Translate GreenPassion (powered by Google) | Spirituality, Sexuality and Relationships Free, open discussion about the nature of things. | 
10-03-2009, 08:42 AM
|  | Has many harvests | | Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,109
Thanks: 780 Thanked 1,235 Times in 619 Posts
Rep Power: 162 | | How to cope with someone else's religion you know is wrong.
How to cope with someone else's religion you know is wrong.
As there are many country's with there own way of ruling and beliefs so for religion.
It's very hard to cope with people around you that wash over you with there influence and judgmental stare when you know way past your heart there flipping whacked.
Just how do you bite your tongue and yet let the dip sticks go on.
I want to got on the roof tops and scream.
I sincerely believe that we would all be better of without politics and religion, that ironically are both manipulative and controlling.
There's nothing that locks my jaw when someone that's way the hell off and pious at the same time , insane.
If country's can be run wrong for the people so can religions.
Last edited by pine boy; 10-04-2009 at 07:16 AM.
| | The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Lumix For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 08:52 AM
|  | StONeD iLeSO | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: on a rock floating in space
Posts: 4,514
Thanks: 412 Thanked 2,954 Times in 1,772 Posts
Rep Power: 460 | | Quote: |
How to cope with someone else's religion you know is wrong.
| its not that someone elses religion is wrong and yours is more right, its that the whole notion of religion is flawed from the word go.
__________________ ONCE YOU GO SATIVA YOU NEVER LOOK BACK | | The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to ileso For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 08:53 AM
|  | Bridge Builder | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Home of the Polite, aiy!
Posts: 12,828
Thanks: 14,574 Thanked 10,610 Times in 5,391 Posts
Rep Power: 500 | |
One of my friends one time had something to tell me. I did not here her at first when she said what she had to say to me. I thought she had said she was born again. I could not understand how this smart woman could go that way....but no, I had heard her wrong. What she truly was saying was that she was gay. That I could understand and accept for her, but not the born again thing.....Is it me being strange that would rather see a friend gay than finding religion ? It just seems a more honest revelation. And one I can relate to more, than religion. My religion is spiritual more than church.
So I get it Lumix.
Peace
| | The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to jangel For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 08:57 AM
|  | StONeD iLeSO | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: on a rock floating in space
Posts: 4,514
Thanks: 412 Thanked 2,954 Times in 1,772 Posts
Rep Power: 460 | |
how about culture instead of religion? after all aside from that god thing all religions have the being a good honest person in comon.
__________________ ONCE YOU GO SATIVA YOU NEVER LOOK BACK | | The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ileso For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 11:54 AM
| | Tokin & smokin | | Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 67
Thanks: 82 Thanked 82 Times in 39 Posts
Rep Power: 23 | |
I feel organized religion and spirituality are separated by $$$$$$$$$$. On the other hand organized religion has fed, housed, clothed and helped more people of less resources than any other group throughout history.
It is not my place to decide what is right or wrong for any person other than myself. I can choose to separate myself and not be concerned and not look back. I can only speak from my experience, when the majority of humans are facing death or tragedy the first thing we hear is "God help me" or something to the sort. This is not a opinion more so a fact from my eyes. Curious human nature if nothing else. I will choose spirituality with no rules or laws, only with self imposed actions, beliefs that fit my morals and own self respect, determined by my past, present & soul. Until I know all about the unknown I will not judge or belittle, respect or disrespect a persons core values. I will choose to have free will and prefer to allow each to self regulate until deemed unable.
| | The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Kuro For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 12:58 PM
|  | Bridge Builder | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Home of the Polite, aiy!
Posts: 12,828
Thanks: 14,574 Thanked 10,610 Times in 5,391 Posts
Rep Power: 500 | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuro I feel organized religion and spirituality are separated by $$$$$$$$$$. On the other hand organized religion has fed, housed, clothed and helped more people of less resources than any other group throughout history.
