hey, im not sure if this subject belong here or wether its been posted or not but awell.

ok so iv decided to try and grow the biggest plant possible outdoors!! purely for experimenting, iv got my other ladies so the bud quality isnt as important.
if anyone can make sujestions on how to go about this, eg extend the veg prosses, super fertilizers? lol anything to make a beanstalk for jakhama_2_mcmetz to climb

thanx in advance for your help.

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ah so its outdoors now..

ok, there IS an experimental method of doing this, some recomend it others dont. in aus about a decade or more ago i read about it in a colour book i bought on growing outdoors.

its colchicine treeting the seeds. if you google it youll get alot of info. what ppl will tell you is that cochicine is a poison etc etc. and its a fact that there is a very fine line between colchicine treatment and seed death, so you will need about 100 seeds or so to start off that experiment. but theory goes along the lines of...

the plant become polyploid, ie, you are doubling the number of chromosomes in the cells if im not mistaken. anyway the will go on to state the dangers of smoking the 1st generation because of the colchicine in the plants, but to me thats all bull. the amout of the stuff that will enter the seed is in itself miniscule, and even if it did spread all over the plant as it grows , which i dont think happens at all, the amount of the stuff you would end up inhaling would be so small as to defy measurement...

thats an advanced method anyway. and apart from that, use well tilled and good soil with a fair amount of chicken shit in the mix, just enough water and a shitload of sunshine. also start the plants in winter if possible get them as big as possible and transplant to the final plot in very early spring. the longer the growing season the bigger they will grow...

we have the KOG videos here online on outdoor growing in australia so look em up, im not sure if toke or iso posted them, but they are here. its real good info, in language youll understand 1st off.. trust me, even i learnt something from the barstard..

so.. the longer they grow the bigger they will be, as long as there is enough food water and sunshine.. if you start them in winter they have an extra month or two of vegging...

ill get back to you if you ve any technical problems... just ask

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another thing.. if you can get a strain from vietnam or cambidia as you said, it will definately be sativa, and these will grow from anywhere between 6ft and 12 ft, sometimes higher depending on strain and conditions.... indicas like youll probably get for indoors will never grow tall like a sativa or taste as sweet or be as energetic... the sort you can just smoke on and on without keeling over like a dead man

but hey im a bit biased towards sativas..
indicas make me sleepy

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Ileso, what would you recommend as far as a good sativa to try and find to plant here in Canada. I want to try starting some soon and see how they do here to harvest in October.

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For size you want to plant in the ground not a container. Dig a huge hole and add something like foxfarm and some dolminite lime to the hole. This is for soil conditioning.

Without any root contraints you should be impressed by the size. Of course you need to select something that is mainly Sativa also. So genetically speaking it will want to reach for the sky.

Be sure to keep the plant healthy. Bugs can really zap the energy out of a plant and that would cost you height.

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thanks guys. great info to get started, im certianly not limited to outdoor area so im going to dig and prep a large area pretty soon and let some worms move in, ill keep it posted. oh its all so exciting

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Pretty cool avatar you have too! One of my heroes.

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hey jangel,
the thing about sativas is finishing times.. you can find early flowering strains at some seedbanks... they are usually mostly sativa crosses to shorten the flowering time... dont know about actual strains though... depends what seed company you use, most will have sativa strains in there somewhere...

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im not really sure how to answer that jangel.
thats one of the reasons im working on the GP strain is to TRY, to get a sativa dominant strain with indica growing characteristics..

sorry love.. bit difficult cause sativas in general dont like short summers.
maybe black domina or something along those lines.. i hear it has a shorter flowering span than most

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iv heard that if you want to do a straight up sativa in this climate you should have a tent like frame to hang a tarp over, so that you can start covering it in the 1st couple of weeks of aug. that will give it a jump at the flowering and give time to finnish without worries of frost in late oct.
anyone iv talked to who has grown sats around here end up with skimpy unmatue popcorn bud, if they never covered them early on.

ps. it doesnt have to be a tarp(funny looking in the wild)
spruce branches work wonders for blocking light , just dont cut them till its time as they wont stay green more than a couple of weeks.

But going out there everyday at the same time to put the cover on and take it off would be a hassle. Remember close to the exact same time everyday.

Black Domina would give you some killer smoke and finish about the first week of Oct. or maybe a little earlier.

With no pots to constrain their roots even an Indica will put on size. But not the size of a Sativa for sure.

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Hey mr mcmetz, get those plants in the ground early. I put several Papaya babies in the ground in late march. Those were to get around 5-6 ft tall if planted outdoors, mine were over 12' tall. You may have to shelter them, I did, using a 2-1/2 gallon opaque plastic pail upside down over them. Worked like little mini green houses.
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Excellent advice.

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We still have snow in march and the ground is still frozen here to do that!

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You can't plant outdoors until the danger of frost is over.
The key to large yields is to start the plant in a greenhouse, or in an indoor grow room that is timed so that the plant doesn't interpret being set outside as a flower trigger.
Depending on your latitude, and the day you intend to plant outdoors, that could mean between 14 and 16 hours of lights on per day.
If you have a small greenhouse, then the key is to have a big pot that you can transport and transplant easily. If you start from a clone, you will have to make those clones under 14/10 lighting, or the plant will flower when you plant it in the greenhouse. If you start from seed, you don't have to be concerned about this.
A good pot can be made from chicken wire. Make a cylinder of chicken wire about 24 inches tall, 18 inches in diameter, and close off one end with chicken wire. Put this in a kitchen trash bag, and tape it tight--poke drain holes in the bottom, fill with a lightweight mix, and you are good to go. This makes about a five gallon pot. When you plant it outdoors, just dig a big hole, cut the plastic bag off, and plant the chicken wire pot.
Start the seeds by mid February, or plant the clone by March 1st. Get them growing as quickly as possible, with warmth, sun, and food. With good care, expect to plant a 3 to 4 foot tall bush by May 1st to June 1st.
When you plant outside, make a pot in the ground--at least 4 cubic feet if you want 2 pounds, 8 cubic feet if you are trying for four. Or use a very large container--30 to 60 gallons.
Expect to put in some 12 foot stakes, and to do a lot of tying, staking, and leaf removing as the season progresses. You'll need a lot of water and fertilizer.
Good luck--this worked for me 25 years ago--50 plants averaged 2 pounds each in 25 gallon containers. If I only had one plant, I'd try for four pounds.
And if possible, use a hybrid of Mexican sativa and Afghani indica.