seriously, i do not want to offend anyone, or start any type of conflict. in fact, i even hesitate to post this. however, i would like to discuss it with my peers. just a mature, logical conversation regarding a possibly volatile subject. i hope that can be done. if not, please feel free to delete this post with explanation (just because i am curious by nature and question all things ), please.

here goes, gulp, why is black on white crime such a seemingly taboo subject?
i ask this, because while doing a google search for tattoo images a little awhile ago, i stumbled upon a news article about a black guy in Texas who killed and cooked his white girlfriend. that stunned me, i mean something that crazy would make the national news right? i didnt hear about it, and it happened several years ago! if a white guy had done this to a black woman, Al Sharpton would've had a coronary, not to mention make sure it got as much press as possible!
and because, sure enough, there is a youtube post about it, there is a video about it at the end of this post.

i mean, perhaps a little reverse racism is going on? am i a bad person for pondering such things? help me out here guys.
it seems that it goes unreported or is kept hush hush in the media and in mainstream society. i mean, it goes on, it happens, as does white on black crime. however, it seems, that when there is an instance of white on black crime it is 9 times out of 10 touted as a hate crime, while if black on white crime occurs, it isnt. im not saying this is the case every time, because nothing is truly absolute on this Earth. it just seems that way.

there is that, and then there is a second experience that happened earlier today that confounded me. after displaying my pride in my ancestry (i am Norse and Irish, i have a shamrock tattoo and thors hammer as well on my forearm and unmentionables) today at work, i was asked if i was a white supremacist by one of the nurses on that floor. i could not believe the words that came out of her mouth. i mean, i am 6 ft 2, 265 lbs, with shoulder length strawberry blonde hair and a red bushy goatee. how in the world could i come across as a skin head? since when is being Irish cause to be racist? when i replied that i was just proud of my heritage, i was told that that made me a racist, or at least look like one. am i missing something here? now, granted, i took this with a grain of salt, but it just blew my mind. i told her i didnt understand and i apologized (why? it was a reaction and i dont even know why i said that, i had not done anything wrong), and told her i was needed downstairs on another floor, just to escape the situation. i mean, i have to wear long sleeves at work because of my tattoos to begin with, and i dont want to rock the boat. especially in todays economy.

if i have offended anyone, i humbly and respectfully apologize, but i also wonder how it is that i have offended you? if you would so desire, please feel free to PM me and we can discuss it in private, or we can here in the forum, it doesnt matter to me, whatever your preference. peace and freedom

i want to close by saying, I AM NOT A RACIST.

- Sprocket

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wasnt that volatile if you still have no reply's
hehehehe...

to tell you the truth the only racism, if you want to call it that is the title of the youtube video. the title seams to be edging people towards the whole racist thing. other than that, i think its the usual freakshow murder case that everyone sort of lifts an eyebrow to, secretly prays never to be cooked and eaten and forgets about it....

horrific, but then so is watching american troops use a fallen enemy (or not) for target practice whilst laughing and chearing at the same time...

pick and choose...

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Hey Sprocket,

The shamrock is a white supremacist symbol. I don't know why. But, it is quite common in prisons. If someone goes into certain prisons with a shamrock tatoo, and is not a member of one of those gangs, survival becomes very difficult.

Don't go to prison.

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I don't think race is relevant when people are killing and cooking one another.

Just my (maybe naive) $0.02.

Also, "I'm just proud of my race" is a stock answer given by white supremacists to explain themselves.

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I dunno mike, some people like white meat....some people like dark...

i can see that, i guess, but i never told her "i am proud of my race", im proud of my heritage, of my Irish and Nordic descent. i dont see how that is shameful, or why i should not be proud of who i am. it seems like if you are proud to be of african descent you get a month once a year to smother everybody else with it, but if you are white, and say the same thing, you are labeled a racist. i dont get it. talk about a double standard.
im assuming noone is replying, because they are afraid that they will be labeled a racist.

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You're right. It's an unfair double-standard.

But, that's how it is.

I apologize for the misquote. In that particular context, though, the white supremacists use "heritage" and "race" interchangeably. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

By the way, I don't think you're a racist and I applaud your boldness in taking up such a potentially controversial subject. And, so far, it hasn't blown up in your face. Kudos.

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yeah, and hopefully it wont, lol. it sounds like white supremacists need to get a handle on their vocabulary. race and heritage are two different things, though intertwined. word value goes a long way.

i cant believe that the shamrock is a white supremacist symbol, i mean, WTH?
so i guess St. Paddy's day is gonna be called a racist holiday next, lol.

i dont care either way, i go out of my way to help people of all colors and creeds. the only people i "hate" are those that transgress against my family or me. though i have a thicker skin, lol.

i do not advocate or condone racism on any level.

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It is a fine edge we walk dealing with this subject. My thoughts are that it has swung so far the other way, that now we are so sensitive to it, it is a "labelled offense".

