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10-27-2009, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jack_millions I believe you're wrong. There are a lot of boiler room charities run by semi-mafia type people (think 'the worse side of telemarketing). They generate a huge amount of donations (mill+ per year). Something like >10% of their donations go to the charity, most go to operating expenses (i.e. the owner's salary, fancy home, sports car, etc).
It's legal, deplorable, but legal. They often scam people into thinking they are helping wounded vets, or widows, etc. And the fact is they don't get in trouble for that. |
Actually in 2009, on your form 990 you have to document your process for determining compensation. The IRS absolutely can jack you up (audit you) if you are overly compensating, and they find you are not fulfilling your obligations as an NPO. It depends on exactly what type of NPO you are and each situation is different. But I imagine cannabis dispensary gets the worst treatment of all and the most scrutiny. Having an argument, or rationale ahead of time will help, and during the audit process this can give you a "rebuttable presumption" but its still not going to be fun.
I don't see street prices as a reason, or influence upon what dispensaries should charge. In the same light I don't think pharmacies should charge the street price for oxycodone to keep people from buying it and reselling. The deterrent to this sort of behavior is the law imo.
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10-27-2009, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee so obama's speech means nothing   | He's just another f-ing politician. What else would you expect? Quote:
Originally Posted by operator1 under CA law all the dispensaries have to be non-profit... so yeah, they were outside the law on that one and were asking for it if that is what happened. | Now... Who actually opens up any business with no intention of making money? The very idea of a non-profit business is just stupid. Unless you are talking about a charity. Even then, most of what charities bring in goes into "operating expenses" and never makes it to those that need it. Quote:
Originally Posted by v0ssman yeah, now if only they weighed out and scrutinized every other type of profitable industry in California...then wed be somewhere  |
They do v0ssman... That way, they can tax the sh*t out of it. Quote:
Originally Posted by The Corsican Let's not forget that Cannabis should be totally decriminalized. It's not just for breakfast anymore! (medicinal use and medicinal growing is a logical place to start but we need to eradicate 90 years worth of negative propaganda concerning marijuana)
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Even though you're probably right it really doesn't matter. Look at those TV preachers raking in millions of dollars. Does the government really give a shyte when it comes to something other then marijuana? | Cannabis shouldn't just be decriminalized, it should be completely legal for everyone. It is a plant!
Those TV preachers are just as corrupt as the politicians, except for the fact that every dime they bring in is TAX FREE! Religion is big business.
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10-27-2009, 07:44 PM
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Right on Snick,
I should have been more specific. Decriminalized doesn't necessarily mean legal and I want Cannabis totally legal. Religion has always been big business!
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10-27-2009, 09:33 PM
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You would think that anyone engaging in that business (buying and selling marijuana) would have the forethought to hire an excellent attorney, and an accountant, and a tax attorney to run through all the rules and regs with a fine toothed comb before they venture into something that could potentially ruin they're lives and bring negative press to the cause they claim to be fighting for. I have said before, it is up to us to work within new laws, and abide completely and absolutely with them, while fighting for the furtherance of the cause. As soon as someone steps outside the box then of course someone will be waiting to stomp them, thats the nature of the beast. However... if people are consistently following the letter of the law then there is no argument to be made for the further abolition of marijuana or the people that grow/indulge/medicate with it.
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10-27-2009, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by operator1 You would think that anyone engaging in that business (buying and selling marijuana) would have the forethought to hire an excellent attorney, and an accountant, and a tax attorney to run through all the rules and regs with a fine toothed comb before they venture into something that could potentially ruin they're lives and bring negative press to the cause they claim to be fighting for. I have said before, it is up to us to work within new laws, and abide completely and absolutely with them, while fighting for the furtherance of the cause. As soon as someone steps outside the box then of course someone will be waiting to stomp them, thats the nature of the beast. However... if people are consistently following the letter of the law then there is no argument to be made for the further abolition of marijuana or the people that grow/indulge/medicate with it. | The unfortunate thing is...
Even if you are squeaky clean and operate 100% within the law, the less than ethical D.A.'s and cops can invent any reason they choose to bust in your door, haul you to jail and confiscate your property.
