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Old 11-14-2009, 02:04 AM
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Default The Debate vs.God, Religion & Government

It is well known that I am an Atheist. I do not believe in "God" or religion...
I have been pondering the concept of it all...

Throughout our recorded history, mankind has always felt the need to worship a higher being... Any being...
So evil people took advantage of the situation and developed a "religion" to follow, in order to control how people worshiped, through superstition, fear and intimidation... & they gained power over men... They consumed this power and it intoxicated them... They craved more... They carefully developed monarchies... or dynasties... and, eventually... economies... to further control the people... It became a game to them... Like a giant game of "Stratego", or chess... They were the wealthy... The lives of millions, if not billions of people was nothing but a game to them...
The world was nothing but an ant colony to be exploited... or destroyed... Their ancestors were evil... they had the advantage of deceit. They screwed people over and got away with it. Then one day, one rich bastard decided that he was so rich, he should promote himself to godhood... He decided to actually own people... Then there was no end to his depravity.
Evil grew... Greed grew... The world suffered...

The concept of religion was not forgotten... The human need to believe in a higher being was easily exploited. As the population grew, more superstitious rumors were exploited... More fear grew... The the bait was taken.

The people decided they needed leadership to guide them in the right direction...
Evil thought it would be good sport...
The people were lulled into beliving that they should entrust others to making the "big decisions".

The politician was born... Such is the downfall of man.


We have been lulled into the belief that some people, or some families should be entrusted to making the decisions for millions of people...

That we should allow others to be able to decide if we should live or die? ...
The world has gone crazy... The game has gotten out of control!!!

The filthy rich had become so powerful, they had practically become living gods! They called themselves by different names because evil had fluorished so well... They were known by names like Zeus, Athena, Marz...
Ramzez...

There were gods & goddesses.. demigods, witches, demons, and rampant superstition... Their hold on us was absolute.


The idea that one person could have absolute power over the lives and deaths omillions became an accepted fact... The proper application of fear, religious superstitutions, and lies zealed the deal... They had complete control over our lives...

But, there were loopholes in the plan... The number of filthy rich was allowed to prosper... More people thought they were better than those that came before us... the worse off things became.

There was competition in the ranks of the gods... The lives of millions was gambled on a whim.

The people were now lulled into the false belief of patriotism... For "God, king and country".... And the power of evil prospered... The entire world was in jeopardy! No longer, was it confined to single continents...

The wealthy elites were in control of the entire planet! But they were still greedy!

They didn't want what they already had... They wanted what their fellow filthy rich had too. Evil had completely destroyed them... They care not for the welfare of their subjects. Wars were fought... Sometimes the people won... Sometimes they didn't...

The wealthy becamy wary of the risk to their own control... The people became angry... the idea of revolution, ideas of independende and freedom began to began to prosper.... The rich didn't know how to handle the growing dissent... Bureaucracy grew... Evil was able to lead others into temptation...Corruption reigned rampant...
As corruption grew, so did power... Laws became more draconian... The people suffered.

They were taxed into submission. The rich owned everything.., The barter system could no longer sustain you... Money had been invented...

And with money... grew the need for banks... With banks, another source of greed... The older rich families became jealous and afraid of those that were beneath them for so long, but rizing in power. People were killed... Enslaved... Persecuted... Prosecuted... Tried... Imorisoned... Tortured... or killed at the whim of the filthy rich, dirty politician,

Unless the people of the world realize that the universe itself is god, and we are just a miniscule part of something greater... Not encumbered by religion or lesser men.
And, they must also realize that the religions of the world have always competed with the richest of the world... Power and wealth are equals... For one cannot exist without the other... Both sides fluorished... But greed was too great... Wars began to be fought over religion and ideals... And, the people suffered... Seems like a neverending story, doesn't it?


Is it strange that there are so many ancient civilizations point to the year 2012 as the year of great change?

Dec. 21st, 2012 does not have to be the end of the world... According to the Mayan traditions, It could be the birth of a new begining. Simply the end of an age and the begining of another. If the people of the world would simply say "No more!" Perhaps it is time for the people of the world to take a stand against tyranny!! Take the power away from the filthy rich & knock them down a peg or two... The people have become educated... The game is not as easy as it used to be... If enough of the people of the world revolt the world can truly be free. If enough soldiers and cops of the world question and refuse orders that seem immoral, illegal... Or in some places... Unconstitutional...

