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"Recently many individuals and groups have started talking about another civil war in America. These people are not just from one ideology nor are they from obscure fringe groups. State Governors and elected representatives are some of the people calling for open warfare in America. As a soldier I was sent to combat zones in Iraq and Kosovo where open civil war was happening. I am writing this because American civilians have no idea what open warfare is. Before someone makes the first move and starts something that cannot be undone I think we all need to know what life would be like in our hometowns in the event of war.

To start with civil war would not be between two well defined groups. There would be no less than three groups in any one area and dozens in some areas. The federal government would be the third party in any armed conflict. At the beginning of civil war there would be martial law. The federal government would actively kill and imprison all persons not a member of the armed forces that participated in combat. Because of the degradation of our constitution the federal government no longer has any legal restraints. The President, whomever that person may be, has dictatorial powers because of such things as directive 51.

For those who think they would join any side in a civil war know this: When your enemies find out who you are everyone you know and care about would be in danger. All non combatants would also be in danger of death. Your enemies will kill everyone connected to you. This means your mom working at the local grocery store, your sons and daughters at grade school, or your grandparents at their home would all be targets for assassination. Before picking up arms to solve our problems remember that you will be putting all the people you know at risk of death.

Do not think that civil war would be limited to rifles. The only thing America actually produces is weapons of mass destruction. This includes mortars, grenades, rockets, land mines and the deadliest chemical weapons on the planet. We also have the world’s largest stockpile of nuclear weapons. This means when your mom goes to work your enemies will bomb and mortar the building she works in. Your child’s school will have the same fate. Know that if you survive any length of time you will see everyone you know die if there is civil war.

Some State Governors think they can simply secede from the union without bloodshed. This is a ridiculous delusion. If a state legislation does this there would be instant civil war. On every military installation across the globe American soldiers would kill each other overnight. Post commanders would have to detainee and execute all those not aligned with their own ideology. This means if your post commander is a republican all those soldiers known to be liberals would be executed. Liberal commanders would do the same to republicans.

The next thing to think about is the duration of the conflict. Simply put you will never see the end of it. If you live out your normal life and die of old age you will still not see the end of civil war. In the event of civil war America would never recover. There would never again be a union of 50 states. Instead our descendants would have several different nations just like Western Europe does.

Let us not forget our large stockpile of nuclear weapons. How long would it take for a conservative faction to nuke San Francisco or Seattle? How long would it take a mentally disturbed liberal to nuke parts of Texas and Alaska? Scarred and war weary soldiers will use whatever weapons they have at hand. So if you still want civil war in America remember that we have several hundred nuclear weapons to play with.

My whole point of this is that if you want to fix America then start restoring the things that made America in the first place. These things are the Constitution and the rule of law. There is no such thing as a unified people. We are all different from one another. The only thing that makes any nation is a constitution. The only civil society is the one that recognizes universal human rights. The only free nation is the one that obeys the rule of law. If you really want to fix America restore these things. This means voting.

The Foxholeatheist"

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well put!

Sounds like complete rubbish to me. To start with, mortars, grenades, rockets and land mines are NOT weapons of mass destruction. That sentence blows the writer's credibility out of the water. But, if you can get past that, you won't choke on the rest - which is pure baseless supposition, along with projecting what's happening on the ground in the mid-east onto the US. WE AREN'T ARABS OR KURDS OR PERSIANS!!! We aren't a tribal society and we don't have their religious and political conflicts.

Furthermore, does anyone here think the founding fathers all got along, held hands and sang kumbaya around the campfire? They disagreed, vehemently. In at least one case, this led to an eventual duel with pistols. These guys hated each other. But, they hated King George even more. That's the basis for any revolution - a common enemy. It's also one of the tools used to control populations... like the War on Terror and the War on Drugs and all the other things that seem scarier than our own gov't. It's not an accident. It's deliberate.

There have been quite a few rebellions in American history. Two early ones are Shay's rebellion and the whiskey rebellion, not to mention our civil war. Then, there is all the labor- and race-related strife of the last century. But, what the writer describes has never happened on American soil - ever.

The truth is simple. If only 20% of us stood up one day and said "No More!", that would be that. It's writers like this that make that sound crazy. What do they use to influence your thoughts? FEAR. Can't you tell when you're being manipulated? The writer here probably works for the FBI - a contract shill.

Think for yourself and don't believe whatever pabulum they're spooning you that day.

mmmm.... pabulum.

