Is free speech gone in the US now?
I believe that Americans are feed up and very angry at the crap job he is doing, printing more funny money then any other President in history and even the world!

This is not a game he is dealing with the future of our country.

I believe polls like this signal how wrong Obama is for the US, you would think Obama would listen?

Should I fear the SS will investigate my intent on talking about this too?

I wish no harm on no one and resolving issue in peace.

Fear for Obama's Safety Grows as Hate Groups Thrive on Racial Backlash

Secret Service Probing Facebook Poll That Asked Whether Obama Should Be Killed

No kidding they are taking it serious. They are already printing the history books about this president. I'm sure if Vegas had anything to do with it they would have a pool not a poll.

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thanks and i hope the feds can just stay out of our lives. i kind of want to go into intellectual property law for these kind of things. Minor note: You called him the "Precedent". Its "President". Precedent is a legal word meaning cases (or statute) that have come before the current case and are binding in law (meaning the lower courts have to follow them).

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What's up folks,

We've got serious problems people. Obama is being run by the banking elite. It wouldn't surprise me if we see the end of the dollar while he is holding the presidency. They have already created a new "world or reserve currency" that will take over the dollars dominance in world commerce. Something people need to understand in order to save our country:

The Federal Reserve is a private bank run by European and American elites. The Fed was created to scientifically create boom and bust cycles, contrary to the promise that it would put and end to inflation and deflation. The Constitution specifically states that only congress shall have the power to coin our money and set the value thereof. In 1913 a criminal congress defied the American people and the Constitution by passing the illegal Federal Reserve Act. Congress gave away our right to print/create our money at no interest for the benefit of the people.

Since 1913 our treasury has been printing the money only to hand it over to the Federal Reserve. This is how it works; Congress asks the Fed for a loan, let's say a billion dollars. The Fed agrees to loan congress (The United States of America) the billion dollars. An order is given to the treasury to print the billion dollars. The money is printed and then sent to the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve then loans the money back to the U.S. government at interest. It cost the treasury almost nothing to print any denomination of paper money (let's say ten cents for either a one dollar bill or a one hundred dollar bill). The Fed gets the principle (face value of the money without interest) for nothing and then lends that money back to us at interest.

Does anyone understand what this means? It means we could be printing our own debt free money without any detriment to the people and without and usury attached to the money. But because Congress gave up the most powerful and important tool any free society has we have all been enslaved by the banking elites. Whoever controls the creation of money controls that nation. It is impossible to pay down the debt (the interest we owe the private corporation known as the Federal Reserve) because no interest is ever printed or put into circulation. In order for one man or business to pay their interest on a loan another must fail. It is mathematically impossible to ever pay down the massive debt we have incurred in the past 97 years.



Obama is just the latest reincarnation of a long line of presidents that have been subservient to the will of the Federal Reserve. When our last truly independent president (John F.Kennedy) decided to print debt free money through the treasury backed by silver (silver certificate five dollar bills) he sealed his own fate. Lincoln did the same thing during the civil war when he printed debt free "Greenbacks" and shortly thereafter he was assassinated. Andrew Jackson fought the Rothschild Dynasty's attempts to install a central bank in the United States and was marked for assassination also. Fortunately for him both of the guns of his assassin miraculously misfired and his life was spared. Then came Woodrow Wilson. He was manipulated and deceived by Mandel House, an agent of the Rothschild Banking Dynasty, and helped pass the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Since then our country has been incrementally destroyed through usury/interest. By 1934 and as a direct result of the Federal Reserve Act the United States of America went bankrupt. Our country went into receivership to the Federal Reserve. We no longer owned or ruled our own country, private property became an illusion. We now live under a de facto government maskeraiding as our legitimate government. The Fed makes the laws and runs the show, anything or anyone that tries to come between the Fed and its parasitical grip on our nation is slated for termination.

