I just had my second flu jab this year, one general and one specific. Other than the incompetant medic practically injecting it into the bone, no problems... I have not had the flu in years. :-)

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Hi all,

I haven't had a flu shot for over 30 years and haven't caught the flu (well, maybe once) in all that time. I don't have to worry about any crazy additives (Thimerosal is dangerous and isn't anywhere close to being safe for human beings) like Thimerosal or the very dangerous adjuvants (which are included in the Swine Flu vaccine, not sure about some of the other vaccines) which caused tens of thousands of our troops (Gulf War) to suffer in ways unimaginable to most (Gulf War Syndrome caused by adjuvants).

"The use of adjuvants enables the use of less antigen to achieve the desired immune response, and this reduces vaccine production costs. With a few exceptions, adjuvants are foreign to the body and cause adverse reactions." - Viera Scheibner, Ph.D. -

Scheibner's credentials: Viera Scheibner, Ph.D. CV









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President Obama Declares National Emergency Over Swine Flu Pandemic; But why?


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Mike Adams
October 24, 2009.

According to the CDC, swine flu infections have already peaked, and the pandemic is on its way out. Peak infection time was the middle of October, where one in five U.S. children experienced the flu, says the CDC. Out of nearly 14,000 suspected flu cases tested during the week ending on October 10, 2009, 99.6% of those were influenza A, and the vast majority of those were confirmed as H1N1 swine flu infections. (CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - Weekly Report: Influenza Summary Update)

Even though the H1N1 pandemic appears to have peaked out, U.S. President Barack Obama has now declared a national emergency over swine flu infections. The reasoning behind such a declaration? According to the White House, it's designed to "allow hospitals to better handle the surge in patients" by allowing them to bypass certain federal laws.

Emergency powers trump the Bill of Rights

That's the public explanation for this, but the real agenda behind this declaration may be far more sinister. Declaring a national emergency immediately gives federal authorities dangerous new powers that can now be enforced at gunpoint, including:

• The power to force mandatory swine flu vaccinations on the entire population.

• The power to arrest, quarantine or "involuntarily transport" anyone who refuses a swine flu vaccination.

• The power to quarantine an entire city and halt all travel in or out of that city.

• The power to enter any home or office without a search warrant and order the destruction of any belongings or structures deemed to be a threat to public health.

• The effective nullification of the Bill of Rights. Your right to due process, to being safe from government search and seizure, and to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination are all null and void under a Presidential declaration of a national emergency.

None of this means that federal agents are going to march door to door arresting people at gunpoint if they refuse the vaccine, but they could if they wanted to. Your rights as an American are no longer recognized under this national emergency declaration.

What Emergency?

The declaration of this national emergency seems suspicious from the start. Where's the emergency? The number of people killed by swine flu in the United States is far smaller than the number of people killed each year from seasonal flu, according to CDC statistics. People obviously aren't dropping dead by the millions from H1N1 influenza. Most people are just getting mild flu symptoms and a few days later they're fine.

So where's the emergency?

The only emergency I can see is the emergency fabricated by Big Pharma to sell more vaccines. By declaring a national emergency over the H1N1 pandemic, Obama is playing right into their hands.

I find the timing of all this curious. Two days ago, New York gave up on its efforts to require mandatory vaccinations of health care workers. This was designed to defuse a large number of planned protests from health freedom-conscious people who don't want government-mandated chemicals pumped into their veins.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

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Added after seeing that the last post was not the last post: I dunno mate... but generally one awaits a reply to a post, before one adds great tracts of information in a new post... or one edits one's post... the only time I can see it acceptable to double post is in the journal section.

What it boils dopwn to it just shouting people down... to be honest (for me) you post too much to read... so your quite possibly valid point gets lost on me. Anyway, in reply to the post before the last double post you put up .......

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I am very happy that you have not caught the flu very often. Other than that I am afraid that I think this chat about how bad the jab is for you, is simply alarmist nonsense that should be condemned out of hand. I just don't understand what the problem with vaccinations is. As long my family and I get the jabs, anyone who thinks that they do more harm than good... bon chance.

To address the issues raised, nothinhg personal corsican. I have heard this from partners and friends the world over, what seems to link them is that they are all tokers... watch out for paranoia a well known side effect of chuffing weed.

I suffer from chronic asthma, I don't need the flu.. I had pneumonia twice, it nearly killed me both times... I now have a pneumonia jab as well. I doubt that some one HIV positive would sniff at being protected from diseases as well.