I am half Romanian. I know many that are Polish or Hungarian, or whatever and live in their communities showing their cultural pride. Is that racism? I don't see it that way. I believe when it hits the "MY race is better than yours" part, then it is racism. I have never said nor thought that. Once we, as the human race, get over this differentiation, and consider each unique and beautiful in their own right, then we will have equalization and non-racism. I think it is simply a swing to the other side right now we are experiencing. And it happens all the time in society, over generations. All part of societies trying to be "politically correct" about gender, race, religion and cree. The swing of the pendulum.

Good subject, Sprocket, and nicely handled.

Peace

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The supremacists couch their rhetoric in terms very similar to what you are both saying - ok, they say exactly what you are both saying. That's how they justify their existence and rationalize their behavior.

Sad, but true.

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How else do we discuss this then? I know I see others without colour and being an online site, there is no way to know a simple thing like skin colour. I don't care any which way, but it does equalize everything.

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I'm afraid the Aryans have painted all of us into a corner.

Again, it's not fair. But, it's the truth of the situation.

Besides, what is there to say that hasn't already been said a million times?

Has anyone had anything new to say about race relations since the 1970s?

I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss it. But, I can't see the percentage in it, either. What will be gained by it? What might we lose? A simple cost/benefit analysis says it all.

The truth often sucks. This truth really sucks.

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Originally Posted by jangel It is a fine edge we walk dealing with this subject. My thoughts are that it has swung so far the other way, that now we are so sensitive to it, it is a "labelled offense". I am half Romanian. I know many that are Polish or Hungarian, or whatever and live in their communities showing their cultural pride. Is that racism? I don't see it that way. I believe when it hits the "MY race is better than yours" part, then it is racism. I have never said nor thought that. Once we, as the human race, get over this differentiation, and consider each unique and beautiful in their own right, then we will have equalization and non-racism. I think it is simply a swing to the other side right now we are experiencing. And it happens all the time in society, over generations. All part of societies trying to be "politically correct" about gender, race, religion and cree. The swing of the pendulum. Good subject, Sprocket, and nicely handled. Peace

i could not have said it any better, any simpler. well spoken (written?), jangel.

on another note, i am still in shock about the shamrock being a freaking white power symbol. when did this happen?

here is a pic of it:



how can that be offensive? and no, the crown doesnt mean anything. if it did, i would say so. it was the better choice out of all the shamrock flash at the tattoo shop.

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I have no idea. It's news to me, too. But, there are a million new prison gangs and they're always corrupting something sacred to somebody.

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Originally Posted by Michael I'm afraid the Aryans have painted all of us into a corner. Again, it's not fair. But, it's the truth of the situation. Besides, what is there to say that hasn't already been said a million times? Has anyone had anything new to say about race relations since the 1970s? I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss it. But, I can't see the percentage in it, either. What will be gained by it? What might we lose? A simple cost/benefit analysis says it all. The truth often sucks. This truth really sucks.

very true Michael.
so how are those of us that are white supposed to handle this? i mean if we get called a cracker, honkie or something else, its ok 9 i actually think its funny, cracker, lmao Im a saltine personally :O ), but if we say anything derogatory (again, i do not condone or support racism) towards a black person, even in the same conversation, then we are labeled as a racist. and i am not referring to just the "N" word. i hate that word, mostly because i hear it all the time at work. "whats up my ****a?" that got old maybe 5 years ago. let it go, lol.
i dont know, it just seems like complete BS. how long will it go on?

here are some interesting facts i have found on the web:

*Through 1973 and 1974, Black Muslims committed 16 random Black on White murders known as the Zebra Murders. In one instance, a man's penis was cut off while he was still alive. At the time, two teams of San Francisco Examiner reporters could find not a single Black person who expressed sympathy for the randomly chosen White victims.

*On Oct. 31, 1977, three young White women attended a Halloween block party in Long Beach, California. As they walked through the crowd, Black men began harassing them with racial taunts and obscene gestures. Among the reported chants were: "We hate White people; f**k Whites." The two Whites tried to ignore the Black individuals, but the Black women involved soon began egging on the males, and the taunting soon escalated into violence. The three Whites tried to run, but Blacks of both sexes surrounded them and inflicted a horrible beating.

When all was said and done, although witnesses said that about forty Black people participated, police had arrested only nine Black girls and a Black boy, ages twelve to seventeen. One of the White female victims dreamed of being a professional photographer, but a skateboard used as a club damaged her eyes permanently to the point that she can never pursue that dream. The other two girls received concussions, bruised lungs, and broken bones. All had their earrings ripped out. As strange as it may sound, the attorney for the assailants argued that this crime was not racially motivated. WTF? Authorities disagreed but ended up giving the assailants light sentences anyway, arguing that the Blacks had good school records and should not have to suffer inappropriately for going wrong this one time. No mention of it being a hate crime.

*In May 1992, Blacks rioted in Los Angeles over the Rodney King verdict. White truck driver Reginald Denny, who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, was one of the victims. Two Blacks pulled him from his truck, beat him unconscious and smashed his head with a fire extinguisher. Another Black danced up to Denny, smashed him in the head with a brick and strutted a jig over his broken, helpless body. In that riot, 58 people died and 5,300 buildings were reduced to ashes. Denny survived with brain damage. After recovering enough to speak, Denny took the Politically Correct view that his attackers were not racially motivated. They were just upset about continued injustice to Blacks. The media reported Denny's brain-addled response with glee.

