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I find my self asking and wondering about God and all the different religions. I think I'm Christian but what if I'm wrong. How do we know which religion is right? I have never seen God, touched or talked to him. But I truly believe he is there. I felt his presents once but not quite sure if it was. I pray every night or a least try to. What if all the religions are all the same. Like a muslim told me once "there is only one God". I believe all religions hold a common ground though which is to do right in the world. There has to be a God? I just don't believe in the whole big bang theory. I feel afraid for my soul and try to release my worries to God in prayer and thank him.
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Only God promises salvation and eternal life.The other side of the coin is damnation,death and fire.Altho I like to be warm,its all about Godliness and goodness for me.I really dont know what to think of religion.
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I believe in God. I believe in the teachings of the bible. Not so believable is the interpretation of the bible by various denominations. Given churches are "clicky". There seems to be a lot of judgment and hypocrisy flying around society these days...it speaks a lot of this in the bible. I don’t know...I feel we have left some morals and ethics in the past. A lot of us take for granite that no day is promised to us.

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it was once said! "sin conceinceness is parent of all religions" the phone directory has pages full of different churches and denominations & beliefs! there may be a vast variety of religions but for me there is but one God! I try to put my faith in him! don't always do that tho!
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All we know about "God" is what some power hungry people have told us to believe. Several thousand years of brainwashing, threats, torture, and outright executions have made many firm believers of otherwise rational, thinking people.

In my extremely humble opinion, there is only one statement in the Bible (New Testament) that should be taken as a commandment. When Jesus was asked, "Of all the Commandments, which is the most important?" He replied, "...Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these."

IMHO, the second is the only thing we really need to learn. We do this, and everything else will fall into place.

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I believe what is in the bible is pretty much right on. Too bad there aren't any Churches out there that believe it, because I read the bible and what they teach I can't find in the scriptures. Like going to church on Sunday and the rapture. Sorry folks... just not in there.
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I believe what is in the bible is pretty much right on. Too bad there aren't any Churches out there that believe it, because I read the bible and what they teach I can't find in the scriptures. Like going to church on Sunday and the rapture. Sorry folks... just not in there.
Isn't going to church on sunday in the book of revelations?
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I think the Good Book says; 6 days shalt thou labor and do all thy work, and on the 7th day rest and worship God. If you look at a calendar the 7th day is Saturday, Not Sunday. Hmmmm
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I find my self asking and wondering about God and all the different religions. I think I'm Christian but what if I'm wrong. How do we know which religion is right? I have never seen God, touched or talked to him. But I truly believe he is there. I felt his presents once but not quite sure if it was. I pray every night or a least try to. What if all the religions are all the same. Like a muslim told me once "there is only one God". I believe all religions hold a common ground though which is to do right in the world. There has to be a God? I just don't believe in the whole big bang theory. I feel afraid for my soul and try to release my worries to God in prayer and thank him.
I have some notions about God that I find reasonable and comforting

1. whatever god may be....it/he/she must be far beyond our ability to fully understand. Hense any religion is bound to be a metaphore for god
god as father
god as mother
god as the nothing from which matter emerges
god as what is best in man
god as what man hopes to be
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so any conception of god that is helpful to you and leads you towards a path you feel good about is just fine

2. there is a common ground of religions though seldom emphasized by people with in a religion....look up perenial wisdom and you will find alot has been already written about it.

3. If there is a god, and that god judges you, and that god grants eternal life (or not) then all you can do is to use your heart and mind to the best of your ability to figure out what that god wants from you, or for you. Any god that would punish you for making that effort rather than excepting a religion on faith seems to be a god not worth worshiping eternal life or not.