Anyone who challenges the iron grip of the Federal Reserve will suffer the same fate of Lincoln and Kennedy. I recommend you Google "Billions for the bankers, Debt for the People" and read it through very carefully. It will be one of the most important things you will ever read in your entire life. If you're lazy and don't feel like Googling the article here's the link:

Billions for bankers, Debts for the People

Read it and help destroy one hundred years worth of lies and propaganda. Send it to your friends and family. knowledge is the only thing that can save us. Ignorance is the only thing that has flourished in this country since 1913.

-the Corsican.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

So what your saying it is in no way the fault of BO as the leader of west to relinquish his right to govern at the mercy those really in control.

So I guess the people are mad at the right person then, when a leader doesn't do the right thing AGAIN.

I remember I was in 6th grade when the principal came into our 6th grade class to announce that JFK had been killed.

1963 was the last of the silver system killed along with Kennedy.

Then in 1964 started a new movement in the country of deeper debt.

OB got no choice but to do the right thing but the strings are already tied by others in the background.

To bad, do the right thing of face the consequence of the already angry and sad people of the country.

Sh*t runs down hill and the people are tired and feed up with the smell, a smell not even the biggest carbon scrubber could defeat.

Hey Lumix,

"So what your saying it is in no way the fault of BO as the leader of west to relinquish his right to govern at the mercy those really in control.

So I guess the people are mad at the right person then, when a leader doesn't do the right thing AGAIN."

No, I'm definitely not saying that and I don't understand how you could come to that conclusion from what I wrote? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the above quote?

What I'm saying is that democrat or republican, it doesn't matter. The whole democrat/republican paradigm (false paradigm) is a joke. It is nothing more than a movie for the masses. It's about divide and conquer, keep the people busy arguing over the left and the right while the powers that be rape us ten ways from Sunday. Our political system is an illusion and it's been a complete farse since 1913 for the most part. The very few politicians that understood this truth were always marginalized or discredited and never reached a point in time where they could wield real power and change things for the benefit of the people. Any who tried were very quickly and ruthlessly dealt with.

The powers that be never saw John F.Kennedy coming.They thought they were allowing an establishment man to become president. At some point Kennedy had an epiphany and saw the truth and decided he was going to do something about it, regardless of his or his family's status in the eastern establishment. Kennedy said he was going to "smash the CIA into a thousand pieces" get us out of Vietnam and print debt free currency for the betterment of the American people. The powers that be could never allow any of those three thing to happen so they assassinated him.

Elections in the United States, or rather the candidates that are chosen for us, is tightly controlled by the ruling elite. That's why is doesn't matter who becomes president, whether a democrat or a republican or what their political views are because they are being controlled from the very beginning. I know some people have a real problem believing this fact and refuse to do the research to learn the truth for themselves but it is the truth none the less and all the denial in the word can't change the truth.

-the Corsican.

P.S.,

Loved the "Carbon Scrubber" remark!

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

dont you love it when you spend 10 minutes writing a very interesting reply to this thread, then spend another 10 minutes spell checking and formatting, only to hit "post" and have the server be "too busy"

no way in heII can i re-write all the thoughts i had on this. But to sum it all up, I like Obama, (i have been getting sketchy feelings latley but just remember Bush) but in all seriousness im surprised he has not already been assassinated.

ps- yea the carbon scrubber comment made me chuckle a bit as well.. lol

pps- hey CORSICAN, have you seen "zeitgeist" the movie? (in depth documentary about our money and what its all about) Judging by a lot of your posts I think you will like that movie a lot! I wouldnt be suprised if you have already seen it.

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operating from a place of fear

we get a chance to finally choose hope, IMO
and these fools can't let go of their hate
for even a moment to look around them

and see we have a chance for the first time in a long time
to restore our standing with the world the georgy porgy destroyed during his foolish reign of bulling and hate.

intelligence in the office that i have never seen rivaled in any president that i have seen to date

more insight and confidence and courage as well
no, this man is no more perfect than any other
but i do believe that he is leading us in a more positive direction than any leader i have seen before him during my lifetime...

i worked for hope and change and still do...