Now, YOU are are the one facing an uphill battle, from jail, to vindicate yourself.
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10-27-2009, 09:47 PM
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All the more reason to have all the ducks in one squeaky clean row... to better drag the system through the mud with when you get raided. If there is no viable reason for what they did then more people should be publicly smearing the cops and D.A. through the mud on this issue. Regardless of the intimidation I'm sure they use on these people when they do get raided, they can't be afraid to stand up and speak out against abuse of power, and there needs to be viable media outlets to speak out too... I thought they were going to debate on the decriminalization of marijuana in Cali anyhow, what ever happened to that?
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10-27-2009, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gramma watt California has screwed up MMJ for the whole US.
They took advantage of the law..why is Cali the only place we see raids?
Because the government offered a finger and Cali took the whole hand. | I live in canada and I could be worse off but I still dont think it's a free country.
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10-27-2009, 11:21 PM
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It occured to me that eally the dispensaries in CA need to charge street retail prices. If they don't, I'm betting a lot of patients who are, let's say, "not very in need" would buy at dispensaries and then resell on the street. That would be a HUGE black eye for MMJ. If some punk with a card could buy a few ounces for $100, and then sell them for $300 ea. Want to see the feds crack down on MMJ, let that happen. So either they get really stringent on handing out cards (which would surely affect some people who really need it), or charge street prices (yeah there's some other option, but they get more comlicated and ugly imho). Just a thought.
| i agree totally...that is the main reason why they charge right at or a little above street price...not only that but usually their bud is just a little bit better than what i can get from the brotha next door so i dont mind driving to and paying a little bit more for medical quality...i can either get "them purps" from brotha man for 50 an eigth or something awesome like chem 4 or blue dream for 60 and a 20 minute drive to berekely...wanna ride with me? lol
and heres another thing...anyone who sells bud is going to make money...you have to ask yourself this...where do you want your money going? into furthering the criminal element in your neighborhood? or into the pocket of someone working behind a counter all day selling premium meds to people? again i ask...wanna ride with me?
all that being said...if you smoke alot the only smart thing to do is grow
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10-27-2009, 11:53 PM
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I think its wrong to assume that medical marijuana patients are acting in bad faith when purchasing medicine. We have laws to deal with those who divert medical marijuana to non patients.
If the price of street marijuana goes up, does that mean the medical marijuana dispensaries are going to have to raise their prices as well?
I think patients should have access to the best medicine at the most affordable price.
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11-08-2009, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by operator1 You know how you could tell he was lying??? His mouth was moving and words were coming out...lol that goes the same for any politician, no matter what they say, they aren't in it to help you or anyone else but themselves and their close friends. | Hey operator, it's not Obama, it's the local cops. Have you read anything by Ed Rosenthal lately, if not, I would check out his website. He tells a recent story on his news feed about the cops busting a dispensary operating within the laws. They took a TON of money from them, the charges got dropped and the LAPD refused to return the money. They instead filed a complaint to the FEDS to try and get the dispensary in trouble (since they couldn't) I'll skip to the end. A judge in CA, overruled and gave the dispensary their money back. It's corrupt pig cops (the LAPD keeps 80% of forfeited money and wanted to keep the $180K for themselves) NOT the Obama administration.
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11-08-2009, 10:44 PM
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If the price of street marijuana goes up, does that mean the medical marijuana dispensaries are going to have to raise their prices as well?
| yes...as i already said that is how it has to be...and id rather pay the club than the street dealer...such is life...it should be legal for everyone and tax free then we wouldnt have that problem. Quote: |
I think patients should have access to the best medicine at the most affordable price.
| they do...the club sells clones for 12$ each...grow your own...thats as affordable as it gets.
again...the club making a profit is better for us than the street dealer making profit...every time...shoot theyre working behind the counter all day serving a bunch of pot heads like me...they DESERVE what they make...and if you cant afford it...just grow it Quote: |
Hey operator, it's not Obama, it's the local cops. Have you read anything by Ed Rosenthal lately, if not, I would check out his website. He tells a recent story on his news feed about the cops busting a dispensary operating within the laws. They took a TON of money from them, the charges got dropped and the LAPD refused to return the money. They instead filed a complaint to the FEDS to try and get the dispensary in trouble (since they couldn't) I'll skip to the end. A judge in CA, overruled and gave the dispensary their money back. It's corrupt pig cops (the LAPD keeps 80% of forfeited money and wanted to keep the $180K for themselves) NOT the Obama administration.
| i agree with this, but. dont fool yourself. obama doesnt give a crap about us and our rights any more than any other politician/pig does...if he did he would enforce the opinion he claims to have about marijuana.
