I think it depends on who is getting the vaccine and what the vaccine is for. I never get the flu, I haven't been seriously sick in so long I can't remember. I'd rather not have my body processing any form of mercury if I can help it. If the only benefit I get from having a trace amount of thiomersal go through my body is I am vaccinated against something that wouldn't have bothered me anyway, I'll go without the vaccine.

Suit yourself, that is the point of getting factually acquainted with the claims against it's use. There ARE Flu vaccinations that are completely devoid of all thimerosal, ethylmercury. These include single dose injection types, and all live virus intranasal delivery systems. I myself, limit my seafood intake to avoid over consumption of methylmercury intake, and for good reason. There are studies that link excessive methylmercury (such as you get with larger fish and most seafood in general) to minor neurological detriment. There are several studies on ethylmercury that show absolutely no such links. While I agree that ingesting mercury, a heavy metal with possible toxicity, probable beyond certain limits and in such instances can cause death, is something to be monitored and understood, and to be avoided against necessity, it is these exact concepts and their vagueness of differentiation that lend support to the hysteria as witnessed. I do not intend to take any vaccine that isn't recommended specifically for my age/health condition. I wasn't clear enough about that in my first post, but I did mention the intent to take recommended vaccination. If I fit the profile of health professional's recommendations, then I will cheerfully accept such a recommendation. As ethylmercury is much more readily passed from the human body, and at the levels available through an entirety of vaccination are extraordinarily minimal compared to tested levels and the results I've described in clinical testing, there is no credible health risk that outweighs benefits of vaccinations both to the individual and to society at large. None. But for those who wish to brave viruses without such inoculation, I wish them well. Seriously. If you fall outside of the guidelines for recommendation then it surely doesn't seem to be of a critical necessity. But the recommendation by health experts is not as suspect as some would want us to believe. They take into consideration probably everything discussed in this thread and so much more. While there are instances of fraud and folly in historical contexts, by and large there is no benefit for anyone to make you think you ought to get a vaccine short of health considerations. That is my major point. There would have to be some massive and sinister collusion within the scientific community to perpetuate such a conspiracy. For major illnesses, and ones promising casualty, vaccination is a wonderful advancement of medical genius. But I ramble further from my point with every sentence, I'm sure, so I'll leave it at that. There is no conspiracy, the evidence is available for those willing to seek it.

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From what I am hearing is that the biggest problem when you get this is secondary infection in the lungs, I've heard that antibiotics are being prescribed to successfully combat it. The child that was diagnosed on Friday with H1N1, is showing good signs of improvement with no other medications outside of fluids and fever reducers. Tamiflu was prescribed, but not available for the age, within a 40 mile radius. We/others that have had close exposure to the child, are feeling under the weather but no major signs of it yet. We got some sunshine today, naps and we have voracious appetites.

I really don't think the, "the government created this vaccine to kill us all" conspiracies are born out of a curiosity of the potential health risks of organic mercury.

And as far as the "hysteria" surrounding mercury in vaccines, I think the government paying out a settlement to a child that developed serious health complications subsequent to taking a number of thiomersal vaccines did more to feed it than anything.

Thiomersal being removed from nearly all child vaccines probably didn't help either. Of course this happened before we learned how safe thiomersal is, and the payout was made without any sort of proof of causation.

I agree, there are non mercury flu shots, but most people arent producing them or handing them out. What I find most ironic is how people think they will somehow be better off if they get "The Flu Shot". Besides the mercury, almost 100% of the time the said shot is filled with an influenza virus that doesnt even coincide with the Highlighted virus. Its almost identical with the promoted idea that, if your around more germs, youll be more immune to most of them, than if you werent around them at all! Anyone with any sense of self hygiene would know that, that isnt the case.

The hysteria isnt created by the shots, but how the media bombards the public with hysteria regarding the shots. Even if they were detrimental, than people would be able to decide for themselves to take it. The media however takes it a step further and tells everyone that they need it, or the sky might fall. And then after being forced to change the story by actual headway, they then admit that their information given to them was false. Only to say, oh wait maybe a few select people should take the shot. By the way, when did we start taking medical advice from News reporters?

Hey Jigsy,

I've done a lot research on the vaccines and it has lead me to the decision of not taking it. No way, not me or my family. I've been telling people these vaccines are dangerous for years (and recently, especially, the Swine Flu vaccine). There is a ton of serious information that isn't in the mainstream and should be. A stamp of approval from the medical community isn't worth much to me (as you probably guessed) and I wouldn't bet my kids life on it. But that's just me.

