I found this article over at Liberty Forest.

Bush seem stunned to me, then made the signal to remove him...


Source article:
The Rise of Alex Jones « The Washington Independent

Hey Free,

Don't you have any misgivings or doubts when it comes to Jones' sincerity? I listened to him for over ten years and in that time discovered many inconsistencies and a few very questionable incidents that he took center stage in. I like to think in terms of information over personality. The only man in the truth movement I respect without any serious doubts about his character would be William Cooper. After all, the powers that be killed him right after 911 because they were threatened by his potential to wake up the masses. After that Alex Jones soon took over the scene. Some say it was a little too easy for Jones to rise so quickly, to the point of stepping on Cooper's grave and plagiarizing his information.

What's your opinion on the whole situation?

-the Corsican.

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The more I watch/listen to him the less I like him. I'm not a die hard fan, nor do I believe everything he says. Some say he avoids some subjects. Quite frankly I'm new to all of this...I've only been paying attention within the last couple years. I was a mainstream media person. I mostly stay on the political happenings even though they seem like a Hollywood production most of the time. The conspiracy stuff really depresses me and have a hard time swallowing it. I've heard about Mr. Cooper, but have not in any depth followed his message. Maybe today is a good day to learn about him a little.

Hey Free,

I know how you feel, I don't much like Alex Jones either. There have been times where I thought to myself, "If only he would act this way (when Jones wasn't screaming or using cheap theatrics but was actually providing information in a calm, intelligent manner) all of the time, maybe I'd listen more often and stop telling people to be wary of him and his personal philosophies on the control structure." The problem isn't necessarily the screaming and the theatrics but some of the blatant manipulations and deceptions he's been involved with (The Grey Family betrayal, Y2K Fear-mongering, The Michelle Malkin debacle and many other inconsistencies and hypocrisies) throughout his career. And I listed only a few of them.

The information he offers must be investigated. I would never take his word for any of it. I've done my research and most of what he says is actually fact. The problem is the slant (spin I guess) he puts on it and the constant fear-mongering he attaches to the information in order to sell merchandise. Alex Jones also pushes many of his "regular guests" onto the listeners (others, who like him, make their living off of the Conspiracy Industry). And it's all done in the name of "Fighting the New World Order one step at a time" which is personally repugnant in my opinion. It boggles the mind to listen to his followers (fanatics?) defend his obvious fleecing and manipulation of them yet they would probably take a bullet for him!

You'll find the same type of blind loyalty in the mainstream media so I'm definitely not trying to say that those who listen to the alternative media are somehow more crazy or more foolish then anyone else. They're not, they just think they're smarter then everyone else and typically call anyone who doesn't agree with Jones' personal paradigm of the world a "sheeple".

William Cooper is a very interesting man. He became an underground success after writing his book "Behold, A Pale Horse", self-published and self-funded, like everything else the man did. Cooper put his reputation and his own money on the line for what he believed to be the truth. He couldn't expect or blame people if they doubted his sincerity, so he basically became a very dedicated one man army, often spending his last dollar on getting the truth out to the people so they could make up their own minds. He was a highly decorated Navy man, served in Vietnam and was recruited to Naval Intelligence. The first half of his story begins with UFO research (after seeing a rather large UFO exit the ocean while on watch on the aircraft carrier he was stationed at) along with two other sailors. Because of his position in Naval Intelligence he was privy to certain documents and exposed to many he probably shouldn't have looked at but did anyway. He always maintained that the documents he saw while in Naval intelligence (concerning unidentified flying objects or other technologies) could have been a rouse, disinformation tailored especially for him in the hopes that he would reveal it publically (which he unwittingly did in the beginning).

Later, he began to move away from the UFO paradigm (and learned about the massive control structure being built around us in order to manipulate and steer the world's population into a socialistic and despotic one world government) and began focusing on the incremental changes that were taking place within our government and the governments of Europe, all for one purpose; to push western society (western nations in the beginning, but with the final goal of controlling all of the world's nations) towards socialism/communism ("isms" really don't mean anything more than despotic control over other human beings. They are used to manipulate us). Bill Clinton called Cooper "The most dangerous radio talk show host in America" and William Cooper considered that the greatest compliment he had ever received.

William Cooper's broadcasts were done over short wave radio without commercialism and without pushing the agendas of other people. The only thing Cooper ever did that was remotely commercial was advising his listeners to by gold (when gold was less than $300.00 per ounce) because he believed an eventual economic collapse was unavoidable. He advised people to buy gold from Swiss America Trading Corporation because he personally trusted the company through his own dealing with them. Other than that, I never really heard a peep out of Cooper in relation to finances.

About two months before 911 Cooper predicted (one month before Alex Jones plagiarized Cooper's prediction) a false flag terrorist event, (an event staged by infiltrators within our government for the purpose of synthesizing a specific outcome; Think Afghanistan and oil pipelines, Iraq of course and the massive changes in America due to the attacks) even going so far as to name Osama Bin Laden personally, how Bin Laden would be used as a patsy and as justification for foreign wars of empire in the middle east and to incrementally chip away at the Bill of Rights in the name of "Peace & Security".

Here's a short video clip summarizing Cooper's life:



-the Corsican.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

I was in Northern Ohio that morning of 9/11 and I heard sonic booms for the first time since the 80's when jets patrolled the sky's frequently here. I believe there are some good folks in the ranks of our military. Is there people trying to bring down the republic...I'm sure of it. Can I do much about it? I do not think so outside of posing questions in regards of our money supply. For all I know there is a greater plan here at work... Regardless of who or what is behind the demise, its united we stand and divide we fall. Right now the opinions seem very divided.