*All Black on White crime is not native to America. On August 25, 1993, Amy Biehl, a 26-year-old White student from Stanford University, traveled to South Africa to help free Blacks from White rule. While there, she gave three of her Black friends a ride to their home in a Cape Town slum. That would be the last thing she ever did. For no apparent reason, young Blacks pulled her out of her car and hit her in the face with a brick. Amy ran from her attackers but didn't get far. They caught her and beat her to death as she begged for mercy. If this crime had occurred in the United States, how would the media cover it?

*Recall the infamous "wilding" incident in New York's Central Park, in which a gang of young Blacks beat a White female jogger almost to death simply because they were bored? Recall also the joyous Black response to the O.J. Simpson murder trial verdict, which freed a Black on White murderer? Many Blacks said that it was fine that a Black celebrity got away with murdering his estranged White wife because in the Jim Crow days Whites often got away with murdering Blacks. Does that kind of thinking explain why this happens?

*On March 22, 2003, 7-year-old Dana Marie Pliakas, a white girl, attended a party in the Pittsburgh-area apartment of Rodney Burton, a black guy. At some point Dana got into an argument with Burton's 19-year-old girlfriend, Brittany Williams, who is a black girl.She girl punched Dana and tore her clothes off.

Eyewitnesses reported that Williams and Burton then beat and tortured Pliakas for several hours as the girl begged for her life. Later, Burton and Williams let Pliakas get dressed, escorted her out of the apartment, and returned shortly afterward alone. Pliakas was later found dead, shot in the head. Police Superintendent Kenneth Fulton said that Miss Pliakas "probably spent eight or nine hours under the hand of these two individuals, to be tortured, stripped, beaten, and shot in the back of the head and that was a pretty bad thing for a junior in high school." What a gross understatement!

*On Saturday, January 6, 2007, White Channon Christian, 21, and White Christopher Newsom, 23, of Knoxville, Tennessee, went out on a date. Outside the home of friends, they were carjacked and kidnapped. For the next twenty-four hours, their three Black male captors and the female sister of one of the assailants beat and tortured the two young White victims. In addition, they gang-raped Mr. Newsom, and gang-raped Miss Christian. They then cut off his penis while he was still alive, forcing his girlfriend to watch. They also urinated on the young woman, made her drink cleaning fluid, and either strangled or suffocated her to death.

They then killed Mr. Newsom with multiple gunshot wounds and transported his bullet-ridden corpse to a dumping ground. When police found Miss Christian's corpse stuffed into a garbage can, they were shocked to learn that her attackers had at some point cut off her breasts. Interestingly, the details of the crimes were considered so horrific that authorities would not release accounts to the news media for fear of putting Blacks in a bad light and upsetting race relations. The facts emerged only when some enterprising reporters checked documents filed in federal court.

so apparently, there is more to it than i ever imagined. wow. is this what they had in mind with affirmative action?

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Idunno... I'm from the south. So, to me, the fact that black people hate white people is pretty unimpressive. I grew up in it. We used to fight every day. I had to fight my way home from school - every damned day. So, telling me that crowds of black people can, and will, hurt random whites is just common sense. I lived it.

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I see the point sprocket is getting at...I often wondered the same thing...The double standard has always bothered me...I mean equal rights in my mind means everythings equal...the good and the bad you get it all the same just like me and just like them.

I am of a mixed ethnicity Irish and Chilean...and have experienced this double standard many times...once at a BBQ where everyone was of latino decent the words White Boy where slung around like no big deal and obviously directed at me=)...so I said to my best friend who happens to be from El Salvador...Hey can you give me the lighter Brown Boy=)...Maaaaaan I almost go beat down by a group of dudes there so fast it wasnt even funny=) But once they where told my name and that I am latino too my comment became funny ...LAME.

As far as the Shamrock goes...the 3 leaf clover symbolized the Aryan Brotherhood Prison Tattoos: Aryan Brotherhood Clover - From A Visual Database of Extremist Symbols, Logos and Tattoos

My Mom's brother is a member...he is also a lifer in Corcoran and a total piece of ####

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hahaha i doubt YOUR shamrock would be seen as a white power symbol. mainly bc it is too "urban". typical white-power stuff is traditional and bold where as this is more like graffiti and bright and fun.

but with shows like Gangland and Oz and other various fictional/nonfictional shows about gangs in the US and abroad its no wonder people will think crazy stuff.

it is a shame that these double standards exist but such double standards exist in all areas of life these days.

just have to grin and bear it or get enough people on your side to change it...but as a white male that isnt going to happen any time soon.

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The AB use the cloverleaf? I didn't know that. But, then again, I stay away from those boys. They aren't my kinda people.

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Yeah dude...Not my kind of folks either...I met my moms bro once and he had that thing blasted on his neck...what a toole.

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