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Poter Principle · #1 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 09:57 PM

Hi, I'm redirecting you to the website where I originally posted it cuz that's just way easier. Obama to cede US sovereignty - MedPot.net/Forums

Or can someone tell me how to embed the html, please. The videos are at the above link.

Here's the text at least:

Obama to cede US sovereignty

American Daughter Media Center - Front Page » COP15

By Jim Simpson | Tuesday, October 20th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Barack Hussein Obama will cede US sovereignty to the United Nations at the December “Climate Summit.”

Not content with his humiliation in Copenhagen, Denmark this past September, President Obama will be traveling there again in December to attend the UN COP15 Climate Change Conference. This agreement would commit the United States to punitive and expensive greenhouse gas regulations dictated by the United Nations without recourse.

COP stands for “Conference of the Parties” and the December Copenhagen conference will be the 15th under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), hence COP15. According to their website, it will be one of the largest conferences ever held outside the New York or Geneva headquarters, with an anticipated attendance of over 10,000 people, including governmental representatives from 189 countries, industry groups, and other non-governmental organizations.

The theme of the December 7 - 18 conference is “Hope,” so perhaps Mr. Obama will have more luck this time. Instead of soliciting the International Olympic Committee with trite clichés and getting no payoffs, he will be doing something much easier: selling out our country. After all, ceding power, relinquishing billions in U.S. tax dollars and destroying U.S. economic competitiveness is a pretty easy sell to the countries that will benefit, and he has had a lot of practice doing the same thing here at home. He will have a hard time screwing this one up.

The Hope site optimistically pronounces:

On 7 December, leaders from 192 countries gather for UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen and decide the fate of our planet…

Decide the fate of our planet… Do these people have any idea how mindlessly grandiose they sound? Of course not. They are out to save the planet, just like Nancy Pelosi! It is hard for a normal person to imagine making such proclamations without embarrassment. But this is today’s political class.

This agreement will cede U.S. sovereignty permanently and irrevocably to the United Nations. So said British Lord Christopher Monckton at an event at Bethel University in St Paul, Minnesota last Wednesday, October 14th.

Lord Monckton was former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher’s science advisor. He has lectured and written extensively on the issue, including an in-depth scientific critique to the 50,000 member American Physical Society, a serious side-by-side comparison slap-down of Al Gore’s global warming assertions, and a recent summary of the global warming issue. In introducing his topic at Bethel University, he states unequivocally:

…and I am going to show you the latest science, which now doesn’t leave the question unsettled any more, this is now settled science, it is now settled science that there is not a problem with our influence over the climate. The science is in, the truth is out, and the scare is over.

You can watch his entire presentation (1:35:33) on the Webcast Page here — well worth the time if you can spare it. The slideshow he frequently points to in this presentation can be viewed along with the video, here. Lord Monckton presents a series of statistics, charts and studies making a compelling case that not only is global warming insignificant — if it exists at all — but is likely not manmade, and more importantly, that the global warming alarmists have repeatedly, blatantly, deliberately lied, suppressing the facts to promote the myth.

Despite his effective refutation of manmade global warming, his closing remarks about the Copenhagen treaty are chilling:

I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.

So, thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom to the world. It is a privilege merely to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free. But, in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your prosperity away forever. And neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power whatsoever to take it back. That is how serious it is. I’ve read the treaty. I’ve seen this stuff about [world] government and climate debt and enforcement. They are going to do this to you whether you like it or no.

Watch him make his powerful concluding remarks in the following video (4:12 min):

You might call it a bit of rhetorical overkill, but given everthing else this administration and Congress have already done, only a bit. As Monckton later stated in a Q & A session, for such a treaty to be ratified requires a positive vote from a two-thirds majority in the U.S. Senate.

It seems difficult to imagine Democrats convincing seven Republicans to assist them in committing national suicide that way. Indeed, a recent Wall Street Journal article quoted Senate Republicans as saying that whatever deal Obama cut at Copenhagen would be dead on arrival:

Wisconsin Rep. James Sensenbrenner, the top Republican on the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, predicts “a repeat of Kyoto — namely an environmentally ineffective agreement that cannot be ratified” by the Senate.

However, perhaps an easier option would be for Democrats to pass legislation enacting some or all of the proposals. The House has already passed the Waxman-Markey (Cap and Trade) bill. This onerous legislation calls for an 83 percent reduction in greenhouse gasses from 2005 levels by 2050. That means almost complete elimination of carbon based fuels, and parallels the goals identified in COP15, which asks participating countries to reduce global emmissions 50-85% by 2050.