Very good points Free.

But the divisive left/right politics and propaganda come from the same monster. Until we defeat their propaganda machine they have the advantage. Whoever controls the minds of men controls the world.

-the Corsican.

P.S.,

There are a lot of good people in the military. I'm no "soldier hater", I just don't like seeing my countrymen being used for cannon fodder.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

what was the cover story for his death?

Basically the county Sheriff and a few deputies lured Cooper from his house posing as high school kids drinking and getting loud a few hundred feet from his home. They knew Cooper would investigate and when he did they attempted to arrest him. Cooper was wanted on a warrant for waving a gun in some local townies face.

When Cooper realized it was the Sheriff's department he turned his pickup around and headed back to his house. While driving the short distance back to his house a patrol vehicle blocked his escape. Cooper drove around the police vehicle and drove his truck onto his front lawn. From there the details get sketchy.

The Sheriff's department says Cooper began running for his front door (Cooper lost a leg while in Vietnam) and refused to listen to the orders of the officers. Cooper supposedly turned around and opened fire with a .45 while on the move, shooting a deputy twice in the head. The Sheriff's deputies opened fire and killed Cooper on his front lawn.

The original arrest was supposed to take place on September 11th, 2001 but was canceled.

The whole story doesn't make much sense. Supporters of Cooper believe it was an assassination, enemies and critics of Cooper feel he got what he wanted. I have no idea personally but considering his work and the harassment he received from the government nothing is out of the question.

An autopsy supposedly supports an execution of Cooper close up and personal. Who knows what really happened? One thing that needs to be mentioned, Cooper often said that if they came for him they would have to kill him, he would not go peacefully. Self-fulfilling prophecy? Maybe, probably? Who knows?

-the Corsican.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

i have no idea, but just making an observation from the videos i have seen, it seems out of character for him to open fire first.

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Hmmm...

I'm not so sure that is true. Cooper had combat experience and if he felt that the Sheriff's deputies were about to open fire on him, I'm pretty sure he would try and beat them to the punch. This means he would have been justified for firing first anyway, in my mind at least. Autopsy reports showed execution "style" evidence, like they had walked up to him and shot him point blank in the head after the initial chest wound. I forget, but the autopsy proved (by the way the blood was pumping) that they definitely walked up to Cooper and finished him off execution style.

My memory is sketchy on the details. I think the Sheriff's department knew exactly how Cooper would react (Cooper made no secret of how he would react if anyone tried to take his freedom from him), even hoped for a violent reaction so they could kill him. After all, if the government did assassinate Cooper they wouldn't use Federal deputies, it wouldn't look good trying to defend their position if their people had killed Cooper.

It becomes easier to accept the possible use of the Sheriff's Department if it was done in order to deflect guilt away from the government. The timing of his death is what makes the whole thing suspicious. A few months before his death Cooper predicts 911, names the patsy and explains the outcome perfectly, (Wars in the middle east, loss of freedom and liberty at home, a new fear paradigm, i.e., the War on Terror and many other things that have perfectly aligned to his prediction) then he's slated for execution on 911 but the powers that be intelligently delay the order for fear of adding to the already strong evidence that they wanted Cooper dead.

Think about it, Copper wasn't mainstream and 99.9% of the American people never even knew Cooper existed. Somehow Cooper falls under the eye of a sitting president (Bill Clinton) and is called the most dangerous man in America by that same president. Cooper, supposedly insignificant and no real threat to the government, is taken out right after predicting the attacks on 911, even naming the government patsy, a man most people had never heard of before. What were they really afraid of, Why was Cooper such a threat?

(Twilight Zone theme music suddenly rattles my brain)

It's a really weird set of circumstances and everything was too perfect. They made Cooper look like a pathetic drunk, ultra-violent right wing extremist, UFO nut job and all around bad guy. It doesn't matter that he was a decorated war hero and held some of the highest clearances in the military as it concerns government secrets. Cooper was trusted to operate millions of dollars worth of military equipment/hardware, received numerous commendations from his superior officers and we're supposed to believe he's some screw up hick from the desert in Arizona? Too perfect a smear job in my opinion.

I think the government really did take William Cooper out, they assassinated him. I can't prove it by any means and I have a few doubts, but it does seem like the simplest explanation if you go by the information that is available.

-the Corsican.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

wow, the only vids i saw were him speaking, and he didnt seem violent. i had no idea he was a war hero

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Yup,

He sure was. There have been a lot of musings about his drinking and his personality. He was a straight up dude and didn't screw around. He could easily come off as being arrogant and coarse but part of that, I think, was due to the serious nature of his message. Watch this video of him and tell me how he comes off to you, okay?



This video is part one out of six. If you want, keep watching, it's pretty good stuff.

-the Corsican.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

in number 5 of this series, he references the possibility of a second civil war. i thought this interesting as i have had this theory for some time now. all you have to do is look around at the nation and what is going on. the little people will only be stepped on for so long,

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Yeah,

Unfortunately it's now a real possibility and can only get worse if we continue to accept the status quo. Cooper was a smart man and though his timing was off his predictions have all pretty much come true. It's a bad idea to put dates on predictions because when they don't happen in the time frame you give, people immediately think you're a charlatan. Cooper was right, most of the things he predicted just took a little longer to come to fruition.

-the Corsican.

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My grow journal: http://www.greenpassion.org/f24/cors...st-grow-15533/

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

true words indeed