It is not my place to decide what is right or wrong for any person other than myself. I can choose to separate myself and not be concerned and not look back. I can only speak from my experience, when the majority of humans are facing death or tragedy the first thing we hear is "God help me" or something to the sort. This is not a opinion more so a fact from my eyes. Curious human nature if nothing else. I will choose spirituality with no rules or laws, only with self imposed actions, beliefs that fit my morals and own self respect, determined by my past, present & soul. Until I know all about the unknown I will not judge or belittle, respect or disrespect a persons core values. I will choose to have free will and prefer to allow each to self regulate until deemed unable. | Very well said...I mirror your feelings. I know, it truly has upset me to here of one person in particular "Being born again" on their death bed. This really bothers me, as this person did many evil things in their life. To think that, at a time of convenience for them, they can receive "dispensation" for all their past ill behavior, truly bothers me down to my core.
All I know is that I try to do every day, in every way, something that will not bother my conscience and gives me comfort in doing no harm, but helping the world in some way. To think, before harsh words are said, and to behave in a moral way I can live with. Without feeling that I have done wrong.
Religious I am not, per say, but I believe in a Higher Power. And I also have an opinion on what is right and what is wrong. And if we all just do what we feel is right, then we can find comfort in that, and know on our death beds we will not have to make a deal with God for our past behavior. Because we have done what we thought was right, and tried our best. That is all we as Human beings CAN DO.
Peace
| | The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to jangel For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 01:05 PM
|  | Renegade Masta | | Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 163
Thanks: 75 Thanked 255 Times in 113 Posts
Rep Power: 36 | |
Wrong or Right... Religion is the opium of the masses - Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo. - MARX
__________________
Spank You,
JohnnyBoy928 I ❤ 'The Pot' | | The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to JohnnyBoy928 For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 01:23 PM
| | The HSIC | | Join Date: Dec 1969
Posts: 4,029
Thanks: 0 Thanked 4,294,967,295 Times in 4,294,967,295 Posts
Rep Power: 2340 | |
Religion that is wrong? They are all wrong.
Biggest waste of resources, time and lives
this planet has ever seen.
You want hope? buy a lotto ticket.
| 
10-03-2009, 01:50 PM
|  | Has many harvests | | Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,109
Thanks: 780 Thanked 1,235 Times in 619 Posts
Rep Power: 162 | | What pushed me to write this is my mistake of moving to the Utah because the homes here are a little cheaper. I now know if someone claims there state has a low coast of living get ready that the wages are lower too. Even with California’s hard times the work I do, there is STILL more work in California for me there! I can be confident that Utah will be the last state to ever legalize cannabis with the Mormons influence in politics. They claim they separate the two but it is an old lie, just look how they put there nose into California’s initiatives. California residents have started a boycott of Utah because they can’t keep there nose out of it and it has hurt the state tourism. It’s hurt the state to the point that they finally changed the stupid law that you have to have a membership to go into a bars. LOL! I remember having a good time out for dinner with a few beers and got this disapproving look from these button down squirrels, this dude across the way that didn’t like they we where happy and laughing. I’ve had it and said “what the fk are you looking at”? as he turned away in he little prosaic world, yea the biggest state in the abuse of prosaic. Consider if the Mormons are so family orientated why is the biggest texting state while driving and has never changed the law? Hell even liberal California is better at keeping us safe over the dangerous drivers here on there phones where I recently lost a friend The ACLU fought for the freedom of blacks since 1960 and it took the Mormon’s till 1978 to accept blacks as member of the church. Certainly if the Mormon where on top of sh*t they would be ahead of the government in the enlightenment that all men are equal? When I moved here I got the hardy hand shake, flowed by “are you a Mormon?” once they know you’re an outsider your toast in being part of there circle. Fine with me, I put a infrared sensor water sprinkler at my front door for the Mormons when they try to wake me up on a Saturday morning and once they get baptized they don’t come back Considering my grow I have it’s a good thing now they don’t come to my door LOL! What’s the most mind blowing part about it is that there so dam off and so arrogate that they have the god Market cornered. It’s like the story of the King that’s naked and everyone knows but him. Once I can get back a little above what I bought my house for here, it’s back to California where most of my family is anyway, why did I leave? | | The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Lumix For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 02:17 PM
|  | FRAUDULENT CANCER PATIENT! | | Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Who Knows
Posts: 1,771
Thanks: 1,017 Thanked 1,557 Times in 702 Posts
Rep Power: 0 | | We all have our own opinions and feelings regarding Religion/Faith. None of it really matters as long as you have Faith in YOURSELF. Your higher power can be a dam garbage can if you choose. Anything that soothes your Heart and establishes your own Serenity, and inner peace is what I consider a "higher power" I believe in myself and God just shows me the way. JMHO Peace and Blessings, Med
__________________ | | The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to medicinecloset For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 07:18 PM
|  | aka Pappy | | Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In my very own home
Posts: 298
Thanks: 234 Thanked 578 Times in 199 Posts
Rep Power: 53 | |
As soon as any belief system acquires a name, it becomes suspect.