4. After 4 decades of being a serious seeker....Anyone or any group that claims to have "the answer" is in it to garner power, money, control, or at best to put to rest the part of us that always wonders and is in awe of the mystery

Relax and keep serching, but paths that lead to compassion, acceptance, peace, spiritual growth are a good bet

paths that lead to egotism, separatism, prejudice, dogmatism are pretty safe bets for b.s. religion mascaurading as spirituality

if there is a god I pretty sure she loves you and wants you to fulfill your potential and not be filled with anxiety about death heaven and hell....

just my 2 cents from a spritual guy that tends towds aganosticism but isn't even sure about that...why....every time I think I really know something....experience changes my understanding....I'm pretty clear that everyone's understanding is like that....a guess, a metaphor, a poem, a map.....but not the reality to which the understanding refers....religion is the map not the country....so just use the map that is most practical or use several maps


I have found aspect of christianity, judiasm, hinduism, buddhism, taoism, confusionism, and pagan practices all helpful in growing towards union with the godhead

sorry for the long reply, but I think about this stuff all the time.
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So do I.

Well put, scotty.

That pretty much covers it, for me. Thanks.

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Isn't going to church on sunday in the book of revelations?
I've never seen it. If you find it let me know. The origin of Sunday worship is a sun god thing. It's part of the lie attempting to hide the truth. It has nothing to do with the bible or the things concerning Christian faith. The true Christian faith has been clouded by false teachings perpetuated by a counterfeit religion. I realize this statement sounds like a goof ball nut bag idea... Keep in mind the lie has been perpetuated for centuries, long before any of us were alive. To find the truth you have to dig... and dig hard. It's not easy wading through centuries of lies and misinterpretations to find the truth... but it is possible.
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I've never seen it. If you find it let me know. The origin of Sunday worship is a sun god thing. It's part of the lie attempting to hide the truth. It has nothing to do with the bible or the things concerning Christian faith. The true Christian faith has been clouded by false teachings perpetuated by a counterfeit religion. I realize this statement sounds like a goof ball nut bag idea... Keep in mind the lie has been perpetuated for centuries, long before any of us were alive. To find the truth you have to dig... and dig hard. It's not easy wading through centuries of lies and misinterpretations to find the truth... but it is possible.
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there are only a few comandments or teaching i live by.
1. the golden rule
2. if you had to earn every sunrise you would never take another day for granted
3. right and wrong are all in the eyes of the beholder
4. god exists god is benevolent god beleives in darwinism. if you question me on this i will point out a proverb the bible tells us. i will help those who help themselves.
5. there is no heaven there is no hell there is a disappiation of the soul combineing with the cosmos.

these are the things ive come to beleive.
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sorry it was a sad attempt at a joke....damn pot! (goes on an FTZ tirade on how pot ruined me)
Been there done that!

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First off, You should go to a church on Sunday/sunday night, and after the service , go ask the preacher to answer a few questions, ur not sure about, HE WILL BE MORE THEN GLAD!!
Also, Our relationship with GOD is PERSONAL. we walk as close to God as we WANT to,
God doesnt make us do anything, he lets us make our own decision's, so being a Christian is UP TO YOU. its a everyday thing, not just a dab here & there , or when ur sick, or need Him.

What is a Relationship without Communication??

RELIGION is nothing. Religion is something you DO. Anybody can dress up on Sunday's & Weds., look nice, speak nice, act nice,Say AMEN!, Praise God, and live how you want tothe rest of the day/week.So EXCLUDE religion.You dont want that

What you want to do is get out your Bible, And Learn about Jesus, seek Jesus, pray to him,Read Book's Proverb's,Romans,John,Matthew,Corinthians, and Seek a deeper meaning then just words on the paper you read.Pray and ask God to Forgive you for your sin's and To come into your life,as your Lord & Saviour! Keep praying,never stop, YOU ONLY GET AS CLOSE TO GOD AS YOU WANT TO think about that.

Also heed,from personal experience, The Christian Life is one of the HARDEST tol ive, in this world.So dont expect God to shower you with New cars, clothes and 20 dollars in ur pocket when ur broke. It's real, and like anything & everything else,
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I Would like to rely to some other's to,if they dont mind :

HookerRoad - When he talks about coming to church, he's talking about in the Bible where i say's " Fail not to assemble yourself in the house of the Lord" or how bout' " Forsake not the gathering of our people" there's plenty references, look in the back of ur Bible, it should have a word index, &
The word Rapture is never mentioned in the bible,but the language the Bible was wrote in at that time,was in Hebrew? i think and the wod used in REVELATIONS is ACSEND UP is think, i cant quite remember if thats the right word,but rapture = to ascend up, in the language at that time it was written.

