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Old 11-02-2009, 11:55 AM
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Angry the “Obama phone”

This is from an email i received..








You can thank the Government that idiots elected for all the crap you

and your kids are going to have to pay for.



Check out this BS… this is what OUR tax dollars are being spent on

while we work to BUY a cell phone and PAY for our usage!!!

If this doesn’t cork your whistle, nothing will…




Check out "Safe Link Wireless"…it appears to be a real government program.





I had a former employee call me earlier today inquiring about a job, and at the end of the conversation he gave me his phone number. I asked the former employee if this was a new cell phone number and he told me yes this was his “Obama phone.”



I asked him what an “Obama phone” was and he went on to say that welfare recipients are now eligible to receive (1) a FREE new phone and (2) approx 70 minutes of FREE minutes every month.

I was a little skeptical so I Googled it and low and behold he was telling the truth.



TAX PAYER MONEY IS BEING REDISTRIBUTED TO WELFARE RECIPIENTS FOR FREE CELL PHONES.



This program was started earlier this year. Enough is enough, the ship is sinking and it’s sinking fast. The very foundations that this country was built on are being shaken. The age old concepts of God, family, and hard work have flown out the window and are being replaced with “Hope and Change” and “Change we can believe in.” You can click on the link below to read more about the “Obama phone”…just have a barf bag ready.




https://www.safelinkwireless.com/EnrollmentPublic/home.aspx







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We are currently offering service in parts of Alabama, Connecticut, DC, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia and Wisconsin with plans to begin offering service soon in the States listed below.

SafeLink Wireless Service is coming soon to... Alaska Idaho Maine Nevada Rhode Island Washington Arizona Indiana Minnesota New Mexico South Carolina Wyoming Arkansas Iowa Mississippi North Dakota South Dakota
California Kansas Missouri Oklahoma Texas Colorado Kentucky Montana Oregon Utah Hawaii Louisiana Nebraska Puerto Rico Vermont


For information on obtaining Lifeline Assistance through another provider, please visit the Universal Service Administrative Company’s website here, or the Federal Communications Commission’s website here.
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Toooooo MUCH!

Do they cover texting?????
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Default just to clarify some things.

**i mean no offense, so please do not take it that way.**

my aunt, who is elderly, is on a fixed income, and she has one of these phones. it is her only means of communication.

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Depending on your state of residence, eligibility may apply if your total household income is at or below 135% of the Federal Poverty Guidelines. Submitted documentation may also be required as proof of your total household income.
if someone is that poor, then i dont feel bad for helping them, personally. then again i have always been more of a Robin Hood type to begin with.

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If you are handicapped, draw disability or live on a low income you could qualify for the unique program.
i have no problem helping them

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Although the minutes provided to you free are not exactly plentiful - an hour or so a month - they are sufficient for making emergency calls or short calls to let relatives know you are okay each week. You can text, roam and even make long-distance calls. You will receive a replenishment of minutes around the first of the month, each month, as long as you continue to qualify for the program.

Many people with no phone service worry that there will be an emergency and they will have no way to call for help. For others, loved ones with no phone causes worry and concern, and the Safe Link program can give them some relief. In most states you can apply for the free phone and minutes online. It takes little time to get verified, and after you do, you can be expecting your phone in the mail at any time.
i think it helps those that need it, and i think this thread may end up offending those that may not have as much money as other people and so need help such as this.
if it's the 'taxes' you pay out every year going to programs like this that bothers you, then you need to be more active in your government and write your congressman.

on another note, the program actually got it's start in 1984 via the FCC.
Lifeline and Link-Up: Affordable Telephone Service for Income-Eligible Consumers

on another note from the same tune:

the president has no direct impact on the program, and one could hardly call these devices "Obama Phones," as the e-mail author does. this specific program, SafeLink, started under President George Bush, with grants from an independent company created under President Bill Clinton, which was a legacy of an act passed under President Franklin Roosevelt, which was influenced by an agreement reached between telecommunications companies and the administration of President Woodrow Wilson.






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I don't mind my tax dollars going to help people around the poverty line get a phone. We spend close to a trillion dollars a year overseas. That is what bothers me. Domestic spending? Go for it.


What I do notice, is that a lot of people are getting up in arms over things that objectively shouldn't bother them. I remember the left being a lot more empathic toward the ideas of the right, when the right was in power. Now the right is slamming Obama for everything he does, things he doesn't do, and even programs starting under republicans that he continues. Its like when Cheney slammed him for "dithering" on the aghanistan war...oh ya the war dick dithered on for 7 years.

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I don't mind my tax dollars going to help people around the poverty line get a phone. We spend close to a trillion dollars a year overseas. That is what bothers me. Domestic spending? Go for it.
my feelings exactly! i feel bad for people overseas, but we have our own problems to deal with. besides, if our infrastructure fails, we are screwed.
perhaps we already are.
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Snopes says semi-true

snopes.com: Free Cell Phones for Welfare Recipients

Looks like the program pays up to $10 per month, and $30 on the initial activation of a land line, or cell phone, if a person is 135% below the poverty line. And it wasn't started by Obama.