__________________
Charlie All I Really Need To Know,
I Learned In Kindergarten | | The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Charlie Foxtrot For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 08:33 PM
|  | GP Design Team | | Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Amerika
Posts: 1,065
Thanks: 1,683 Thanked 1,454 Times in 672 Posts
Rep Power: 117 | |
any religion, new or ancient, can not be tolerated if it permits, accepts or encourages violence, harm, ill will, malice or any unjust and inhumane actions towards themselves, their families or any member(s) society. period.
edit: this would also include those that say it is done in God's name. which is rather presumptuous in my opinion.
__________________  "Protect the children of the poor, punish the wrongdoer." "Why am I a vigilante? Because the system is f**ked."
Last edited by Sprocket; 10-04-2009 at 11:12 PM.
| | The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Sprocket For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 08:46 PM
|  | StONeD iLeSO | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: on a rock floating in space
Posts: 4,514
Thanks: 412 Thanked 2,954 Times in 1,772 Posts
Rep Power: 460 | |
I know no religion that does that. i do know a number of distinct cultures though that seem to be all about just that.
__________________ ONCE YOU GO SATIVA YOU NEVER LOOK BACK | | The Following User Says Thank You to ileso For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 09:47 PM
|  | Peji Master | | Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 790
Thanks: 724 Thanked 820 Times in 426 Posts
Rep Power: 102 | |
The problem with religions is they are run by man and not God. Jesus didn't come to start a religion He came to teach all of us to love one another and to stop acting in ways that wind up harming ourselves and others. I'm a Christian but I am not a mainstream Christian. Mainstream Christianity is all about judgment, self-deception and following some "man" standing atop a pulpit (pulled into the pit, i.e., pulpit!).
Religion is a mechanism of control (if we're defining religion as being something man perverted and we are differentiating it from Scripture and History) and for all the good it has done it has also caused a hell of a lot of evil. I'm specifically speaking about the Catholic Church or the Vatican (not the everyday Catholic living down the street from you). Most people don't realize that the Vatican/Catholic Church is not a "Christian" institution at all. It might sound hard to believe and understand at first but I've been researching the Catholic church for years.
And just for the record, the Protestants (mainstream) are in the same boat nowadays. The only thing you find in abundance in organized religion is strife, money and corruption, at least in my opinion, be it Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc. When you turn something spiritual into something temporal nothing but bad can come of it.
-the Corsican.
| | The Following User Says Thank You to The Corsican For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 10:21 PM
|  | StONeD iLeSO | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: on a rock floating in space
Posts: 4,514
Thanks: 412 Thanked 2,954 Times in 1,772 Posts
Rep Power: 460 | | Quote: |
On the other hand organized religion has fed, housed, clothed and helped more people of less resources than any other group throughout history
| yep they sure know how to market the product...
there has to be a distinction made between real spirituality and religion.
how i do wish for the old days of paganism when there were as many gods and belief systems as there were people... and it was almost all good. (there will always exist twisted people)
__________________ ONCE YOU GO SATIVA YOU NEVER LOOK BACK | | The Following User Says Thank You to ileso For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 10:28 PM
|  | Peji Master | | Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 790
Thanks: 724 Thanked 820 Times in 426 Posts
Rep Power: 102 | |
Hmm...