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-Michael

I should qualify that statement by saying that war is horrible. There's no question of that. I don't think it's necessary to have a war to change things. In fact, I don't think all the wars in history have changed very much, really, except who was in charge at the time. People are pretty much the same as they were when we sowed our first seeds (and built our first walls). There are no band-aids to fix what's broken and working within the system just gets you worked by the system.

There aren't any good answers to mankind's problems, in general, or the problems within the US, specifically. The problem is human nature, not government. I don't think we can change human nature... talking, hairless monkeys that don't think they're monkeys. What hope is there for eliminating greed, lust and rage from human civilization? As long as human nature is what it is, we are doomed. There's no frickin' way around it, either.

Sorry to be so grim. But, the truth about humans isn't very pretty.

Anyone want pancakes with their sunshine this morning?

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-Michael

you know.....maybe i'm a space cadet or completely naive but michael,i still believe the majority of humans have a good heart.....its the minority that let us down..... and if i stop believing that i think that i'm doomed!!

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Many people are goodhearted - on an individual basis. But, when we build walls and form groups, all that goes out the window.

Let me ask you, logically, if human nature is basically good, then why has the world always been at war with itself? It's never stopped - or even slowed down - since we lived in caves.

If humans were nice, there might be several other hominid species (and a zillion other species) still alive, sharing the Earth with us.

I understand the need to hang on to illusion. But, human kindness is generally an illusion that only happens on a small scale.

Study chimpanzee behavior and you will understand your own species better. They are exactly like us. The only thing they don't have is our higher intelligence. But, behaviorally, we are them and they are us. They're murderous and cunning... their society is brutal and based on dominance and submission.

This plays out in our personal lives, also. I have never been able to maintain a friendship or intimate relationship between two equals. It might start out that way. But, eventually, one becomes dominant and the other submissive. It's in our DNA and it SUCKS!

Our challenge here, as human beings, is to overcome our biological programming and transcend our baser instincts. Look around you and you will see how dismally that is working out. We are programmed by nature, first, then by our masters. This programming starts in the womb and is reinforced constantly, throughout our lives. We are so immersed, most of us never realize someone else is pulling our strings. Someone else is defining our existence and telling us what we want and how we feel - what will make us happy (and how much it costs).

We live in a box built by people who only want control and power. Every step we take in our lives is taken within parameters defined by the system. At this point, free will, self-determination and individuality are just empty phrases.

Welcome to the fun, happy place we call Earth. Mind your head.

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-Michael

Funny. All I got out of this was war sucks and we should avoid it. And things start to look much different when people start getting killed. But yeah, of course it's all supposition, just like saying that because it's never happened before it will never happen again. War, even on our homeland, has never really been pretty.

Also, I think his point with the weapon of mass destruction thing was that we don't fight in a noble duelist sort of manner. We bomb and mortar the pants off of people.

Take what you want though I guess. If you don't want to be manipulated though you need to go blind, deaf, and well, pretty much just kill yourself.

GOOD LUCK!

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as can be verified in other posts of mine, be prepared, dark times loom ahead. if you do not believe this and make yourself ready, you will have a rude awakening. disbelief will abound, but that does not negate the reality of our times. doomsayer? perhaps. prepared for the worst? definitely.

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Definitely heavy with conjecture, but the concluding paragraph does make relevant points. Especially the implication that the referendum lies in elections. If more would participate, the outcomes would have a furthered credibility, and could avoid this civil war we are edging toward in physicality, one which has some rhetorical skirmishes well underway. Regardless of defeat, even with the apparent shady dealings of the former Presidents assumption of the role, I had to painfully concede as this was the end of the process. It enlisted my intention to see the process cleaned up and to maintain a watchful eye on those empowered, further than previously I had been drawn. I am grateful for the shift toward transparency and non euphemistic governance with an appeal toward participation, though I'm under no false presumption that we are anywhere near where we ought to be (Schedule I, ahem) I am certainly grateful to be alive, here and now. In the here-now. Considering Humans evolution over the past hundred thousand years, and in general the hundreds of millions of years before that, I feel we are making swift (relatively) progress these last two hundred fifty some odd years regardless of the uncomfortable discrepancies and outright barbaric examples of our recent (relatively) past. Keep pushing the envelope with empathy and justifiable action, just make sure to vote often. And write these half mongoloid bastards (no offense, to half-mongoloids) a love letter from time to time telling them what's what and how you can get them kicked out (If Glenn Beck and fixed "News" can have such an impact, surely one with half a brain (literally?) could put the fear of god into them?) and what rallies you intend to bring to their neck of the woods. You might be surprised at how things unfold. This is a good networking site, it'd be nice if it were more than that (thanks for the proactiveness everyone, you know who you are....) How about a hundred thousand love notes, then, skeptics. I've actually seen the system work, on local and state levels. The feds don't have any kind of monopoly on bull**** and misdirection. We just need a larger group to hoist a larger middle finger... Not so hard when we do it one person at a time, reaching out to one more. Anyhow, Thanks Bostonites, and the few there I love and protect. You guys throw a good one, maybe I'll be back a little more frequently. I'll have you over for some tea, real soon... and some cider.