My guess is that the people who recommend not having the flu jab, are the same people who want to see the great 'rapture' when the chosen ones ascend to heaven... forgive me if I drop out of that, and just watch while they pass on, waving goodbye cheerfully from mother earth..

My opinion is that all the people who think that vaccinations are bad for us, should really go and all live together somewhere as far away from the rest of the population as possible, we'll see which society lasts the longest. Oh stupid me, one can see what happens, just look at the third world. I wonder how many people without simple vaccinations for measles, malaria, cholera, Beri Beri, bilharzia, small pox, plague etc would view this decadent transparent nonsense. I bet they are going, no, forget it, we don't want the jabs coz some prick in the USA/UK/EUROPE thinks there is a one in a trillion chance that I might suffer some side effects. ROFLMAO
I was definitely under the impression that Gulf War syndrome was down to the cocktail of chemicals designed to ward off nerve gas and the like, how anyone can equate that with a flu jab, beggars belief.
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No offense taken,

You just made a major generalization and assume that anyone who doesn't think like you must be a religious fanatic or poorly educated/informed. I don't tell people to stay way from all pharmaceuticals, just the ineffective and dangerous ones. I also recommend that people do thorough research and look at both sides of the coin. I've come to realize that we've been intentionally lied to on a number of very important and life altering topics. My views have nothing to do with religious beliefs whatsoever and everything to do with weeding out junk science and biased unscientific claims made in order to support political and corporate interests/investments/agendas.

The facts indicate that it won't be the community you choose to belong to. Watch a few of the video clips I provided.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

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Thank you Corsican, but I have already educated myself on the subject. Like you, no-one is going to change my mind on the matter.

PS. I was not specifically referring to you, just the general thing about vaccines. Like I said, your choice, good luck

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Psyops,

That wasn't my intent at all and I'm sorry you see things that way. It has nothing to do with "shouting" or anything like that. I'm the OP and I'm adding information to my post, simple as that. I don't know why you would make a statement like that without, at the very least, contacting me privately and asking me if that was indeed my intent. Let's try and keep the personal comments out of this as they will only lead to the degradation of what I think has been a pretty good thread so far.

Thanks,

-the Corsican.

P.S.,

You're assuming something that isn't true concerning me. You're right that I doubt the effectiveness of vaccines in general but I still keep an open mind and look at new information or information that challenges those beliefs. You can't learn anything when you think you already know it all.

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Thank you for your private message.

This is, indeed, a good discussion.

But, as the Corsican says, it's getting a bit personal. There's no reason for that.

Let's agree to disagree when and where appropriate.

There is no need for cutting remarks. They only serve to divide, not to convince.

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Completely fair sentiments. Over here we went through this whole business with the MMR (measles mumps and rubella) jab. It caused a huge scare, and (for me) was proved to be incorrect. I base my views on that exhaustive study. I still know plenty of people who still believe it. I assure you it was a hot topic round the kitchen table, many people opining were parents of small children.

For me, the infintesimal chance that my sprogs might possibly be damaged by the jab, vs going down with a bunch of common and very nasty viruses. For me, easy choice. Others balance the chances and consequences of that choice differently to me. Happily my children have not become autistic, nor have any of the other children I know who have had the jab, and they are legion. Thankfully that is freedom of choice, long may it prevail. Each to their own and all that.

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Hey everyone, just thought i'd give my 2 cents...I'm currently recovering from having flu-like symptoms. I was sick for 3 weeks,started improving then became sick again but it felt more like a cold or even allergies. I'm 32 years old and in relatively good health.. I've never had any flu shots. Lot's of fluids, rest and some vitamins helped as well. My point is that I belive an otherwise healthy person does not require a flu shot as long as the flu is treated properly.

Completely agree with you.

ps. but it is nice not to have the flu in the first place.

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Right on guys (Psyops),

The results vary from person to person. In my opinion the risk outweighs the reward. I'm definitely not judging anyone who decides to get a vaccination. If that's what they feel is the right choice for them then who am I to argue? The only thing I would advise (to anyone) is that they look at the evidence from both perspectives. If you've looked at both sides and feel vaccines are safe (or not safe) then you've probably done more than the majority has. My philosophy is think for yourself, do your own research and don't depend on others (especially our criminal government) to make your decisions for you.