On a sobering note, my wife's aunt wasn't sick and took the vaccine two weeks ago. She died of the Swine flu a few days ago. She was healthy until she took their tainted vaccine and now she's dead. The women was only 40 years old, she was married with children and now she's dead. The forcing of vaccines, especially ones like the Swine Flu, which have been rushed and not properly tested (there is also a correlation between Autism in children who have taken vaccines) is unconstitutional. It's also very dangerous. Doctors and medical professionals are not gods and they are often wrong. A retraction from a Doctor is cold comfort after the death of a loved one.

-the Corsican.

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I've had HIV and Hep C since the early 90s. I've been a walking, talking pharmacy for over ten years now.

I would be long dead without modern medicine. So, I'm ok with it all. I take whatever they give me, including annual flu shots and Hep vaccines, and I keep on living. It's simple for me. But, having your back against the wall does tend to simplify things a bit.

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my 3 yr old daughter was diagnosed yeaterday as a "probable" swine flu case.
in the uk they are no longer testing everyone with symptoms and when i called the out of hours service here i dealt with a call handler clearly reading from a sheet of questions.....and was given advice clearly written down in front of her!
the upshot was...watch and wait but she is no way at deaths door and i'm sure the rest of us in the house will drop like flies now but at least it saves us from the vaccine decision!!! hee hee,theres my old silver lining again.....i can always find one in my clouds!! LOL!!
unfortunately we were in close contact with an elderly aunt on friday who has underlying health issues and she called today to say she doesn't feel very well so i will be watching her too!!

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I'm sure everything will be alright, Tracey. It's just the flu, really.

I like to think that people in the UK still have more horse sense, and far more stiff upper lip, than their American cousins. I'm sure that will keep panic in check and allow common sense to prevail. I wish I could say the same for us, here on the other side of the pond. But, we are a bunch of whining babies.

Such is life, I guess.

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Hey Michael,

I think there are definitely some effective treatments out there and I don't look at all or even most of modern medicine negatively. The most important thing is for a person to do their own research and learn about the medications prescribed to them. Some doctors just aren't all that smart. Combine that with laziness and people start getting hurt, badly.

(A) There are 700,000 physicians in the U.S.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians total 120,000 per year. (conservative estimate)

That's almost 20% of our medical professionals killing people due to negligence. There's risks in almost everything we do. In the end we all have to make our own decisions. I just think people should be aware of what drugs their taking and how those drugs may react with other drugs being prescribed (synergy). I think people need to be careful when it comes to the doctors they choose. We should know their medical history. In fact, physicians should be required by law to give a new patient their medical history, especially as it pertains to malpractice/accidents.

There are people out their who have been living with HIV for years and all without the help of pharmaceuticals. It might be the less chosen path and it might not work effectively for every individual but for some it has been a live saver and has increased their quality of life. Pharmaceuticals may work well for some people but others cannot manage to cope with the toxicity that comes with most of them. Painkiller addiction (due to doctors over prescribing them and not educating their patients on the dangers of physical addiction) has become an epidemic in America. People who had no former drug history were turned into drug addicts due to the laissez-faire attitude of some doctors. Lives have been ruined because of apathy and and a lack of empathy on the part of physicians.

To summarize; Make sure you educate yourself about whatever illness you may have. Check out your doctor's credentials, you just might be dealing with a doctor who just barely got by in medical school. Just as dangerous as the class clown is the guy who was at the head of the pack. A good many doctors suffer from a "god" complex. Their arrogance can blind them and wind up blinding you in the process!

-the Corsican.

P.S.,

Hey Michael,

I'm glad your doing well and in good health man.

P.P.S.,

Those figures may be out of date. I didn't do anything near an exhaustive search, just wanted something to stick up there to inspire some thinking.

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thanks michael.....i know it will be fine.....none of my immediate family have any underlying problems and shes quarantined in the house now....
to be honest i think over here in the uk we all got a bit bored of the hype quite a while ago.....i haven't looked at anything remotely connected to swine flu in months and its not constantly shoved in your face here.....theres a bit of a flurry when someone dies but thats about it....when you look at in relation to seasonal flu and the deaths involved yearly from that it kinda keeps swine flu in perspective!!

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The only time I got a flu vaccine was when I volunteered at the hospital. If my kids were young and in school, I might consider it. As it as, I'm older and don't go out into a lot of social situations, so I'll pass on this vaccination and take my chances. (Something will get me someday anyway.)
But I sure do understand how those with kids, especially, would want to have it.

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And that's how he stayed so merry!

I don't trust doctors, at all. But, I've already lived a very full and interesting life. So, I don't give a crap about how much longer I endure. My doctor says that means I'm depressed. I told him it's not depression, it's freedom, and I'll pass on the SSRIs, thank you very much.

