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08-05-2007, 11:58 AM
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Rep Power: 167 | | Panda Plastic In my opinion....every garden should utilize Panda Plastic. Its removeable....easy to clean....protects walls and floors...and not to mention its a great reflector of light. I have a closet...about 20ft long, 10ft high and 2ft wide. Here's what Panda Plastic ($25 for 25'x10' piece), Duct Tape and a $10 staple gun did for me.... A veg/clone area Both sides are lightproof. In the future I hope to have a perpetual harvest. Clones/mothers and early veging will be done on the right side. Flowering will be done on the left side. I'll be purchasing a 250w HPS or MH for the right side...and keep my 400w HPS on the left. | 
08-05-2007, 12:05 PM
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what the hell is panda plastic?
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08-05-2007, 12:11 PM
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It's 6 ml thick plastic sheeting that is Black on one side and white on the other and comes in a 100' x 10' roll. Very versatile stuff.
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08-05-2007, 12:13 PM
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oh thats. good for keeping light out.. how much is the stuff?
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08-05-2007, 12:15 PM
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Rep Power: 167 | | Panda Plastic is basically a two sided sheet of plastic. One side is black the other side is white. To keep light in an area....line the area like you would do with mylar...with the white side of the plastic sheet facing outwards. Panda Plastic | 
08-05-2007, 12:16 PM
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About a buck to a buck and a quarter per linear foot....or around $90 for the entire roll at most hydro stores.
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08-05-2007, 12:17 PM
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08-05-2007, 12:20 PM
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thanks.. going to get some for my next grow. is it hard or soft plastic?
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08-05-2007, 12:33 PM
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08-05-2007, 12:53 PM
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ya i used the black tarp to build my box then i lined it with doller store wraping paper...about 20 bucks for all the supplies...
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08-05-2007, 01:12 PM
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thanks....
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08-05-2007, 05:04 PM
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Here is a newsletter I did a few months ago, saying the same thing: SMOKE AND MIRRORS!
No, we aren't about to talk about throwing a wild party! I'm talking about growing using the most efficient lighting reflectors.
I'm a closet grower! (pun intended) I literally grow in a closet and no one knows I am doing it. THANK YOU STEALTH HYDRO! If you spend hours researching REFLECTING LIGHTS in books or on the Internet, I assure you that you will find very mixed ideas and opinions. But listen to the voice of experience here. So, what is all this hype about anyway?
Available or suggested for use to reflect your lights are mirrors, aluminum foil, sheets of tin, Mylar film, glossy paper, dull white painted walls and high gloss white painted walls. You will read that mirrors are the best reflectors from one source, and then read that mirrors are the worst option to consider. Some advise says that the mirror has to accept the light passing through the glass and hit the back metal reflector, then bounce back through the glass again, and loose some of the reflection as it passes back through the glass. I've seen some experts recommend that the dull side of aluminum foil is best and some say the glossy side of aluminum foil is better and reflects more light. Some say aluminum foil is too thin and the light passes through it, reflecting very little light back to your plants. Then you read about "hot spots" and "burn spots" that are reflected from wrinkles in the foil. And other growers swear that nothing reflects like Mylar Film. Confusing? You bet! Mirrors, Mylar?
We have done the research for you, and my own personal opinion comes from experience, and trial and error. Mirrors are expensive, heavy and awkward to hang on the wall and dangerous if they fall. I've read too many horror stories about using aluminum foil and having fragile leaves literally burned to death because of wrinkles in the foil creating reflected hot spots. Walls painted with flat white paint work well, if you are prepared to allow them to get dirty and smelly from the sprayings and mistings. I am not a huge fan of fragile, flimsy Mylar as it cannot be wiped down and cleaned, you cannot mist/spray plants surrounded by Mylar, else it will literally be destroyed. Sure, out of the box, it starts with a 97% reflective capability, but it would be down to less than 70% within a couple of weeks simply due to wrinkling and getting dirty. Since Mylar is so fragile, attempting to clean it actually destroys it. Something better... The best material to use for persistent economical reflective capability is white polystyrene sheets. They are easy to install, inexpensive, easy to replace, and can also be cleaned with relative ease. They will average around 75-80% reflective capability for a fraction of the cost of Mylar too. The white polystyrene sheets are readily available at any Home Depot or Lowe's and most other hardware stores.
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08-05-2007, 05:32 PM
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Rep Power: 167 | | The plastic is by far the easiest to work with...mylar and the wrinkles/creases can be a pain....this plastic is easy to take down and put up someplace else. And keeping the growroom clean is much easier. If you want to be all "by the book"...you could replace it between grows and ensure yourself a cvean room. Too many pluses not to try it. | 
08-05-2007, 05:34 PM
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Hey he beat me too it. Anyone from RIU knows I swear by Panda Plastic. Good thead Bloodshot.
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08-05-2007, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BloodShotI'z The plastic is by far the easiest to work with...mylar and the wrinkles/creases can be a pain....this plastic is easy to take down and put up someplace else. And keeping the growroom clean is much easier. If you want to be all "by the book"...you could replace it between grows and ensure yourself a cvean room. Too many pluses not to try it. | Amen, Blood, you are absolutely right. I have read a dozen comparisons and THE PLASTIC is easier to clean and reflects better too.
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08-13-2007, 03:14 PM
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sure beats tinfoil!
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08-13-2007, 03:20 PM
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08-13-2007, 06:42 PM
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I am currently setting up my room and am using PP that I bought from a guy locally for $70 for 1000 sf. At work, we have a ton of used 2' X 3' foam core presentation boards which I am covering with the PP using 3M 777 spray glue. Then, I am attaching "male" velcro strips to the back of the panel corners. With these, and "female" velcro strips on the receiving wall, I can move these panels about anywhere I want them. Nice! Pics soon.
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08-13-2007, 07:29 PM
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08-13-2007, 07:34 PM
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Yeah it usually costs about 89.95 for 1000 sq. ft. but it's worth it, you don't really need to replace it like mylar and a 1000 sq. ft. goes a long way. You got a good deal and you got a great plan, I have a ton of that foamcore I might have to use your idea...you get full credit of course.
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