

You definatly have a better grasp of breeding than I do I8nt. I just put the link out there.. I don't know dip about it in reality.

I8ntLucky_UR · #18 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 4maggio

You definatly have a better grasp of breeding than I do I8nt. I just put the link out there.. I don't know dip about it in reality.

Glad you posted this 4maggio I'm on a learning curve here too. I have seen many posts about breeding and some seem very difficult and almost impossible to understand. This seemed easier for me to understand and as I said before if I'm not understanding it correctly that is why so many good people in the know here will set me str8t. All I've done here at GP is tried to learn and from gr8t teachers and posters I might add. Thanks again.

v0ssman · #19 (**permalink**) 05-15-2009, 03:24 PM

sounds like gene splicing. You can do it with a clone gel, and or Molasses with the new stalks tied to the older plant. It seems hard to get it to connect to each other, but once it does, you have yourself a multiple strain plant. Would be good for caregivers who need variety. Ive seen it done with other types of plants, specifically Fruit

4maggio · #20 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by v0ssman

sounds like gene splicing. You can do it with a clone gel, and or Molasses with the new stalks tied to the older plant. It seems hard to get it to connect to each other, but once it does, you have yourself a multiple strain plant. Would be good for caregivers who need variety. Ive seen it done with other types of plants, specifically Fruit

A form of grafting v

ssman??! I've asked about grafting elsewhere, never ccame to a coclusion. I wonder if one grafted a female branch to a male plant and grafted it soon enough it would mature with the male plant and have that one branch of seeds.. am I dreaming? Keep it somewhere else away from the grow room..