N.N.C.C Being raided Now..4:30 pm wed 10-22-10
RAID at NNCC? say it ain't so!!!!
"ATTENTION PATIENTS:

The LAPD is raiding NNCC in Reseda right now. We have confirmation from very reliable sources and we need everybody in the area to go over there and protest right now!

Nature's Natural Collective Care (NNCC)
6951 Reseda Blvd. Reseda, Ca.

If you can, please go down there right now!"

there are more places that have been raided, this is just an official statement from this specific one. Sorry to the patients who believed they had to no longer fear being raided, or arrested. And im sorry to the Naive who have accepted Obamas 2nd Official statement as gold

so obama's speech means nothing

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Wow, what a shame prick cops not willing to let it be :(. You have my support here but sadly I live elsewhere and I cant come. It ticks me off, Not because its for medical use but because I cant even make a choice for myself if I want, even for something as simple as wearing a helmet when I ride my bike. I live in canada and I could be worse off but I still dont think it's a free country.

You know how you could tell he was lying??? His mouth was moving and words were coming out...lol that goes the same for any politician, no matter what they say, they aren't in it to help you or anyone else but themselves and their close friends.

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thats some BS...I wish CK and his family all the best.

CAM-

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It's an Obamanation! (I doubt I'm the first person to coin that term.)

Such a warm, fuzzy feeling.

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California has screwed up MMJ for the whole US.
They took advantage of the law..why is Cali the only place we see raids?
Because the government offered a finger and Cali took the whole hand.

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I saw this coming as soon as I read Obama's memo. He's been nothing bu hot air since day one.


CA is really the only state that has an easy system for getting meds to patients (afaik, maybe Denver too). So of course there's a lot of dispensaries, and fed attention.

Most states with MMJ laws have made MMJ legal, but have created no system of supply other than 'grow your own' or 'black market' (afaik). Any dispensary that pops up tends to get squashed by local cops, so no need for fed involvement. So imho it makes sense that CA gets all the attention.


CA is also the 3rd largest state by area, has the largest population of any other state (larger than many nations), has the second largest city in the US, has the largest economy of any other state in the US (bigger than most nations), et cetera.

That means it will naturally have more people who qualify for MMJ, and more of a need for a distribution channel that meets the need of patients. It also means the feds will focus on CA, rather than a 'po dunk' area where their raids would not grab headlines (imho raids are about headlines and sending a message). There's that old saying "so goes CA, so goes the nation." The feds surely believe that if they can't stop it in CA, then they can't stop it anywhere. Thus they focus on CA.

The WoD also creates an incentive for raids that is proportional to the income of the person or business being raided. The raiding agency will get to keep any funds sized. If CA has the largest population, the largest economy, the most MMJ patients, a legal means to distribute meds that generates a lot of money... then of course it will garner the attention of the raiders (maybe mauraders is a more accurate term). The local cops and DEA get to swoop in, seize a lot of money, and then spend it however they wish. It's positive reinforcement for bad behavior. Wouldn't work so well in WA, where they would not get much money from the raids (bad return on investment, which is sadly a funny way to look at it).

Obama lied, pot patients cried. He could have sought real progress regarding MMJ, and got the schedule changed, or a Fed MMJ law passed, but instead all we get is this worthless peice of memo paper.

Just my $.02

Did the DEA raid this dispensary, or did local LEO raid the dispensary?

Was the warrant state or federal?

Is it being prosecuted in the small d c, or the big D C?

Most dispensaries in CA do not operate IAW state law, in fact if you read the state law, "dispensaries" aren't even legal, collectives or co ops are legal. I don't know anything about this specific place, but a lot of "collectives" in CA are actually dispensaries which buy their meds from Mexi-Cartel and resell for high profit.

since its legal on a state level I would imagine it was the DEA that did it, but if they were found doing something outside the law it could have been locals I guess. I agree that CA has taken advantage of the MMJ situation with all the moratoriums and stuff like that. There are way more dispensaries then there were ever supposed to be and I don't think the politicians appreciate someone finding that loop hole and exploiting it.

It goes to the old saying of "give someone enough rope, and see if they end up hanging from it". Seems like a lot of this could have been avoided by simply respecting the current law and working within that to achieve better results for the future.

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It was LAPD...I saw the pictures of the damage and the tooles/officers...I was told they got raided because they were making a profit...whatever that means.

I havent heard much else...I went to a local dispensary type forum to see whats up and poof NNCC is gone?

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under CA law all the dispensaries have to be non-profit... so yeah, they were outside the law on that one and were asking for it if that is what happened.

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A non profit can have large gross sales, and large expenses. Salaries are counted as part of the expenses, and the salaries can be large.

I read an article today where a dispensary owner said he made 13k per month. That might be low, that might be high, but let's say in reality it was double that (26k per month). So long as the dispensary filed the appropriate non-profit paperwork, then the dispensary would be in fact a non-profit -- regardless of the owners salary.

