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you know what is so frightening about this guy: he names the things by the name from time to time. And once again, no talk of drowning Jews in the sea as claimed by CNN. been just about ending the terror state of Israel in democratic referendum.

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The puppet government of Israel set up on stolen land by the Empire of America.

Never has there existed a government that told its people "Hey folks, you would be better off in that other country." Makes you wonder if ever a truth comes out of the Emporer's mouth at all...

We really NEED to look at our Islamic neighbors and study them closely for no other reason than to learn how to resist the Empire with little or nothing but sheer determination!!!

Later,
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I am an incorrigible, pathological fantasizer fabricating illusionary amusements for various individuals. In other words I lie like a politician. I refuse to break the law because I intend to live my life till the day I die!

is it really any wonder why the powers that be want to shut up any state /person/group of persons with even the smallest bit of free will and free thought that wont fall into line??

we need a revolution, we cannot shut up and become cattle. this guy at least stands up to them publically and speaks his own mine rather than mime someone elses words like a puppet, ever wonder why saddam was put out of buiness? ( im not saying saddam wasnt an evil miserable son of a bitch), but he turned around and bit the hand that fed him by eventually discovering free will, even if he was twisted, he stood out and defended his point of view. just as this guy... now iraq and afghanistan have puppets that obey their masters.. or else!

I believe if we really want the liberation of Israel, you need to get them to not think they are in control/ownership of the "holy/Mother Land". This became more of a religious conflict that got politics involved. If Israel were willing to move for the future of their people, America should give up some of it's land it owns
I do love America not the politics. but unfortunately they've forced Native americans, native Alaskans, and Native Hawaiians from their lands and began to claim it as their own. Now the US is doing it elsewhere in the word and i believe that is wrong.
Granted i too think the President of Iran is a little off the wall, but his passion for the people of Palestine is as strong as America's passion for Israel.

kailiwela44

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well said.

I think for the most part America's passion for Israel, is really another media wash as it were. I remember when I first made the realization that it was wrong (to me) years ago, when I saw Israel attack gazza, with tanks & other high teqs. & the palestinians fought back with rocks, antique guns, & homemade explosives ect. Things that make you go hmmm?

As for the clame to the land, I don't know?
Check out Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss &
NETUREI KARTA
www.nkusa.org/

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OKAY, youtube censored the video no due to the fact that it portrait the trues which the zionists don't like - so it had to go, too bad

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Before the Jews got Israel no one wanted it! Look at the history it looked like a wasteland. Now its a beautiful and productive place so they should not have it! They are just americas puppets. They and we need to give up land. They are mean and attack people! PATHETIC! How old are you people? What a bunch of uninformed Haters! What have they been teaching in school since I was a kid? Israel has a right to protect itself. How would you like to be at work and suddenly your ass is blown up by idiots across the border in gaza shooting missles! After they signed the cease fire! People that are against Israel and Jews are braindead Haters! You obviously dont know much about the country or their history and dont know anything of Christianity! Bunch of know nothings! Nothing important anyway. Too deep for some people to understand! Just Attacks on a noble country!

I feel pretty versed on the subject, we can discuss it should you like

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And United States teached us the promise to the Hawaiian people of equality. Speaking of being mean the people of Hawaii got our kingdom illegally overthrown--bill clintons apology to Hawaiians, no Native voting for Statehood (voted by americans, not native hawaiians fefer to the Blount report to Ex president Clevland), almost destroying our culture through religion--we believed in Theology, but accepted Jesus because he means well, etc...I was educated by the American government. If America can do this to those it wishes to Unite, why not give others the same/worse treatment.