The new flu bugs and weird sicknesses in general that have appeared in the last few decades is something we should all be concerned about, especially how they suddenly appeared. I'm skeptical when it comes to these new killer diseases and I don't think it's far-fetched at all to be suspicious of governments (in relation to bio-warfare programs). I know the dirty little secrets that the majority of people are unaware of when it comes to malevolent government programs. They have been kept hidden over the years because they experimented on people without their knowledge or consent and the overall reasons for those experiments were not for the betterment of mankind or our nation.

-the Corsican.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

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just think, we survived for thousands and thousands of years without vaccines. big brother needs to butt out.

on a personal note, the Corsican, i rather enjoy your posts. i find them very informative and quite easy to read. of course i am used to reading novels in one or two days tops, so my experience may differ from others

-just my $0.00002

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True, but what was the average life expectancy and what was the death rate over that time.

The humanity survived for thousands of years without antibiotics too. Hell, we have survived without the internet as well, and without airbags, parachutes, fire exstinguishers, wind power and hydroponics. Some people still do (I guess) the Amish.

I found it interesting in the videos which I have now watched.

In the first instance, looking at the graphs, sure infection declined at the same time as and before vacines were introduced. Thankfully public health is a many pronged fork.. clearly sanitation, personal hygene etc also improved, along with diet and eduction. The video does not speak to me, the germanic accent does not help LoL.

The Main Stream Media Bobby Kennedy jnr. interview. How funny, a junky* is advising people on what is good to shoot up and what isn't. I guess he has some knowledge of needles. This is the same man, who only jumped on the enviromental band wagon whilst forced to do community service on probation following his junk conviction. The same man who travels to environmental conferences in a private jet, and who has also launched a brand of mineral water in support of the environment, when any fule knows that bottled water is the most rediculous travesty of environmental good thinking.

Bobby Kennedy is clearly as daft as David Ike.

* I defend his right to do what he likes.. but I can't be expected to take him seriously.

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my point, my friend, is that our bodies are designed to evolve and adapt to our environments.
it is possible to interfere with biology too much. not all medicine is good medicine. i find though, that the natural remedies were put here for a purpose. of course i am not against advances in medicine or even technology, but i will say that some things, while appearing necessary, can be in fact, unnecessary. but, to each his own.

in regard to paranoia , i find it keeps me safe . though it can be maddening at times.

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Psyops,

That's the point of the graphs, those specific diseases were already on the decline. Vaccination had no effect on eradicating those diseases like we were told growing up in school (at least I remember being told that). At the turn of the century hygiene and sanitation were vastly improved, severely effecting the spread of disease. By the time these highly publicized vaccination campaigns came about those diseases were virtually wiped out.

I'm sorry man but that's offensive to me. So what if the guy got caught up in drugs, we all stumble at some point our lives whether it's drugs or something else. Some people would consider lack of consideration for other people a worse offense then drug abuse. That's just a way to smear a person, i.e., an ad hominem attack. So he's rich, big deal. He seems sincere to me when it comes to the environment. Every time I've seen the guy speaking on the environment he's been pretty effective. I'd rather see him as our President then Obama or Bush or Clinton, that's for sure. Kennedy is not even in the same class as David Icke. To mention them in the same sentence just doesn't make any sense.

-the Corsican.

P.S.,

I'm glad you took the time to watch the videos Psyops, thanks.

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mature, peaceful conversations such as this are one of the many reasons why i have grown so very fond of this site.

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I haven't had a flu shot in over 12 years... Not going to start now.
If the gov tries to make it mandatory, I will still refuse.
Anyone that tries to force me to take it will be staring down the barrel of a very large caliber leadslinger.

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The history of vacines may well have been hyped, I can accept that happily. But to my mind, they were hyped for a good reason. At the same time as sanitation etc was improved, the density of population particularly in urban areas increased. People living and breathing closer and closer together, with all the good hygene in the world, one person with a virus coughing on a bus and you have an epidemic.

The way I see it is that general improvements public health have been maintained by vacination. In the video the professor talks about small out breaks caused by vacines. Even if this is true, it goes to show how general vacination contained the problem. The source of the out break in a non vacinated population could have been entirely natural, and may have been devistating.

I think 97% efficacy is pretty damn good.

LoL... my motto has always been "Only the paranoid survive" ... posting on this forum has been therapy in that department. ;)

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Originally Posted by snickelfritz I haven't had a flu shot in over 12 years... Not going to start now.

And I would back you up with a baseball bat, no-one should be forced to inject anything into their body.

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