How do you figure it was "all good"?
I just mentioned throwing children into burning fires because of pagan beliefs. There's a long list of similar atrocities all the way around, regardless if people believe in polytheism or monotheism or whatever else.
-the Corsican.
| | The Following User Says Thank You to The Corsican For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 10:41 PM
|  | Has many harvests | | Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,109
Thanks: 780 Thanked 1,235 Times in 619 Posts
Rep Power: 162 | | someesles How to cope with someone else's religion you know is wrong
Will some nice monitor correct my title spelling I'm so ashamed | 
10-03-2009, 11:29 PM
|  | StONeD iLeSO | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: on a rock floating in space
Posts: 4,514
Thanks: 412 Thanked 2,954 Times in 1,772 Posts
Rep Power: 460 | |
i did say 'almost' all good... heheh
well it was all good because there wasnt any officially sponsored religion ... it was personal. spirituality is something inside you that you feel it shouldnt be a team you belong to which is how i see religion.
__________________ ONCE YOU GO SATIVA YOU NEVER LOOK BACK | | The Following User Says Thank You to ileso For This Useful Post: | | 
10-03-2009, 11:45 PM
|  | Peji Master | | Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 790
Thanks: 724 Thanked 820 Times in 426 Posts
Rep Power: 102 | |
I can dig that.
It's the priesthood or priestcraft that causes all the division and trouble. We're neck deep in their crap right now. Hmmm...I understand where you are coming from but again, it's about truth. There are truths that transcend religions no doubt but adhering to spiritual beliefs that we can reasonably show to be true isn't a bad thing. The bad thing always comes in when a priesthood is created. Once a rigid hierarchy is established then it's game over. I don't think we're so far apart in our thinking. We might express what we believe differently but we're basically on the same page, granted there are differences. We all learn at different paces and go through different experiences. You might have the truth in one area and I might have it in another but neither is better or superior than the other.
-the Corsican.
| 
10-03-2009, 11:50 PM
|  | you say I can't do what,, Ha! | | Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Somewere in Northern NewEnland, USA
Posts: 2,139
Thanks: 3,739 Thanked 2,601 Times in 1,266 Posts
Rep Power: 216 | | I am a spiritual person who just so happens to call her higher power God. I would say calling my higher power God is somewhat because that is what we have heard from the time we were very young, I don't know what my higher power looks like if this thing I feel even has a look, It is something I feel inside of me, It is that gut feeling that leads me to be an honest and caring person to myself and others. I don't believe at all in religions so when a so called christian imposes their beliefs on what the world or I should do and say, well I walk away. They are not worth my time, it is not up to me to change them anymore then they should try and change me. This reminds me of something that happened recently while visiting a friend. A relative of theirs showed up with their kids, Right from the very start I could feel something about them that made me a bit uncomfortable. Well as we all were having conversation somehow Halloween came up. I said something to one of the kids about this trick or treat thing that kids grow up doing each year, Well you would of thought I had mentioned the devil. The parents looked at me in a a so called unchristian way and said,, any good person, any good christian would have nothing to do with Halloween, I thought, Oh Man Here We Go, The way they approached me with their looks and tone of voice was not what their bible or church is made out to be,, Good christians my ass, When one tells another they are horrible because they don't believe in what they think is right, Well that is just wrong in my opinion, When someone thinks they are better then the next person because they are not like you Well that is wrong in my book. If you pay attention to that gut feeling that tells you when things are not kind and caring in your world today, it is then you hopefully do what you know is right. Do unto others as you would have done to you. It is so friggen simple. I would not impose my spirituality on anyone anymore then I would expect them to push there religion on me. I feel very fortunate to have the spirituality I have inside of me, To each his own I say as long as they don't hurt others or critisize, which is what a lot of so called christians do. So unless I have to protect myself from them then I just don't waste my time and energy. Hate takes too much away from my inner soul.... .
__________________
You can't always get what you want,
But if you try sometime you just might find,
YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED | | The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Deb-HAS-grn For This Useful Post: | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:17 PM. |