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OK .... Whats the solution (You have already identified the problem!)
Your mouth is a very useful sense, use it, get on your soapbox. VOTE
You picked the President.... Anyone with an iota of knowledge, will know the president is a figure head, he has no control over policy...that's your job. VOTE.
I guarantee your one of those people that spent, spent, spent in the good times. Those days are gone my friend. If the financial stimulus fails you will not be able to complain, buy food, pay bills or educate your children, it is that serious.
The whole world is having financial hard times. Consider for a moment that 50% of all US debt belongs to China, so your not really that bad off. LOL


NB: The $1 million note was a publicity stunt to show how wealthy the US once was... seems to have worked

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Do you consider yourself Ignorant ?
Clearly since 1913 everyone has been Ignorant, including you. That is unless your a "special case".
Such sweeping statements serve no purpose...
Your undermining yourself, now that's Ignorance.

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Look out. This is not a debate forum. At least not one where you are free to say what you'd like if it has to do with another member and their stance on things. Read the sticky at the top of the forums menu. It was inspired by a heated exchange where I was chastised severely by it's moderator Michael for posting similar things and making references to opinions voiced in the forum, even though I wasn't directly slinging them at anyone. Instead of letting others defend their positions, you may get a warning come swooping in if it becomes noticed. I am more familiar with debate forums without censorship, and am not really comfortable with censorship of any kind. I think first amendment rights should prevail in the case that started this thread, but it is not an intrinsic right that extends to all manner of expression. There is an owner and rules to this site, so I must concede, as Facebook is not a forum free of all censorship as it is also privately derived. I just don't think there will be any criminality to be had unless someone expressed intent, THAT is illegal. But If I had voted on that poll I'd be loathe to use my personal computer for anything besides checking the weather forecast for some time, I'm sure they've started a list. And rightly so. Sorry to everyone that disagrees, but terrorists should be monitored so they cannot carry out terrorist style attacks. And yes, terrorist is a loaded word, but if there was an instance to apply it's connotation, threats on the President's life should be that case. Agree with him or not, he's that dude right now. I think you all know I think he's a great guy and there hasn't been a better leader in a long time. That's my opinion, deal with it. And no Ad Hominem attacks or I'll go cry in the corner.

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"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
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we are

we who are now putting our shoulder's to the wheel getting through these hard times and realizing and discovering our strenghs are much greater than we ever before realized. We are becoming more in touch with each other and with nature. We are redefining our values and gaining more confidence every day. We are forming coalitions and networks that going to sky rocket us to a better world
we have survived a great depression
we have won a freedom from a mother country no longer was working on our behalf have survived holocaust after holocaust

we are always the problem
and we are always the solution... IMO

Peace and Love
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i apoligize if i offended anyone. i do not favor one man over another
i only see values and opportunities

and i will leave you with all with good wishes for your day
thanks for your patience
DW

ps i would never critizize the management here. i really think you are absolutley wonderful!

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What way do the free speech laws work in the US in relation to incitement? My understanding is incitement to harm the president is completely illegal, but what about other citizens? What about someone on death row, could you legally run a poll like this? Anyway, I'm in no hurry to defend someones right to incite violence against an individual, regardless of their position.

that just sounds like a really really bad idea!

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Dear, I wasn't referring to anything you've said herein. I was actually applying a little o' the old tongue in cheek, and my remarks are a bit facetious outside of my stated opinions. I am actually appreciative of the remarks in your posts, and have applied my rep+ bestowal for that reason. Many thanks, but you never need tread lightly around me, only in so much as the mods here will allow. Cheers and good health to you.

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"A word to the wise is infuriating."
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master."
"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
- The Immortal Hunter S. Thompson

That is a good question and you raise some valid points, IMHO. I believe it was Facebook's decision to remove the post, and my only point was that it was their right to do so, as it is their site. As to free speech laws, I recognize the intent to incite violence thing as a troublesome topic, but if there is any doubt to it I would err on the side of caution. Not that I don't vehemently despise such efforts, I just hold our freedoms to be the backbone of our society and it's opportunities for progress. The problem is, so few exercise their rights or engage at all. I find this to be an educational and an awareness issue. I defend the rights of people to deny the Holocaust, for instance, so that they may be paraded around as the f*cktarded idiots that they are, and it allows you to evaluate their stance more readily so as to defend against it and provide the appropriate evidence to shut down their bogus claims with factual representations. Sunlight remains the best disinfectant. The only caveat, is there has to be an able and participating audience for it to work at all.