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose..."

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I strolled across this one today...

Regardless of your choice to get flu vaccines or not, some tips to remember.
This came in my email and I'm passing it along to you.

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"The only portals of entry are the nostrils and mouth/throat.

In a global epidemic of this nature, it's almost impossible to avoid coming
into contact with H1N1 in spite of all precautions. Contact with H1N1 is not
so much of a problem as proliferation is.

While you are still healthy and not showing any symptoms of H1N1
infection, in order to prevent proliferation, aggravation of symptoms
and development of secondary infections, some very simple steps,
not fully highlighted in most official communications, can be practiced
(instead of focusing on how to stock N95 or Tamiflu):

1. Frequent hand-washing (well highlighted in all official communications)
and use hand sanitizers when you can not wash hands often. You can
keep a container in your vehicle and/or purse.

2. "Hands-off-the-face" approach.
Resist all temptations to touch any part of the face.

3. Gargle twice a day with warm salt water (use Listerine if you don't trust salt). H1N1 takes 2-3 days after initial infection in the throat/ nasal cavity to proliferate and show characteristic symptoms. Simple gargling prevents proliferation. In a way, gargling with salt water has the same effect on a healthy individual that Tamiflu has on an infected one. Don't underestimate this simple, inexpensive and powerful preventative method!

4. Cover your cough & sneeze with disposable tissue...if no tissue handy... cough or sneeze into the bend of your elbow to avoid your hands.

5. Similar to 3 above, clean your nostrils at least once every day with warm salt water. Not everybody may be good at Jala Neti or Sutra Neti (very good Yoga asanas to clean nasal cavities), but blowing the nose hard once a day and swabbing both nostrils with cotton buds dipped in warm salt water is very effective in bringing down viral population.

6. Boost your natural immunity with foods that are rich in Vitamin C.
If you have to supplement with Vitamin C tablets, make sure that it also has Zinc to boost absorption.

7. Drink as much of warm liquids (tea, coffee, etc) as you can.
Drinking warm liquids has the same effect as gargling, but in the
reverse direction. They wash off proliferating viruses from the
throat into the stomach where they cannot survive, proliferate
or do any harm.

8. Alcohol & bleach are inexpensive disinfectants to use daily on all hard surfaces that are touched often, doorknobs, handles, remotes, phones, keyboards, tables, chair arms, etc. ...anything that is touched by hands.


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And on a personal note, I'd like to add to #6 by saying that adding probiotics to your daily diet will also assist in boosting immunity. The immune system really begins in the gut and a healthy balance of flora is very important.

And to #5, I swear by my Neti Pot - you can find them at most health food stores and online. Best dang investment I've made in a long time. I use it regularly. I add a few drops of betadine and Grapefruit seed extract to my saline wash.

Have a great day everyone. Peace and Blessings.
PG

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I color outside the lines!

They forgot an entry point....the ear canal.

Also, H202 (food grade, not the Hydrogen Peroxide you can pick up anywhere) is an excellent defense at killing anything nasty in the ear canal. Vitamin D is seriously important and you need it in order to fight infection efficiently. As few as fifteen minutes in direct sunlight will give you all the vitamin D you need for the day.

-the Corsican.

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it seems they would like us to forget that common sense goes a long way....

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A lot of people hype up Vitamin C, while it's immunity boosting potential is highly controversial at best. I mean, all sorts of wellness gurus spread the C and Zinc song everywhere they go. Thanks for pointing out that D actually does boost immunities. And it is available through sunlight, so absolutely free. Vitamin D's immunity enhancement is incontrovertible. As for the ear canal, I'd go that far to assure a better defense, but it was my understanding that the majority of even ear infections begin in the moist cavities of the nose and throat. I have absolutely no recall as to where I heard this, giving it absolutely no weight, mind you, but it is something I'm curious about now. Thanks.

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"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
- The Immortal Hunter S. Thompson

I agree common sense goes far, but that assumes that common sense is a common trait. I have anecdotally not found this to be true.

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"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master."
"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
- The Immortal Hunter S. Thompson

Hey Jigsy,

You're welcome and you got that damn right! Common sense it pretty uncommon in my opinion. I've heard that a lot of viruses enter through the ear canal because the ear canal has no natural defense against viruses and bacteria. I imagine ear wax could be considered a defense but I think that is as heavy as it gets for the ear's defenses. It would make sense that most Flus enter through the nose and throat, more chances of getting infected through inhalation and contaminated hands touching both areas.

-the Corsican.

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