Such reductions would essentially bring our economy to a screeching halt, as Lord Monckton states in his speech. Even the more modest goal for 2020 of a 17 percent reduction will force radical changes in how we do business and conduct our daily lives.

Senators John Kerry (D-MA) and the increasingly addled Lindsay Graham (R-SC), put out an Op-Ed in the New York Times last week, under the frighteningly Obamanoid title “Yes We Can,” indicating that perhaps Senate Republicans shouldn’t be so sanguine either. Their article concludes thusly (emphasis added):

We are confident that a legitimate bipartisan effort can put America back in the lead again and can empower our negotiators to sit down at the table in Copenhagen in December and insist that the rest of the world join us in producing a new international agreement on global warming.

So if Kerry and Graham get their way, not only is America going to agree to UN global warming regulations, we are going to lead the charge in getting them imposed!

And the UN panel is fully anticipating a more conciliatory approach from the US. Recognizing Kerry’s efforts, as UNFCCC Executive Secretary Yvo de Boer stated:

I think that a major shortcoming of Kyoto was that the official delegation came back with a treaty they knew was never going to make it through the Senate. And this time I have the feeling that the communication is much stronger, that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, through John Kerry, is really expressing strongly what they feel needs to be done in Copenhagen.

Thank you John Kerry.

The UN website states the following about COP15 (emphasis added):

This [the 2009 Bangkok climate change talks] was the penultimate negotiating session before COP15 in Copenhagen in December, at which an ambitious and effective international climate change deal is to be clinched.

Before COP15, there will be a final round of negotiations November 2-6 in Barcelona, Spain at the Barcelona Convention Center.

The most recent UNFCCC Working Group report (181 pages) can be accessed here in PDF format. Much of it references earlier documents, of which there are many. To fully assess the ramifications of this proposal would likely require referencing these earlier documents as well.

While the prospects for Senate ratification of this treaty are probably in doubt, it seems likely the US Congress may try to pass Waxman-Markey or some other hybrid legislation using the same underhanded tactics now in play on healthcare. All the more reason to redouble our efforts at getting them out in 2010.

Suffice it to say that if the carbon reduction targets already discussed are adapted by this country, nevermind whatever other onerous provisions are in this treaty, we might as well all buy a horse and buggy — sorry, rickshaw; horses create methane — because we will be headed back into the 18th century.

Additional Resources:

UNFCCC and Kyoto Protocol — Guide to Climate Change Negotiations (2008)

SourceWatch — UNFCCC summary, listing all participating parties, all COP meetings past and scheduled, and other useful information

Sphere: Related Content
Businessman and freelance writer Jim Simpson is a former White House staff economist and budget analyst (1987-1993). His writings have been published in the Washington Times, FrontPage Magazine, the Washington DC Examiner, DefenseWatch, Soldier of Fortune and others. You can read more of his articles on his blog, Truth and Consequences.

*********************************

What do we make of this?

If climate change is the result of the magnetosphere weakening, and/or Earth intersecting the galactic plane, and/or HAARP, and/or aliens' and/or something else, the warning is still valid.

Acting upon wrong causes for climate change might prove no less catastrophic than anything happening naturally. These are the most interesting times we are cursed to live through.
peace and pot

operator1 · #2 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 10:01 PM

I heard about this on the news last week... its all based on lies about C02 emissions and global warming, but will certainly create a global government. The words "global government" actually appear in the draft of the "treaty" they have right now. I'm telling you, its a scary time in America, and the ego of Obama is going to be the death of us all I think.

Poter Principle · #3 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 10:07 PM

It's a disaster in the making. I strongly favor that climate change is more natural than man made.

We need to ask ourselves about Deep Underground Military Bases... What are they for if not the guaranteed survival of selected people in the face of exactly what possible and inevitable events?

peace and pot

operator1 · #4 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 10:11 PM

speaking of that, anyone else see that special the History channel had a few weeks ago about what the government would do if there was a nuclear attack on washington? Scary scary stuff... called continuity of government, or COG... really detailed plan of action and reaction. Two hours of tv that scared the crap out of me.

Michael · #5 (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 04:50 AM

It really is a brave new world.

freetolive · #6 (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 11:46 AM

HeHe...I'm waiting for my Somas to show up...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael

It really is a brave new world.