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"A word to the wise is infuriating."
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master."
"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
- The Immortal Hunter S. Thompson

I don't believe voting would make any difference in anyone's lot.

It seems that we have given away the power to choose. When we see candidates for national elections, these people have already been chosen as acceptable by the "powers that be". Any of these candidates will do whatever their masters want them to do. The only difference between parties is that one party tells you that the other party will screw you, and, vice versa. Neither will do what is in the interests of the ones who vote. The only things that ever get done are whatever keeps those in true power, in power.

The only way to change things for the better,.........God, what a bloody mess.

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Charlie

This Todd Rundgren lyric says it all for me:

Change Myself

Composer: Todd Rundgren

Half of me wants to knock you out
Half of me wants to tell you that I'm sorry, so sorry
Meanwhile, half of the world wants to scream and shout
at half of the world
Just like you and I
Just another fact of life

We plan and we scheme'
Til there's nothing left of our little dream
But half of the time I can't decide and
Half of the time I'm petrified

I want to change the world
I want to make it well
How can I change the world
When I can't change myself?
Try again tomorrow
I'd love to change your mind
Capture your citadel
How could I change your mind
If I can't change myself?
Try again tomorrow

Both of us want to win this fight
Both of us think the other is mistaken, so mistaken
Meanwhile, everyone wants to take up sides
So everyone helps us to fall apart
Just another fact of life
It's hard to play fair
And it's so easy to pretend to care
But if nobody wants to share the blame
Then everyone gets more of the same

If I want more peace in the world
Then I must make peace with myself
If I want more trust in the world
Then I've got to trust in myself
If I want more love in the world
I must show more love to myself

Plain and simple, if you don't vote, I don't want to hear you *****. I've got more respect for those who write in "Bugs Bunny" on their ballots than those who expect more sitting home and whining is going to produce different results. You want to take the power back, in the real world, there is no amount of force that can retrieve it. You have to stand together with those like-minded of your fellows, or be a cork afloat in the ocean. Suit yourself, but I intend to keep elevating the volume until I'm heard, or I expend my last breath. I've seen first hand what violence can do and am missing entire, beautiful pieces of my life due to it. This is not a game. There is no reset button, or extra lives. If anyone has any illusion of armed rebellion against this power glutton of a central government, be assured you're destruction would be imminent, and rather swiftly. Not only would you lay down your life in vain, you'd lose the hearts of the true revolutionaries, the ones trying to fix the problems in this ongoing (not yet failed, it's premature for that) experiment. Civil disobedience will win the war, as the tortoise, much more assuredly than massive armed unrest, the hare. You don't have to believe me, but why wouldn't you give it an honest attempt?

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"A word to the wise is infuriating."
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master."
"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
- The Immortal Hunter S. Thompson

"Plain and simple, if you don't vote, I don't want to hear you *****. I've got more respect for those who write in "Bugs Bunny" on their ballots than those who expect more sitting home and whining is going to produce different results."

Hahahaha.... If only. In Oklahoma, write-ins are illegal. Yay conservative America! Freedom! Values! I love it.

But still, the idea that the world can't be changed and that it is all a lost cause is not one that I subscribe to. I believe the Internet, the very thing we're using right to communicate ideas, is the foundation for a new age of humanity -- a free age of humanity. But that will only happen if we want it and are willing to protect it.

The corporate powers have already made several attempts to destroy the basic underlying structure of the Internet in favor of more profit. (Note: This means allowing them to control everything you see and hear, kinda like the big news networks...)

But regardless, civil war, or any war, shouldn't be what anyone is after.