Of course, snopes could be part of the conspiracy ;)
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This is better than a free phone. If you live in Mass and on welfare you get a free car and insurance paid for by the state. Free cars for poor fuel road rage - BostonHerald.com
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May make a fool out of myself on this one but here it goes. I was a little skeptical about his myself when I first heard of it so I went to the site and filled out all the little stuff, and sure enough a phone showed up at my door three days later. I didn't pay a dime for it, and haven't used it since receiving it. Both me and my wife both have cell phones through a different provider that I pay for but my standard income is really low, not sure what it us in relation to the poverty level. I've been unemployed since april, and being in one of the worst unemployed states, its really hard finding a job. I pay taxes out of my unemployment so does that mean that I'm really paying for that phone anyway?

I honestly couldn't even tell you where the phone is now, I'm sure its in a cabinet somewhere. I was just amazed at the idea that you could get it for nothing. And Obama didn't do that, not that I'm a fan of his, its more of a state level thing I believe.
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Most times that the government tries to do something good for the people, several things happen. 1) Some taxpayers bitch. But, then, some taxpayers always bitch. 2) A large portion of the taxpayer's money goes to the various levels of graft. Every program, ever conceived and put into place by any government, anywhere, is so loaded with graft, it makes me want to throw up. 3) Lots of people who don't really need the help, get it. 4) A few people, in actually need of whatever form the help takes, get the help.
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a very realistic view point. one i would have to agree on.
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why dosent he do something to benefit the economy? hes doing useless stuff just like ever president we have hadmakeusmoreindbt.IF they just legalized marijuana it will help us get out of debt jeez when will these prisedents learn to help the usa out.
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my goodness... As we are all proponents to one extent or another of the legalization of marijuana, its not always the "cure all" answer we would like it to be. Currently, the government makes a ton of cash off of the incarceration of people who are locked up cause of marijuana. California was supposed to debate the possibility of legalizing marijuana totally as a way to create revenue for the state, don't know if it ever happened. While I believe it would create jobs, and tax revenue, I don't think legalizing weed would be enough to pull out of this nose dive we are in.
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although, it would sure make it seem a lot better for a while...lol
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I imagine the phone program actually is good for the economy. Makes it easier for the poor to coordinate their lives which would include tax paying activities, and spending in the economy. Furthermore, when a phone is made, that creates multiple jobs, from the people that facilitate it's manufactor, to the people that maintain the network on which it operates. Not the best money dollar for dollar to stimulate the economy, but not the worst either.
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I imagine the phone program actually is good for the economy. Makes it easier for the poor to coordinate their lives which would include tax paying activities, and spending in the economy. Furthermore, when a phone is made, that creates multiple jobs, from the people that facilitate it's manufactor, to the people that maintain the network on which it operates. Not the best money dollar for dollar to stimulate the economy, but not the worst either.
Certainly better than bank bailouts.
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I reckon Ima gonna have to get me one of those...
cuz I am poor, real poor. I live on 100 dollar a week salary as a caretaker for a farm with out of state owners. They provide housing, and they pay my utilities,but I have to start paying my own electric bill next month. Partly because they want me to, and partly because I want me to, since I just hooked up 2 1000 watt lights,and don't want to explain the bill still being high with no AC running. I also draw foodstamps. Please don't hate me...
It has not always been this bad..obviously at one point I had money,or I would not have lights, etc. I have had these lights about ten years now..ever since I became unable to work after getting my leg shattered by a horse.
I do own two horses..which are cared for by the owners...
I do not have a phone, except a free voip phone that I use with my computer, which I have also had several years. I get internet from the owners part time residence, by putting a foil covered colander over the router antenna so it will reach to my house.
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My friend, poverty is an experiential thing. Those who have not been there lack the empathy to understand from most of my observations. I have been the working poor throughout my life. I have a highly technical and relatively profitable trade that I've thoroughly undertaken, yet I am destitute as I write this. The problem has a lot to do with capitalism's flaws, the emphasis on wealth, and the lack of correlation between this wealth and the benefit to society at large. That is to say, that those with wealth don't necessarily earn the privilege it brings (there are disgusting amounts of "old money", that which is inherited without toil or even contribution, and some of the most honest, hard working, best intentioned people can suffer needlessly for an entire lifetime, and pass it generationally. Needing help shouldn't garner such a stigma, and those perpetuating it are woefully ignorant of the nature of misfortune and the human toll this cruel existence can inflict. No, I've been on assistance before, and I payed into it as well. That's just life. In this imperfect world.

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I too am on assistance, and there is no shame in it. I think of it this way... I payed taxes all those years I was working, I have military service in my background, and I did everything I possibly could before resorting to assistance, so I refuse to feel bad for ensuring my and my families survival through this rough stretch. I am in school again, and hopefully will be gainfully employed by this time next year, and if not I'll do something else. I have no problem with people getting help when they really need it, I have a problem however with people who take advantage. I can't tell you the thoughts I have when the person in front of me at the store is dripping in jewelry and leather and wearing a designer outfit, and they pay with food stamps, most of the time having to move a wad of money to get to the card. It makes me sick to see people who are truly suffering not getting what they need and then to see someone else who has what they need but they still use assistance that is meant for the truly down and out.

and I don't believe in the "share the wealth" philosophy. I wouldn't want someone taking money from me to give it to someone who refuses to work for it, but if someone is really trying to do better and needs help along the way then I have no problem helping out. Makes sense to me anyway.
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