The Corsican · #7 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 07:23 AM

It's A Brave New World and Nineteen Eighty-Four combined, with an added dash of slavery and a pinch of despotism. Obama is fulfilling his role as the knock-down boy perfectly.

Yeah, "Hope" & "Change"...Thank you Satan.

-the Corsican.

SomeDude · #8 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 08:19 AM

just grab the direct youtube link and post in the thread or you can also post videos in the media center too

robotdinosaur · #9 (**permalink**) 11-08-2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poter Principle

Hi, I'm redirecting you to the website where I originally posted it cuz that's just way easier. Obama to cede US sovereignty - MedPot.net/Forums

Or can someone tell me how to embed the html, please. The videos are at the above link.

Here's the text at least:

Obama to cede US sovereignty

American Daughter Media Center - Front Page » COP15

By Jim Simpson | Tuesday, October 20th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Barack Hussein Obama will cede US sovereignty to the United Nations at the December “Climate Summit.”

Not content with his humiliation in Copenhagen, Denmark this past September, President Obama will be traveling there again in December to attend the UN COP15 Climate Change Conference. This agreement would commit the United States to punitive and expensive greenhouse gas regulations dictated by the United Nations without recourse.

COP stands for “Conference of the Parties” and the December Copenhagen conference will be the 15th under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), hence COP15. According to their website, it will be one of the largest conferences ever held outside the New York or Geneva headquarters, with an anticipated attendance of over 10,000 people, including governmental representatives from 189 countries, industry groups, and other non-governmental organizations.

The theme of the December 7 - 18 conference is “Hope,” so perhaps Mr. Obama will have more luck this time. Instead of soliciting the International Olympic Committee with trite clichés and getting no payoffs, he will be doing something much easier: selling out our country. After all, ceding power, relinquishing billions in U.S. tax dollars and destroying U.S. economic competitiveness is a pretty easy sell to the countries that will benefit, and he has had a lot of practice doing the same thing here at home. He will have a hard time screwing this one up.

The Hope site optimistically pronounces:

On 7 December, leaders from 192 countries gather for UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen and decide the fate of our planet…

Decide the fate of our planet… Do these people have any idea how mindlessly grandiose they sound? Of course not. They are out to save the planet, just like Nancy Pelosi! It is hard for a normal person to imagine making such proclamations without embarrassment. But this is today’s political class.

This agreement will cede U.S. sovereignty permanently and irrevocably to the United Nations. So said British Lord Christopher Monckton at an event at Bethel University in St Paul, Minnesota last Wednesday, October 14th.

Lord Monckton was former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher’s science advisor. He has lectured and written extensively on the issue, including an in-depth scientific critique to the 50,000 member American Physical Society, a serious side-by-side comparison slap-down of Al Gore’s global warming assertions, and a recent summary of the global warming issue. In introducing his topic at Bethel University, he states unequivocally:

…and I am going to show you the latest science, which now doesn’t leave the question unsettled any more, this is now settled science, it is now settled science that there is not a problem with our influence over the climate. The science is in, the truth is out, and the scare is over.

You can watch his entire presentation (1:35:33) on the Webcast Page here — well worth the time if you can spare it. The slideshow he frequently points to in this presentation can be viewed along with the video, here. Lord Monckton presents a series of statistics, charts and studies making a compelling case that not only is global warming insignificant — if it exists at all — but is likely not manmade, and more importantly, that the global warming alarmists have repeatedly, blatantly, deliberately lied, suppressing the facts to promote the myth.

Despite his effective refutation of manmade global warming, his closing remarks about the Copenhagen treaty are chilling:

I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.

So, thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom to the world. It is a privilege merely to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free. But, in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your prosperity away forever. And neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power whatsoever to take it back. That is how serious it is. I’ve read the treaty. I’ve seen this stuff about [world] government and climate debt and enforcement. They are going to do this to you whether you like it or no.

Watch him make his powerful concluding remarks in the following video (4:12 min):

You might call it a bit of rhetorical overkill, but given everthing else this administration and Congress have already done, only a bit. As Monckton later stated in a Q & A session, for such a treaty to be ratified requires a positive vote from a two-thirds majority in the U.S. Senate.