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Yeah, I forgot about those little idiosyncrasies in the "democratic process", outlawing write-ins and such. You always seem to have your dome screwed on tight, I can appreciate that. I have to second your thoughts on this here interwebs. People tend to forget the progresses that have been made, twenty years ago this wouldn't even be possible. No one is getting the water cannon in Watts, and the shootings on campus are done by psychopathic/sociopathic degenerate scum students, rather than psychopathic/sociopathic degenerate scum National Guardsmen. There are medical marijuana laws in more than a handful of states, and cannabis dispensaries where there used to only be dealers. The Supreme Court has decided that Federal Law does not supersede state and municipal legislations, a real biggie. Granted there are a record number of arrests this past and previous years, but I think also there is a growing consciousness among the people, especially due to the ease of access provided by this here interweb machine. I know how painfully slow progress is, and there are plenty invested in halting it all together, and I use the word invested for it's implied duality. Thank you for keeping up on these issues, you are doing a great service to society at large. As to the regulation of the internet, those attempts are failing miserably for the most part. In Europe, I'm aware there are several instances where they are closing in on such a farce. I really hope the resistance to such things prevails, and I'm optimistic for at least one reason... It is not corporate entities on which the internet relies for the most part, there is an embedded network of pragmatists who view information as I do, proprietary of the public at large, free and unfettered by censors of any kind. It is closer to a reality today than through most of history, and any battle to the contrary is going to find stiff resistance by those who have become so well adapted and adaptable to this information plethora. I am not that tech savvy, but I do know of many who are well suited to circumvent any such victory on the evil ones' part. I hope , no, I am well assured that even OK will come around eventually. The tough part is the waiting, and the work ahead. And corporations need to be remanded to their original intent: co-ops of individuals with a termination date (originally this was the case, their temporary nature) and not to be treated as a human entity unto itself, but to have strict limitations on the scope of their reach as well as deflection of liability. There is no question that they are of the worst inventions, at least in this current incarnation, to ever be allowed in the name of capitalism. Fair play in competition has been tossed squarely out the window (yeah, I have a flare for understatement from time to time) only to be replaced by monopolous gluttonous giants with more rights and more influence than you and I, and most of us together, combined. That is why we need as many individuals as we can get to stand up and say no. Now I'm just rambling, thanks for the kind words.

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"A word to the wise is infuriating."
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master."
"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
- The Immortal Hunter S. Thompson

Plain and simple, personal insults absolutely will not be tolerated here. I don't want to hear them.

Furthermore, what makes you think your respect is so precious that it would shatter an anonymous stranger on the internet to lose it? I think your perception of the value of that particular commodity might be inflated.

If you can't debate and refer to the issues, rather than insult the people with whom you disagree, then you probably don't want to be hanging out in this particular forum. It will be a slippery slope for you.

I really don't care what you think about the issues or, in this case, a reprinted op/ed kinda thing. You can tell us you agree or disagree and why you think certain ideas or opinions aren't valid. But, you cross the line when you insult other members here.

Don't do it again.

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-Michael

Calm down, there mikey. No one is personally insulting anyone. You seem to be taking an insulting tone with me, is that a modicum of hypocrisy I detect. And before you think I'm insulting you, I was just asking the question. As for the detesting of violence and apathy, it is an opinion. You can do what you like, seeing you've got the power. Pull the trigger if that's what you'd really like to do. Next time you have an issue, especially personal, It's only advisable that you put it in a personal request through a personal message, not that I'm telling you what to do, I can care less. But I have to ask, what's with the "enter at your own risk" b.s. about then?

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"A word to the wise is infuriating."
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master."
"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
- The Immortal Hunter S. Thompson

Just so you know, my compadre, I wasn't insulting you or anyone in particular. I quote responded myself for that particular purpose, to avoid such a misgiving. Apparently I wasn't clear enough for everyone's comprehension that it was my opinion that if someone doesn't participate, they're opinion on the process is hollow. Please, If I offended anyone, well, tough titty. That's just the way it is. I'm tiptoeing around in a forum where others are not so subtly hinting at armed rebellion, seems a bit odd to single out my comments, but apparently I'm not deserved of anyone's respect or consideration. I'll say it one last time, you can never give offense, it must be taken. I have a feeling, hopefully not unjustified, that you'll understand. Thanks a billion.

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"A word to the wise is infuriating."
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master."
"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
- The Immortal Hunter S. Thompson

"You can never give offense, it must be taken."
I'll second that.

I didn't realize there was something I should take offense to?

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My first grow! Check it out! (Perpetual Round Two! Starting at post #61)

Cannabis is a transformation, f(x), such that -> and -> . Do the math and smoke!

Nothing to my knowledge, I definitely wasn't implying anything, I just figured I'd address it to you as it's your thread. If anyone deserves consideration for such things I normally defer to such a progenitor.

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"A word to the wise is infuriating."
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master."
"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
- The Immortal Hunter S. Thompson