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"A word to the wise is infuriating."
"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master."
"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
- The Immortal Hunter S. Thompson

I agree Jigsy, it's a very fine and very dangerous line.
I'm also quite disappointed with the apathy of the West's citizenry, we moan about our politicians and media but never take responsibility for the part an active and engaged public need to play in a democracy. I know the US media love to take a pop at the French, but by god they know how to take to the streets when their government do something to annoy them.

Hello Sinspy,

Looks like something I said made you a bit angry and defensive brother. You should think real hard why it made you feel that way. Don't put the ball in my court by asking me what I have done and then tell me to "VOTE". Albert Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. It is insane to think that voting is going to change the system to any serious degree. The game is fixed and the system has been intentionally broken. It benefits those who have created it, the rich, the super elite.

Do I consider myself ignorant...On certain subjects, of course. I'm not special or better than anyone nor have I claimed to be. I have done more research than just about anyone I have ever met on these topics. If it isn't on the history channel or in the mainstream media most Americans don't now about it. That's not my fault, that's their own fault. If they want to waste all of their time with bread and circus then they'll reap the whirlwind.

You're defensive and you insulted me personally, all because I've challenged the way you look at the world. That's true ignorance, an unwillingness to go beyond what the majority accepts as truth. It is a statement of fact that Americans in general are ignorant and uneducated. If that bothers you then go complain to the board of education or try and educate people yourself. You don't have to get hostile with me because I told you the truth.

" Clearly since 1913 everyone has been Ignorant, including you. That is unless your a "special case""

Huh? Would you mind elaborating because you lost me with that statement.

P.S.,

I'm not on a soapbox, I'm expressing my opinion in an impersonal way based on factual information. You chose to take it personally. That's your problem, not mine. I apologize for being so blunt but your defensiveness and personal insults made me take off the kid gloves.

"You picked the President.... Anyone with an iota of knowledge, will know the president is a figure head, he has no control over policy...that's your job. VOTE.
I guarantee your one of those people that spent, spent, spent in the good times. Those days are gone my friend. If the financial stimulus fails you will not be able to complain, buy food, pay bills or educate your children, it is that serious.
The whole world is having financial hard times. Consider for a moment that 50% of all US debt belongs to China, so your not really that bad off. LOL"

You're totally wrong in your assumptions about me. If financial stimulus fails? If! You've proven my point beautifully. Americans have no grasp of how our monetary system works. What you consider bad off and what I consider bad off are two very different things. Just because I'm not physically suffering or I can still go to the store without rolling through a checkpoint does not mean I'm "really not that bad off." It all depends on the type of person you are and the beliefs you hold. We live in a police state that is getting worse day by day. The lawmakers do not follow their own laws and yet they expect us to follow them. The powerful have created this financial crisis and they are blaming it on the people to try and misled the people.

Problem, Reaction, Solution, i.e., The Hegelian Dialectic...Look it up if you don't know what it means. I think you might find it interesting even if you disagree.

I think we should agree to disagree at this point.

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Daithi,

With all due respect, we don't live in a democracy, we live in a Constitutional Republic. The Forefathers despised democracy. Do a little research on the subject and I think you'll be more than a little surprised. I disagree with a lot of the things you wrote but I wouldn't ever try and turn it into anything personal or nasty. I think that the media is turning the whole Obama mess into a racial issue when it really isn't. I don't deny that there are a lot of ignorant racist Americans out there that do hate Obama because he's half black but a great deal of the criticism (not all of it) is coming from Obama's hypocrisy.

It's not a left/right thing it's a truth thing. Bush was a serious disaster and Obama will be a train wreck. Do I want him to fail? No. I'd love to see the man rebel against his handlers but it just ain't gonna happen. In my opinion Obama isn't very different from Bush. It might seem like he's completely different at first glance but upon closer inspection he's doing all the same things Bush did. I'd love to see some good come out of his presidency but that is rare thing in our country.

-the Corsican.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"