It seems difficult to imagine Democrats convincing seven Republicans to assist them in committing national suicide that way. Indeed, a recent Wall Street Journal article quoted Senate Republicans as saying that whatever deal Obama cut at Copenhagen would be dead on arrival:

Wisconsin Rep. James Sensenbrenner, the top Republican on the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, predicts “a repeat of Kyoto — namely an environmentally ineffective agreement that cannot be ratified” by the Senate. Of course, A republican would say this - they have all been crying in their soup since "they" lost the election and the majority

However, perhaps an easier option would be for Democrats to pass legislation enacting some or all of the proposals. The House has already passed the Waxman-Markey (Cap and Trade) bill. This onerous legislation calls for an 83 percent reduction in greenhouse gasses from 2005 levels by 2050. That means almost complete elimination of carbon based fuels, and parallels the goals identified in COP15, which asks participating countries to reduce global emmissions 50-85% by 2050.
Good
Such reductions would essentially bring our economy to a screeching halt, as Lord Monckton states in his speech. Even the more modest goal for 2020 of a 17 percent reduction will force radical changes in how we do business and conduct our daily lives.
< let's talk about fear mongering
Senators John Kerry (D-MA) and the increasingly addled Lindsay Graham (R-SC), put out an Op-Ed in the New York Times last week, under the frighteningly Obamanoid title “Yes We Can,” indicating that perhaps Senate Republicans shouldn’t be so sanguine either. Their article concludes thusly (emphasis added):

We are confident that a legitimate bipartisan effort can put America back in the lead again and can empower our negotiators to sit down at the table in Copenhagen in December and insist that the rest of the world join us in producing a new international agreement on global warming.

So if Kerry and Graham get their way, not only is America going to agree to UN global warming regulations, we are going to lead the charge in getting them imposed! <--this reeks of some jacka$$ afraid of having to curtail his wanton fossil fuel consumption

And the UN panel is fully anticipating a more conciliatory approach from the US. Recognizing Kerry’s efforts, as UNFCCC Executive Secretary Yvo de Boer stated:

I think that a major shortcoming of Kyoto was that the official delegation came back with a treaty they knew was never going to make it through the Senate. And this time I have the feeling that the communication is much stronger, that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, through John Kerry, is really expressing strongly what they feel needs to be done in Copenhagen.

Thank you John Kerry.

The UN website states the following about COP15 (emphasis added):

This [the 2009 Bangkok climate change talks] was the penultimate negotiating session before COP15 in Copenhagen in December, at which an ambitious and effective international climate change deal is to be clinched.

Before COP15, there will be a final round of negotiations November 2-6 in Barcelona, Spain at the Barcelona Convention Center.

The most recent UNFCCC Working Group report (181 pages) can be accessed here in PDF format. Much of it references earlier documents, of which there are many. To fully assess the ramifications of this proposal would likely require referencing these earlier documents as well.

While the prospects for Senate ratification of this treaty are probably in doubt, it seems likely the US Congress may try to pass Waxman-Markey or some other hybrid legislation using the same underhanded tactics now in play on healthcare. All the more reason to redouble our efforts at getting them out in 2010. <---Right Wing Agenda

Suffice it to say that if the carbon reduction targets already discussed are adapted by this country, nevermind whatever other onerous provisions are in this treaty, we might as well all buy a horse and buggy — sorry, rickshaw; horses create methane — because we will be headed back into the 18th century.

Additional Resources:

UNFCCC and Kyoto Protocol — Guide to Climate Change Negotiations (2008)

SourceWatch — UNFCCC summary, listing all participating parties, all COP meetings past and scheduled, and other useful information

Sphere: Related Content
Businessman and freelance writer Jim Simpson is a former White House staff economist and budget analyst (1987-1993). His writings have been published in the Washington Times, FrontPage Magazine, the Washington DC Examiner, DefenseWatch, Soldier of Fortune and others. You can read more of his articles on his blog, Truth and Consequences.

*********************************

What do we make of this?

If climate change is the result of the magnetosphere weakening, and/or Earth intersecting the galactic plane, and/or HAARP, and/or aliens' and/or something else, the warning is still valid.

Acting upon wrong causes for climate change might prove no less catastrophic than anything happening naturally. These are the most interesting times we are cursed to live through.
peace and pot

Do you HONESTLY believe that our selfish actions have NOTHING to do with climate change?
This article was obviously written by some right-wing-afraid-of-change nimwhit. And somebody that worked for Margaret Thatcher? Do you have any idea how HORRIBLE she was? Why in the world should we trust one of her lackys to tell us the truth? What country was it that stood behind Bush and his cronies to get us into this ridiculous war, give me a second, let me think, oh yes, it was Great Britain. They were the ones supporting Bushy's claim of WMDs.
It's all very OZ - don't look behind the curtain, there's nothing there for you to see. Don't stop driving your F@#king Hummers and SUVs, you're not impacting the climate by continually burning fossil fuels, and cutting down forests for another freaking McMansion.