If those in power have their say, the world population will be all but destroyed... Reduced to a more "managable number", by using "invented prophecy" from a 1 or 2 thousand years ago, to influence people to conform to their will... The seeds of revolution are sewn... Wars are fought... The people suffer and die... The cycle continues...

Civilizations have been built and destroyed...
People have been exploited, and enslaved throughout our known history.. It has all happened time & time again... Laws of the unjust rule the masses, and, given enough time, destruction is guaranteed...

Why does it have to be this way again?

The rich and / or powerful are the true problem... The true evil in the world... Religion is a lie... No one should tell you who or what to worship. Belief should be more than just blind faith. You must seek the truth for yourself... Those that seek violence are evil. Those that order others to commit violence are evil... Those willing to risk their lives for the sake of true freedom are to be commended.
If we as a people can learn to reject those that would order us to kill for their selfish reasons... Reject the need for oil and switch to affordable, recyclable, and biodegradeable fuel sources like hemp and hydrogen... And pursue the benefits of a responsible, and peaceful, industrial society, we will never prosper as a people and take our proper place amongst the stars.
Until then, we will never truly understand the universe... We will never understand the true goncept of what this enigmatic concept of a "God" is.
Until then, it is all a pipe deram. Spoon fed to the masses by a corrupt and heirarchigal establishment.
We will never be allowed to take our place in the universe if we do not first know peace amongst ourselves...
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....cause i think everyone here is totally awesome, and this subject is near and dear to my heart, which causes me to lose my cool sometimes (thank my Irish and Norse ancestry), i will refrain. however, believe it or not, i am a former preacher of protestant faith(not too specific, i know, but that's all i'm saying) . i no longer preach the good word for my own reasons, and the reason why is quite a tale of it's own, but not one to be divulged now.
my beliefs have not changed, but they have matured, and they are essentially the same. if you are not shocked into a coma, keep reading.

one of the sweet things about having a religion is that your God can always go deux ex machina, swoop in at the best possible time and bail your ass out of tight situations, like when you only have one shot at flicking a dime into the Large Hadron Collider's ignition switch and saving the world or when you really need to find some more ammo for your BFG as the alien horde is about to overwhelm you and you only have 10 HP left, with no health in sight.

if you're an atheist, you're pretty much on your own. while this can have its logical Earthly advantages (you know you're going to have to do it on your own so you don't rely on anyone else), it's always nice to have a chance to get in on some sweet-ass divine intervention, especially if your god does something awesome like breathe fire or drop ammo from heaven instead of manna.


just two little centavos rubbed together.

yes, i am full of contradictions.
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Life is rough.

So, I figure people are entitled to believe whatever they need to believe to make it through, as long as they don't think the only way they can appease their god is through the act of barbecuing kittens or something... that's where I draw the line!!


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....bunch of friggen stoners!

....barbecueing kittens and flicking dimes into cylinders?

Sorry snick, I understand your ernest post...and I think you have a well thought out precept.....but you friggen stoners make me laugh!

Have a good one guys.
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....cause i think everyone here is totally awesome, and this subject is near and dear to my heart, which causes me to lose my cool sometimes (thank my Irish and Norse ancestry), i will refrain. however, believe it or not, i am a former preacher of protestant faith(not too specific, i know, but that's all i'm saying) . i no longer preach the good word for my own reasons, and the reason why is quite a tale of it's own, but not one to be divulged now.
my beliefs have not changed, but they have matured, and they are essentially the same. if you are not shocked into a coma, keep reading.

one of the sweet things about having a religion is that your God can always go deux ex machina, swoop in at the best possible time and bail your ass out of tight situations, like when you only have one shot at flicking a dime into the Large Hadron Collider's ignition switch and saving the world or when you really need to find some more ammo for your BFG as the alien horde is about to overwhelm you and you only have 10 HP left, with no health in sight.

if you're an atheist, you're pretty much on your own. while this can have its logical Earthly advantages (you know you're going to have to do it on your own so you don't rely on anyone else), it's always nice to have a chance to get in on some sweet-ass divine intervention, especially if your god does something awesome like breathe fire or drop ammo from heaven instead of manna.

just two little centavos rubbed together.

yes, i am full of contradictions.
you left out karma. which is at the center of what one recieves from the universe. good and bad..
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Karma is interesting.

What kind of karma can a 4 year old have that would get them sent to Auschwitz?

I don't really get that part of it, to be honest.
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