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tell you what mate, how about this. the kurd dont have a country and have been beaten to a pulp over the last few decades and now i feel sorry for them. i reckon you should give up your home so they can have a country.
sinse you feel its so fair for the jews (which isnt even a homologous race of people by the way but rather a religious sect made up by people of various nationalities - mostly poles and russions, the original arab jews continue a minority) to have a country in the middle east i think its only fair the same is done for the kurds how about a stretch of seafront between california and washington, and while your at it, the poor poor gypsies which have been so discriminated for centuries, more so even than the jews, i recomend a piece of prime waterfront in canada or maybe wales or ireland....
i mean its only fair!

have you ever stopped to think where we would be if everytime a people got beaten up we started giving away countries? before the jews got it noone wanted it?? your suggesting that it was a barren uninhabited desert that was up for grabs? i supose the jews built jerusalem AFTER they got it then... well if there was no-one there feforehand i take back everything i just said and apologise to the people of israel for attacking their honour.

as for the hate... if you werent so blind youd know there have always been jews in the middle east, a this jewish arab minority lived in relative peace with their muslim brothers. the hate only began after the so called civilized world, or rather a few wealthy individuals knew better than poor ignorant arab nations right...

divide and conquer!

the pood buggers, i mean sure they have the right to protect themselves. i believe we should give curds and gypsies state of the art weaponry just in case their unruly neighbours decide to throw rocks at em while they build colonies in their new and justly deserved nation...

you do realise israel as a nation is unsustainable? and by this i mean that when big brother american empire crumbles (as all empires eventually do in the cycle of history) the jews will abruptly go back to being simple jews in other parts of the world, they will call it the exodus part II...

what will they say then?

its only fair

your suggesting that it was a barren uninhabited desert that was up for grabs? i supose the jews built jerusalem AFTER they got it then, and somehow managed to change a 'wastland' into something other than a desert? what did they do? plant tulips? was it the great nation of israel that planted olive groves on that particular piece of dirt for the first time?
ah wait.. i just found a picture of an israeli planting machine, i supose those containers on the left are colour coded to indicate different plant strains(?).. or is the machine a harvester?and the satelite picture on the right surely is proof that the 'wasteland' of islam has definately been upgraded, it looks now like the 'desert' of judaism. good work israel. keep it up and soon youll have prairie...

but well if there was no-one there feforehand i take back everything i just said and apologise to the people of israel for attacking their honour.

i persolly dont believe in political borders or religious ones for that matter, we were born free and we should live free to go where we please when we please, without borders. without countries. tribes of humans roaming free and pround on our beautiful blue rock floating is space. borders are just a for of control and supression, so that the governing bodies may do as they please. like we are owned by whoever controls the map.

time we stopped seein ourselves as belonging to diferent countries (please, stop to think about the word 'belonging' in this phrase. what the word belong means, and consequently, what this phrase suggests) and rather started seeing ouselves as humans of the same planet.

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i mean it really hurts to hear someone sujest that just because a 'wastland' is a wasteland that nobody loves it.

my family lives in portugal. its a small country thats usually forgotten on the outskirts of europe. he lives in a house thats been in my family at least sinse 1355. the earliest written records point to the houses existence long before that date. my family has very probably lived on that particular piece of land, inside those meter thick walls, under that same roof at least sinse the romans settled there. i dont believe there is a single ruling so called blue blood that can boast that sort of lineage to their lands. they call themselves nobles?

my point is, how happy woud i be if someone else gave it away? and if i did something about it, should i be labled a terrorist? these guys are suffering the fate of any invading force. naturally any invading force is going to meet resistance. call it what you want. just dont try to throw your beautiful and productive sand in my eyes