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11-08-2009, 10:58 PM
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"Those TV preachers are just as corrupt as the politicians, except for the fact that every dime they bring in is TAX FREE! Religion is big business""" Religion is an empire | 
11-09-2009, 03:38 AM
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This is kind of related, since this thread talks about 'profit' and MMJ prices.
Misinformation from American's for Save Access: ASA Fresno Chapter - Promoting safe and legal access to cannabis for therapeutic use and research Quote: All anyone has to do is look at the prices that are being charged by the medical marijuana growers and distributers in dispensaries all over California. Medical marijuana is averaging $60 for an eighth of an ounce, and there is no way that such prices can be justified without factoring in huge profit margins.
It is so often said that the medical marijuana suppliers of today are simply charging what they have to in order to keep afloat. What doesn't add up is that you can buy marijuana almost anywhere on the streets for around $5 - $10 per eighth ounce while supposedly legitimate providers are charging around $60 for the same amount. |
What doesn't add up imho, is trying to is looking at retail prices to try and make a claim of profiteering. You have to look at... well, 'profit' it make a case for such a claim, not retail prices or gross sales.
And what is totally disingenuous is claiming that you can buy medical grade MJ for $5-10 per eighth. Quote: | Medical marijuana providers use the excuse that they have a lot of expenses like lighting, utilities, security, etc., and so they have to charge that much to cover their costs of operations. I ask you though… Who actually has the greater operating expenses; those who grow legally or those who grow illegally? | Well golly Gomer, now you want to ask about expenses. Expenses are virtually the same I'd imagine, probably greater for legal sellers/growers due to extra adminstrative costs (adhering to local tax laws, obtaining a business license, advertising expenses (gee, real advertising costs money, and even a non-profit has to advertise), et cetera. I think it'd be self evident that a legal business has more operating costs. Plus legal growers face the same potential of criminal charges. So a legal grower has the same need to have money in the war chest to mount a legal defense if needed. I mean way to gloss over the fact that MMJ is 'quasi-legal,' and that people do get arrested for it -- so anyone with brains will use many of the same tactics an illegal grower would use in order to keep a low profile. Quote: | That brings us to wonder again why legitimate medical marijuana providers are charging six times or more what illegal growers are | 9 out or 10 bunnies like pancakes on their heads. See I can make up statistics too. As the old adage goes, "show me the street" where you can score high grade MJ for $5 per eighth... or an ounce for $40. When you resort to even one obvious outright fabrication to try and win an arguement, it tends to make a reader suspect everything you have to say.
And that's my $.02, but as Americans for Safe Access claims, it should only be $.002 ;)
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11-09-2009, 05:25 AM
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I'm surprised people are getting down on the illegal sellers. Who in the hell has been supplying all of us with weed since it became legal? Who took all the risk, the real risk? Not the smokers but the smugglers and dealers. They've been bringing weed to the people too scared to do their own thing for decades.
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11-09-2009, 12:25 PM
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It seems to me that what these places need is attorneys who really know what they are doing to protect these businesses. Running things through litigation might be expensive at times, but if the governments open the door with some of the MMJ laws, we need to use that opportunity get what we need.
Peace and good luck all.
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11-09-2009, 06:34 PM
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What we need is a government that follows the Constitution. The tenth amendment guarantees that the states are not to be ruled over by the Federal government" "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
The states can do what the hell they want. State law trumps Federal law. Are we forgetting that we're a union of individual countries? We might not be countries in the same spirit as other small nations but the states have always had the power and the right to do what they please in regards to the Federal government. The Constitution reiterates this over and over. What do you call ten thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A damn good start!
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