Nimb. - Your very correct, but as u should also no, That was how they kept the days/week's & time BACK THEN. Just like there language resembles nothing of our english language, thing's change, i mean Pluto isnt even a planet no more O_O lol no what im sayin? ask a preacher about it,i asked once the same question and he answered ,and showed me scripture, but i cant member, been awhile back

People you really cant believe we evolved from apes and there is no God! If WE evolved from ape's,?
Then why is there still ape's out there?? wouldnt they wanna keep evolving like us, to have a human life,instead of swingin on tree's and rolling on the ground??
Why did they stop evolving?

Mother Nature from insect's to human dna, and body, There is a INTELLIGENT DESIGN behind everything!!

or i should better say, a INTELLIGENT DESIGN-ER

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actually contro, we did not evolve from apes, apes and men evolved from the same ancestor. apes are kinda like our retarded distant cousins. but yes that is what i beleive. granted that isnt me saying theres no god. thats me saying god set forth the design and let things shape themselves.
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HookerRoad - When he talks about coming to church, he's talking about in the Bible where i say's " Fail not to assemble yourself in the house of the Lord" or how bout' " Forsake not the gathering of our people" there's plenty references, look in the back of ur Bible, it should have a word index, &
The word Rapture is never mentioned in the bible,but the language the Bible was wrote in at that time,was in Hebrew? i think and the wod used in REVELATIONS is ACSEND UP is think, i cant quite remember if thats the right word,but rapture = to ascend up, in the language at that time it was written.
Hmmmm I don't recall saying anything about NOT gathering with like minded believers. Did you read what I said or just skim over it? I said there are a lot of myths and superstitions like going to Church on Sunday... that is a sun worship thing. Perhaps I should be a little more clear... The second commandment is to rest the seventh day... Saturday... not the first day... Sunday. That's what I was talking about. There is nothing in scripture that even remotely suggests God changed his mind and decided Sunday was the day of rest. That was something some lying man came up with.

The Rapture thing? If you can't point it out in scripture you should probably leave the subject alone. Look up the parable of the wheat and the tares. The first ones to go are NOT the saints. How many times have you heard a Rapture believing Christian say, "Boy I don't want to be left behind." Well let me tell ya up front. I do!

Most of what you said I don't have a big problem with. But, I don't need to ASK any Pastor for advise or knowledge. Been there done that. I've thumped the bible enough I can chew most of 'em up and spit 'em out. Most of them don't really understand the scriptures, they are indoctrinated in a Religion that is based on Pagan lies and deceits. From X-mas to Easter (Ishtar). Amazing we celebrate the death, burial and resurrection of our savior in the name of a fertility god. How Christian is that?

Most of this is inconsequential, but it does tell me a lot about who truly understands their faith. I'm more impressed with the people that respond with things like, "just love everyone man... " This is the only thing that really matters. Most of us here are just trying to help one another in some way. I've been blessed with a lot of truth. Do I have it all... nope, but I have more than most. I understand what the beast is in the book of Revelation. I understand who the anti-Christ is. The scriptures tell us who he is. Just most choose to not believe it because it steps on their toes. Pastors can't deal with the fact their religion is the religion of devils.

I know that last statement is a tough one to swallow and no doubt almost all of you will disagree. It's not for me to worry about how you deal with the truth. Test all things and hold on to what is good. If you discount straight up everything I say without checking it out, its on you... not me.

Mogie tells me I need to hold back a bit on this stuff, its not something most people want to hear, nor are most ready to hear it. My thoughts are, if we really are in the last days December 22, 2012 is the last day (Aztec calendar), then maybe there isn't much time left to tell people what the truth is.

Crap... I was going to try to make this a short response.
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It doesn't seem long, when it makes lots of sense.

When it's all over, then, we'll know. Or not.

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hooker i agree with alot of what you say. but the aztec calender thing. im pretty sure it was written some where that on that day everything is supposed to reset itself, including the calender. but hey i might be wrong. its happened before.
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