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I have this plant that was the best out of 19 plants, she was productive, she was bushy and she was an easy to clone plant
But after I have harvested her I got her here, with a lot of leave and she is trying to be alife
Now, I got a question, if I reveg her, and take clones from her, will those clones be as productive as the mother (remember she already has flowered) or is it better if I make a mother out of one clone that I took from her BEFORE she flowered???
In simple words, a clone from an already flowered mother will be as productive as the mother, or will it carry in its genes the "knowledge" that it has aleady flowered?
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4ever if I get this right I would go with a clone from her before you flowered her and keep it as the new mother?

I hope that sounds right and makes sense. But re vegging and making it a mother might work but if you have a good clone of her anyway why re veg?

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Hey Lucky thank you my friend,
The situation is that I am preparing to start a new crop, and I have 36 clones (2 of this specific plant), but I need at least 32 plants for the new grow and I want to use her two clones. So I was thinking, if after re vegging her I can use her as my mother, I could use her two clones in this grow and make her give me more clones in the future, but my doubt is still in the air, will clones (after harvested and re vegged mother) be the same as clones taken BEFORE the plant was harvested?
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Hey 4 Ever, the mother has the genes and the clones will have the very same genes.So if the mother is a producer so will the clones.Clones are what they are carbin copys of the mother.Rooting a clone from a mother is hard to do but it can be done.Takes longer to root.You have to reverse the flowering and get it to grow.Most only do this cause of the strain they cant get any more or it's a clone only strain.You could do it but it will take more time then you most likely have to do this in.If you could take a clone from the clone they are the same as the mother,it's her sister and mother, and get it rooted and put it in with the ones you have.It'll be smaller than the other but it will grow too.Peace
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Okay, You Probable Not Going To Like This, But, Okay You Have Found A Keeper, I Have Seen People Re-Veg A Plant & It Be Real Productive Again, It Takes A Long Time To Do This Though, Your Looking At At Least 30 To 45 Or So Day's To Re-Veg., Then Clone From There....The Two Clones You Have From Her Need To Be Vegged & Feed So They Will Grow Faster, & You Can Clone More From Them, Then You Will Need To Just Keep Cloning From These Clones To Build Up Stock Of This Plant Til You Can Have Whole Crop Of Just This Plant, So, You Can Re-Veg The Main Donner To Make More Clones In The Future, Keep Her Two Clones Vegging & Making More Clones, & This Will Take Around 60 Or More Day's To Get Built Up & You Won't Be Flowering This Plant For The Next Crop Or Two Crop's, But After That You Should Be Built Up Enough To Just Flower This Plant & Have Stock To Clone From, & Keep In The Rotation.
So To Keep The Flowering Room Going You Can Use The Other Clones, & Keep In Mind That You Might Need Clones From Them To Harvest Two Crop's.

But, That Is What I Would Do, It's Just A Thought, But That Is How I Build Up My Clone Stock.

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yup, I agree, take a clone from the ones you are going to flower. Are they vegging now? Just take 3 or 4 slips from both of them, and they will recover fast. You can do this anytime, up to 2 weeks into flower and it will be fine. and root faster. Then you will have more than one to pick your mum from. I have done this for 3 generations so far, and going on the fouth. No worries.

BUT I have also reveged a plant as well. Just stuck her under a couple of cfl's, on a t connector, and left it on 24 hrs. She came back, then I cut clones and fertilized her, and she gave me better bud the second time...Plus seeds. just finally bit the dust too, but that was my fault. I did nothing special for her at all.
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Hi 4evergreen. The clones off a reveg are exactly like the original. Takes 10 days or so, to switch gears again and in 2 weeks you'll be pulling a bunch of clones


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Thanks everyone! The more I read the more I learn! Sometimes confused!!

Maybe I should stay out of the advanced forum but here is my silly question: If you flowered a mother plant I assume it was eventually harvested - how do you re-veg a harvested plant? If I read correct cuttings were taken before flowering and during flowering? Or am I not grasping this which is highly probable!!! I'll go back and read a third time.
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A plant in full flower is very difficult to clone. I have tried, beleive me. It is possible in early flower, first couple weeks, maybe if slow to flower, you might be able to the third week. After that, anything like a pistol moulds very quickly in the moist conditions needed to clone.

You can harvest a plant, then leave at least a third of thefoliage on the plant, and put it back under veg lighting. It will go back into veg eventaully and then you can clone it. You can also let this revegged plant, once you have possibley trimmed the roots, and repotted it, and the foliage has grown and is in veg again, reflower. It just takes time. and you will get a larger harvest as you have a bigger root system on the plant.

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Hey Zig, Toke, Lucky, J and Hatch thank you so much for all your ideas and help. I will do as you all have suggested, I will re veg the main donor and I will make the two clones mothers too, so I will have three mothers from where I can take clones any time. I will keep one in soil and two in hydroponic, so I will not lose those genes. This plant produced over a pound (wet), and all the largest buds came from her. She was productive, very bushy and I took two cuttings from her and both rooted fast
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So if time or room is not an issue, a harvested plant can be re-vegged and a very large harvest may be expected due to the advanced root structure. Something to try in the years to come. Thanks.
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Hey 4ever. It will take about 10 days of 18/6 to start her vegging again. Wait till about 4 days into the new cycle and give them a large dose to Nitrogen to goose them into leaf production. As the old flowering growth turns brown , remove it carefully and it should all be gone before you hit 30 days into your new vegging cycle. Good luck bro.
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Hey 4ever. It will take about 10 days of 18/6 to start her vegging again. Wait till about 4 days into the new cycle and give them a large dose to Nitrogen to goose them into leaf production. As the old flowering growth turns brown , remove it carefully and it should all be gone before you hit 30 days into your new vegging cycle. Good luck bro.
Hi Zig,
I am giving her 24h of light and I started to give her N, was that bad to do it so early???
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Naw, you'll be fine. Watch for N uptake the first couple days, it'll be slow at first and they'll be begging for it after a week.
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