having spent a lot of time in isreal,and the IDF(Israel defense force)and just for the record i did not kill any baby's,and even married to a lovely girl from there.
it really saddens me that there is so many ill informed people out there !
i would not normally get in to this subject but this man(leader of Iran)that you all seem to have rose tinted sunglasses on ,take them off and come into the real world .
isreal,look at the real history,not the bullshit that i see on the net and elsewhere(not a Jew killed in ww2 no Holocaust ect ect)!i am not going to give you a history lesson ,i have been in a war there and almost died on many occasions ,and the reason why i put down my life for isreal is quite simple ,if the shit hits the fan like in ww2 i have got some were to go !that will fight to the last man,women,child,to keep my race & religion .Hermitage alive ,i am born and bread in london but i still went and spent 3 years of my life fighting for what i believe in (unlike some armchair fighters and sudo hippys),now do not get me wrong isreal is not right all the time,and has f***ed up on many occasions ,but isreal is not the real problem in the middle east,if isreal was not there do you think there would bee peace,of course not they would be to busy killing each other as they do every day!
the vote being able to vote to have a say is everyone right come on you lot USA/great white north,is there any other country in there middle east that vote there government in ,in fair regulated manner,i can not think of one,
let put it in another way if every country north/south of the USA decided to push all us citizens into the sea ,and kill everyone,they would sit there and take it !i am sure you would sit there and let them do it,you would get your gun and fight
getting back to whatever his name is? leader of Iran with his oil money he is able to finance terrorism all over the world,there is a lot of evidence to back this up find it your self then you mite believe it !every bit of terrorism done in the last 15 years in all our country's has irans fingerprints all over it even the twin twrs,every dodgy deed
yasser Arafat great leader savor of his people what s**t how many millions were found in his accounts after he died wile his people had nothing,the ECC HAVE stopped all money going in there,why the people are not getting it ,like in most Arab states the people in charge treat there man,women,children like dogs ,cannon fodder ,we could get into isreal did this isreal did that,and i could say Arabs did this the Arabs did that but what difference would it make ,the answer to the middle east problem is , i have not got a clue ,but blaming isreal for everything is not the solve the problem! try pointing your finger at ALL THE bad people not just the usual scape goats
otb

I don't condone Iran's presidents remarks. My opinion and feeling is that the US should give Israel land. But what is currently happening now in the middle east may be looked backed, in the future, as another "Crusade: Christianity vs. Islam". I don't believe there will be peace if Israel were to be relocated. I think it might turn into a Persians vs. Arab conflict. The crisis in the middle east is just one of many in the area; i.e. Pakistan/India, Kurds/Turkey, Russia/Georgia, etc...The only reason why this seems most important is because our country and citizens believe it so.
I know that Israel isn't perfect. I recently watched a documentary on DVD, still looking for the title, which a reporter was going to live in both Palestine and Israel. Eventually, as shown on the DVD, the reporter along with the cameraman come out of the building, ID themselves repeatedly as reporters, a shot is fired from the Israeli tank (private militia in one of the towns), and the reporter is dead. Reality check.

kailiwela44

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War is wrong.

War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

No matter why one thinks one is fighting, it is never quite so. Just check with history. There are no "rose colored glass'" here sir, I posted the vid. to make us think about the lies we are handed.

Here is the true problem with the world, the root of all our calamity;


Smart people are vastly outnumbered by average people.
Its the nature of the bell curve

The distribution of IQ scores is as follows:

• 50% of IQ scores fall between 90 and 110
• 70% of IQ scores fall between 85 and 115
• 95% of IQ scores fall between 70 and 130
• 99.5% of IQ scores fall between 60 and 140
• A score of 132 equals the top 2%
• A score of 134 equals the top 1%
• A score of 68 equals the bottom 2%
• A score of 66 equals the bottom 1%

In order to establish a baseline knowledge, IQ (intelligence quotient) is a score derived from attempting to measure the actual mental horsepower of any given individual.

The “average” IQ is by definition 100, so if you score below that you are dumber than average, and above it means smarter than average.

My point? Only to show we are governed in mediocrocy.


For everything you have missed, you have gained something else, and for everything you gain, you lose something else. It is not our fault when we are lied to; but then, what's that saying from star trek lol : "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me". Or maybe Bush said it better.

Think about it; I mean It'll be a great day when education gets all the money it wants and the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy bombers.

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there are an infinite amount of "facts" just as there are an infinite number of interpretation of the facts

and it may also be that there are no moral phenomenon, only the moral interpretation of phenomenon.

though some may be ignorant relative to someone else...in the vast scheme all are pretty ignorant (of course including myself)

looks to me that we have once again devolved into sides on this discussion...without anyone showing much evolution of their view

How can we (on earth or GP) have discussion that do not result in a hardening of postions but a healthy evolution of position?