Now if the dispensary was organized as an S-corp or C-corp, then I could see them being in trouble for being a for-profit company.

That's just how business works. Salaries are an expense. It's how a company is structured or incorporated that makes it a for profit, or non-profit company.

I suspect the LAPD defines "making a profit" as 1) large gross sales and 2) large salaries. Under business law that's crap, under criminal law, well, the LEOs, and DAs and the Judges are all on the same team, so the game is rigged imho.

yeah, now if only they weighed out and scrutinized every other type of profitable industry in California...then wed be somewhere

Actually, if you take an exhorbitant salary at an NPO you can absolutely get in trouble. Non profits in the case of a collective must be formed with the purpose of providing a service to the community. Selling medicine at a price which allows one individual within the organization to take a 280,000 dollar a year salary, while providing medicine well above purschase price would NOT fall into that category. The IRS in conjunction with local law enforcement has gone after many NPOs that simply pay out too much.

Furthermore, any surplus that is generated (synonomous with profit) must be used to provide said community service the NPO was formed to provide.


Buying meds at $4 per gram, and reselling them at $20 per gram, so that an individual may take home $20,000 a month will not go over.

Non-profit businesses have to be set up as 501(c)3 according to the IRS. I don't think these dispensaries are bringing this on themselves, I think the laws are too vague and the police are too zealous and refuse to accept the will of the people. We should support all of the MJ dispensaries regardless of profits or overall motive. This thing has to blow up and California is the logical place for the event horizon to take place.

Let's not forget that Cannabis should be totally decriminalized. It's not just for breakfast anymore! (medicinal use and medicinal growing is a logical place to start but we need to eradicate 90 years worth of negative propaganda concerning marijuana)

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6951A,

Even though you're probably right it really doesn't matter. Look at those TV preachers raking in millions of dollars. Does the government really give a shyte when it comes to something other then marijuana?

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Good point.

Non profits do not have to be setup as 501(c)3, or as any type of 501(c). 501 C is a designation used by the IRS for non profit organizations which have federal income tax exemption.

Religions get special exceptions in many different circumstances, taxes being one of them. Certain religious groups are allowed to use drugs that would land you or I in jail.


Its BS. But it doesn't mean dispensaries can break the rules, well not until we have as much political power as religious organizations, and I am not holding my breath.



I am all for some laws which allow for the distribution of cannabis on a for profit basis. What I don't like however, is groups forming (incorporating) as non profit, and then not operating as non profits. That just isn't right. In fact, its illegal, and its landing a lot of them in hot water.

That was my point 6951A.


Its BS. But it doesn't mean dispensaries can break the rules, well not until we have as much political power as religious organizations, and I am not holding my breath.

I am all for some laws which allow for the distribution of cannabis on a for profit basis. What I don't like however, is groups forming (incorporating) as non profit, and then not operating as non profits. That just isn't right. In fact, its illegal, and its landing a lot of them in hot water.

That's you're opinion not mine.

We need less government regulation, not more. The reason we're in this mess is because of the government. We have enough foolish and pointless laws on the books already. We really don't need any more.

-the Corsican.

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I believe you're wrong. There are a lot of boiler room charities run by semi-mafia type people (think 'the worse side of telemarketing). They generate a huge amount of donations (mill+ per year). Something like >10% of their donations go to the charity, most go to operating expenses (i.e. the owner's salary, fancy home, sports car, etc).

It's legal, deplorable, but legal. They often scam people into thinking they are helping wounded vets, or widows, etc. And the fact is they don't get in trouble for that.

What they get into trouble for is sucking Grandma dry of all her retirement funds via strong arm telemarketing style tactics. That little old lady who they call 3x per month, and talk her into donating 3k each time. Eventually the grand kids find out, complain to the state AG, and charges are filed. Not because of the ratio of donations that goes to the non-profit cause, ro the amount of the owner's salary, but because they are predatory in nature and use illegal tactics to get donations.

There's been several 20/20 and nightline style investigative journalism pieces on this issue.


Absoluely right. I'm really dont' want to debate busines law, but sufficed to say there's lots more avenues to being a non-profit than just a 501c. Each state is a little different, and you don't need to be a church either.

It occured to me that eally the dispensaries in CA need to charge street retail prices. If they don't, I'm betting a lot of patients who are, let's say, "not very in need" would buy at dispensaries and then resell on the street. That would be a HUGE black eye for MMJ. If some punk with a card could buy a few ounces for $100, and then sell them for $300 ea. Want to see the feds crack down on MMJ, let that happen. So either they get really stringent on handing out cards (which would surely affect some people who really need it), or charge street prices (yeah there's some other option, but they get more comlicated and ugly imho). Just a thought.