Obama is far from perfect, but I trust him.

BTW: where did you get this article? the Fox News Network? Or should I say Fox Fear Network? Who's claims of reporting the news could be better labeled as paranoid fiction.

The Corsican · #10 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:52 AM

Nothing is obvious and you need to chill out a little bit.

-the Corsican.

SmokeToLive · #11 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 10:10 AM

Actually the author is a former white house official under Reagan I believe. (Working in the budget office.) He has a blog titled "There is no Right and Left, only Right and Wrong."

His bio says "...This country's vision has been blurred by almost a century of Leftist misinformation, which has been deliberately and systematically introduced into our schools, churches and factories as well as our political and judicial institutions. With the dangers we now face we can no longer afford the luxury of indulging the Left in its destructive, self-serving ambitions. They have damaged this country almost to the point of no return. It's time to face facts."

I think robot hit a little closer to home than you realize.

Lumix · #12 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by robotdinosaur

Obama is far from perfect, but I trust him.

Got some property on the moon I'll sell ya

freetolive · #13 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 10:35 AM

So the rich get protected by there fancy little carbon trading ponzi scheme. Just like the money ponzi scheme enacted in 1913. Just like the credit default ponzi scheme. I just do not understand "liberalism" when they seem to embrace the "corporatism" with absolute jubilation. I thought, a liberal minded person prefered individual rights over corperate rights. There for those in favor of legislation of climate protection had better reevaluate were the real pollution is coming from. These companies can continue spraying chemicals, dumping waste, ignoring landfill gas, ignoring hemp, chopping trees, and on and on. Maybe the real pollution is coming out of Washington scaring everyone to embrace another ponzi scheme for the greater good, while Goldaman Sachs (Sacks of Gold) just keeps sucking the life out of us. Whatever, now we are going to have a climate control god we must pay homage to, great.

snickelfritz · #14 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robotdinosaur

Do you HONESTLY believe that our selfish actions have NOTHING to do with climate change?
This article was obviously written by some right-wing-afraid-of-change nimwhit. And somebody that worked for Margaret Thatcher? Do you have any idea how HORRIBLE she was? Why in the world should we trust one of her lackys to tell us the truth? What country was it that stood behind Bush and his cronies to get us into this ridiculous war, give me a second, let me think, oh yes, it was Great Britain. They were the ones supporting Bushy's claim of WMDs.
It's all very OZ - don't look behind the curtain, there's nothing there for you to see. Don't stop driving your F@#king Hummers and SUVs, you're not impacting the climate by continually burning fossil fuels, and cutting down forests for another freaking McMansion.

Obama is far from perfect, but I trust him.

BTW: where did you get this article? the Fox News Network? Or should I say Fox Fear Network? Who's claims of reporting the news could be better labeled as paranoid fiction.

Girl... Where have you been sweetie? Hiding in some hippy commune somewhere?
I suggest you watch these 4 videos... Then do some more research for yourself.

1.

2.

3.

4.

I do not trust Obama or any other politician... PERIOD!!!

Kuro · #15 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robotdinosaur

Obama is far from perfect, but I trust him.
BTW: where did you get this article? the Fox News Network? Or should I say Fox Fear Network? Who's claims of reporting the news could be better labeled as paranoid fiction.

You trust Obama. How long have you known him? Do you listen to his contradictions when he speaks? Be a man, use common sense. Sounds to me like you have anger that is deeper than an SUV and the fuel it may consume.. Try some independent research before you blast another person, ignorance is not an excuse to be a fool. I hope you like the change that indoctrination has been preparing you for. Why do you fear Fox network? Are you leftist? If one is a leftist Cuba or Venezuela would be a place of Hope & Change for you. I prefer American sovereignty and free will.

robotdinosaur · #16 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snickelfritz

Girl... Where have you been sweetie? Hiding in some hippy commune somewhere?
I suggest you watch these 4 videos... Then do some more research for yourself.

1.

2.

3.

4.

I do not trust Obama or any other politician... PERIOD!!!

Oh, right because everything on YouTube is fact? I have done a lot of research on the matter. This stuff likely comes from Rense and infowars - which I think is OFTEN WAY out there. And it's too bad, because there PROBABLY is some truth to SOME things that they have to say.