The horrible and wonderful things about Isreal and Iran are both undeniably true
and our own contry's role in destroying a thriving demoncracy in Iran durring the 50's and installing a peacock throne is also well documented.

Average folks want food, security, and chance at happiness for them and their children, a sense that justice (for all?) is being pursued - when any group is left generation after generation (and this seems to apply very well to palestinians and jews) with sense that justice has been denied - then violence begins to make good sense

can we have a more helpful dialogue...assuming everyone wants to increase peace love and understanding

passion, compassion, green passion, green compassion

let the talking heads on TV argue....let us attempt dialogue....listening

does this make anysense to anyone else or am I just uncomfortable with conflict?

Personaly, I like this "bantering" of the issues...shows a diverse point of view. Its better than the brainwashing tv and I don't get the diversity in my social realm. I've just now got a continually enlightened view of Israel, middle east and America's hand in it all. As long as it doesn't get to "nasty"...well then its just becomes not intelligent. But, that leads to a diverse set of limitation of "nasty". I guess that's why there is a "Enter @ your own risk" written under the forum header. And it just may make someone, just surfing the internet, find this (or any other thread), and actually start thinking of these issues. And maybe they/we will start a attempt to help to fix the issues. And maybe in time we will get some results.

Peace.

excellent points Meigs....sometimes I mistake my fear of conflict as something more noble. Perhaps the heat of the politics forum is too much for me. and if you can't stand the heat......

one toke,

if i in any way insulted you as a jew, i sincerely take it back, but i hate being fed bullshit. fact is that everyday people that just want to get on with their lives are being manipulated. what i think willtrib wanted was for us to see that we are being fed bullshit by the media. the fact that whatsisname is a piece of shit is irefutable. but the media should never feed us lies just so we hate a scumbag like him even further. what i hate even further is when normal guys like me and you (not politition) try to throw sand in my eyes and feed me further bullsht

like this redneck texan i met once in brasil told me america was fighting for my freedom, i asked him exacty who or what i was being freed from and he gave me the standard textbook crap that the media had infated his head with...

i know enough about israeli history to know that it wasnt a wastland that was there for the taking. people lived there, people got thrown out, removed, resettled so that poles, russians and whathaveyou (jews) could invent a new state - the promissed land?. what i find is wrong in this picture is that the ruling nations didnt give up a piece of their own land for this purpose. but rather chose a not too friendly piece of 'wasteland'.

a state should have no hand in religion. a state should have enough on its hands.
now the scenario is pretty ****ed up from whatever angle you look at it. yes arabs ahve always waged war on one another, its a historical fact. ever since man has settled the fertile crescent. war is as human as love. just like the afghans will go back to fighting one another once america pulls out, its what the do, they probably enjoy it as much as i enjoy fishing. but that doesnt make history right.

i have no idea what a good solution for all parties is. but when i go fishing and the lines get tangled up you get out you knife and cut the line to start again.
its also a fact that there have always been jews in the middle east. they were until very recently a religious arab minority there. as they were a religious polish/german/russian/whatever nationality minority. (correct me if im wrong here, this is what ive been taught).

the solution should be, leave em all alone to settle their own disputes now that its begun. and accept it however it turns out. like kids having a brawl. but stay out of it so as no-one looses face.
because whats really bad is the manipulation of the media on both sides. it feeds the hate
and yeh, maybe iran does help the palestinians and other arabs in their fight against israel, but hey, america also sent the afghans weapons when the russians were there and the russians sent the vietnamese weapons when america was there... its just another local power base trying to influence the outcome for its own benefit... divide and conquer.

- exactly here in lies the rub; this is what they use against us all, the world over. & from with in the education system, from the tele, ect, "they" have made it easier for them selves. That is the intent of my IQ post. I did not intend it to be insulting to OTD.

I feel dialogue is exactly what we a building here

Conflict "As long as it doesn't get to "nasty"" as Meigs said, conflict as in a mental struggle resulting from divergent ideas. Is a good thing.

And I believe you are contributing noble thoughts as it were, & should continue to 'brave the heat' lol

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