You don't trust politicians, but you trust nuttos that sit around and stew on things. Why do YOU believe these things written and said by ANY other human being is fact? Have you ever given thought to the fact that these people could be in cahoots republicans,other governments, etc? or that they could just be seriously delusional people.

YOu ask me why I trust Obama, but I ask you why you believe this stuff on You Tube.

I will ask again: Do you seriously think that we are not part of the climate change?

My distaste for SUVs, McMansions and the like comes from how disgusting I find our culture's over-consumption. Not some deep seeded issue. My husband and I do well, but live modestly out of choice. We own a house, two cars (a newer Jetta that I run biodiesel in) & eat organic food. We try to reduce our carbon footprint any way we can. So if you think that makes us hippies, so be it. (even though we aren't) (BTW: My husband holds a masters in forestry and teaches it and I hold a bachelors in engineering (though I don't practice at the moment) - so I'm not some stupid girl, I just tend not to side with nuttos that say there is no climate change (as I've studied environmental science)

The Corsican · #17 (**permalink**) 11-11-2009, 12:26 AM

There is no such thing as a "Carbon Footprint". What a load of crap. They play the tune (the elites and their politicians) and the liberals dance without even realizing they are helping to destroy the environment they supposedly love so much. Who do you think is behind this legislation? The multinational corporations are going to win big and we're going to loose what little freedom we have left.

As for YouTube, big deal. You can find good information or bad information anywhere. In mainstream papers, television news, the Internet, etc. The important thing is to think critically and research the information.

-the Corsican.

operator1 · #18 (**permalink**) 11-11-2009, 12:41 AM

I think if you did research you should know better. There are many many acclaimed scientist that have publicly denounced global warming. I wonder if you noticed that it used to be called global warming until they found out its actually been cooling for ten years, then it was changed to "climate change". One person I can think of is Lord Mongdon (sp?) from britain... an extremely educated man that tells everyone that will listen that global warming and this whole co2 thing is a lie. If you need more proof look at the environmentalist front man Al Gore... the fact that he was only worth 2 million in 2000 and is almost worth 200 million now is proof enough of his motivation. Oh yeah, and General Electric is helping to write the environmental legislation now, so tell me they don't have motive to make millions, please. I did all that research in about an hour, and I'm convinced... here's another tidbit for ya, scientist say that one volcanic eruption emits more co2 into the atmosphere then 500 years of emissions from people, and how many of those have there been... lol, this is laughable to me, bio fuel... ha... Al Gore was recently quoted as saying that "there needs to be more land set aside for use by overcrowded endangered polar bears" hahaha if they are endangered how are they overcrowded?

Sprocket · #19 (**permalink**) 11-11-2009, 01:17 AM

you know whats really funny guys? these threads are proof that they win.
we are supposed to be unified towards one cause, yet we let them spur us toward dissension and turmoil.
confusion is from the enemy. think on it.

The Corsican · #20 (**permalink**) 11-11-2009, 07:52 AM

I disagree Sprocket.

Who said we're supposed to be unified towards one cause? How can people be unified when they don't even agree on what the problem is? That's the same hype the elites who want a world government are spreading, some mysterious touchy-feely "We are the world" crap. Yet they are the ones who have destroyed the world, not "We the People". When was the last time you or I polluted a river, caused the extinction of an animal or intentionally starved tens of thousands of children because "there are already too many people on this planet"? It just doesn't happen that way my friend. We're dealing with Malthusian megalomaniacs and power starved murderers.

I'd love to see people treating each other with kindness and caring about the big picture but most people are too busy stroking their own ego or entertaining themselves into oblivion. How can we have a decent dialog when most people either have no idea what is really going on or refuse to face the truth because of what it spells out for our future. We actually have people debating the economy who no nothing about how our monetary system works. We're bombarded with liars (so-called experts) who were taught in the co-opted and elite-created universities who march in step and spread the propaganda they were programmed with.

I agree with you that there is an insane amount of Divide & Conquer going on (the same with Order out of Chaos) but in order for people to break free of it they have to open their mind and seek out the truth. And they aren't going to find that truth listening to mainstream media talking heads or the totally controlled establishment. We have all bought into a lie, we were trained up to think in a specific way and anyone who doesn't think within those boundaries gets smeared, ridiculed, called a "Conspiracy Theorist", etc.. We've been drowning in political correctness (The Communist Lenin was the man who coined that term and it is a political weapon to shut up the opposition) and lies for far too long. You can't sacrifice the truth for unity's sake.

-the Corsican.