Check your guns at the door, please... - GreenPassion.org - Dedicated to Medicinal Cannabis Cultivation and Education

Zigzagman · #1 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 09:31 AM

We, as a site had to come up with a policy on this, for our own site safety and this is what we have decided. And the combination of guns and growing marijuana goes against what we wish to establish here.

One of the biggest roadblocks we have in this fight is our link with violence and MJ. As well as any talk of this when supported by several growers, in conjunction with hurting people, could be seen as conspiracy to commit murder when done by more than one person. We cannot support this.

This being a Green Passions commitment to the legalization of marijuana without violence. Guns and marijuana don't mix so we are adopting a blanket policy...
Simply stated, going forward. Any posts containing pictures of guns/weapons will not allowed. Conversations promoting, condoning or inciting violent acts in a marijuana related thread will be removed..

jangel · #2 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 09:33 AM

Thank you zig....let us here some opinions on this members. This could be important for everyone to understand this subject.

The HSIC · #3 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 09:52 AM

Great policy! I was once on a pot board where some clown was posting pics of "his" kills. (you kow the mentality.."got *my* elk"...got *my* Deer"/ etc.)

Folks....especially those who aren't "legal", should research the added penalties that will be assessed should the Nazi=po-pop find a gun in the same location as your grow.

Along with opinion on guns/grows...I personally would like to see a "yeah" or Nay" stated by each poster as to whether or not they own a weapon and keep it close to their grow/etc.

I'll start. >>>>NAY<<<<. I have kids and kind...and neither should be around guns, IMO.

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jangel · #4 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 10:01 AM

I have many kids that come around here. Plus my beloved mother. I do not own a gun. I know my man does, but it is in pieces all over the place and has not been used in years.

I vote Nay...

Charlie Foxtrot · #5 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 10:17 AM

I do not own any firearms. I would like to have a couple of black powder muzzle-loader revolvers, rifles, or shotguns, but, I've never gotten around to purchasing them.

Interesting note:

If I want to buy a handgun, I fill out some papers and a background check is performed. After 7 days, a permit is issued or denied.

If I want to buy a black powder revolver, (36, 44, and 45 caliber), I can buy the gun, powder, caps and balls, etc., without any background check. A large caliber, black powder pistol will do just as much damage as a similar caliber cartridge weapon.

I find it strange.

kentuckyneedscompassion · #6 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 10:31 AM

I do not own a gun. There was a time in my life when I owned several handguns. AND had a CCDW permit. Then I moved from Miami FLA. and haven't felt the need to have a gun strapped to my side. lol I now live in Kentucky, and there are alot of guns here, but I just don't feel that there is so much violent crime here as there was down home.
I have a newborn daughter and don't feel she needs to be around firearms. The biggest fear I have is my biggest enemy, the police. But I don't fear them shooting me, as I wouldn't be armed if they raided my grow.
I REALLY would like to find out how to get medicinal use brought to KY. It's time.
I'm trying to provide medicine for about 100 people. I have some previous growing experience, lots of gear, and a large place to do it. Life would be so much more peaceful if I didn't have the constant fear of my door being kicked in for something that helps, not hurts.

SmokeToLive · #7 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyneedscompassion

I do not own a gun. There was a time in my life when I owned several handguns. AND had a CCDW permit. Then I moved from Miami FLA. and haven't felt the need to have a gun strapped to my side. lol I now live in Kentucky, and there are alot of guns here, but I just don't feel that there is so much violent crime here as there was down home.
I have a newborn daughter and don't feel she needs to be around firearms. The biggest fear I have is my biggest enemy, the police. But I don't fear them shooting me, as I wouldn't be armed if they raided my grow.
I REALLY would like to find out how to get medicinal use brought to KY. It's time.
I'm trying to provide medicine for about 100 people. I have some previous growing experience, lots of gear, and a large place to do it. Life would be so much more peaceful if I didn't have the constant fear of my door being kicked in for something that helps, not hurts.

The problem is, the presence or absence of guns doesn't always determine if a police officer will shoot you. (I think we've all seen enough videos at this point.) That being said, if they are busting you, the last thing you want is a gun around. Besides, how are you going to defend yourself without looking like you're defending your grow? If you shoot someone, the police show up.

Also people that have guns are more likely to use it on themselves anyway.

To get medicinal use in the south: Point out where it says it's ok to grow MJ in the bible and that white people use it too. :D

Deb-HAS-grn · #8 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 11:38 AM

The only gun I have is a bee bee gun for target shooting. If ever needed just to survive I want to know I can handle a real gun and I don't mean to protect my grow, I do not and would not combine the two. I know of some who do and that is scary, they will use it on who ever steps into their space. I owned a gun for a time many years ago, it was to protect myself and my family from someone who paid no attention to a restraining order and of course the cops were not doing their job to protect us, sometimes you have to do what you have to do to stay alive. But I have since sold the gun, I'm just not comfortable to have one in the house and I hope I never have to have one again... I know I will get some flack on this but you have to walk in a persons shoes in order to understand why.... Thank you

CAMSTER626 · #9 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 12:48 PM

I agree with the new policy 100%...Gun talk should get no play here...

With that said I own a Para Ordnance P-12...It has a trigger lock and is locked inside a small fire proof safe...I myself have been the victim of voilent crime and was shot 4 times at point blank with a 9mm while they attempted to rob me...I look at guns as I look at cops...I might not be their biggest fans...but understand the need for them.

Anyhow...Great call guys

Mr.Moonbiscuit · #10 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 01:31 PM

first of yeah i own a gun, multiple actually, i use them in hunting, i use them in just target shooting, i do not condone talks of violence using guns! but does this blanket policy include talks of hunting in the personal passions area? i understand some people are against hunting, but for others its a way of life, i dont hold anything against non hunters, im just trying to see whats up.

GreenGoblin · #11 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 02:37 PM

I own about 10 guns. I have always been around them growing up, and I don't really think that will change anytime soon. I shoot trap, skeet, and targets. I have never hunted in my life, but have no problem with people that hunt for the purpose of eating their kill. I don't care for "glory" hunters that feel the need to shoot stuff to simply hang it on their wall. I am a responsible gun owner. I keep my firearms locked and out of site. I agree that conversations regarding firearms and cannabis have no place in the same thread. To me, it is like talking about drinking and driving at the same time. The two don't mix.. If I want to talk about firearms, and my right to bear them.. I will go to another forum.

justplainbill · #12 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 03:11 PM

I had a gun in my hand, and my life on the line for us to be able to do all of this and I reserve the right to speak my peace no matter what. Uncle Sam gave me my first gun and he stuck a joint in my mouth too. I will decease speaking about guns here, but I have them and will use them without a second thought.

jangel · #13 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 03:56 PM

DO NOT take this policy as a judgement against anyone that has or uses guns. We are not meaning that. There are many fine lines that we find we must define and deal with, in owning this site and administrating it. We at times have to decide how to deal with things, in the bigger picture and these subjects are talked about and discussed before they are brought to the members attention.

We have primary goals here, to work and succeed at LEGALIZATION for our herb. To do this, we must be seen as not PART of the problem But the SOLUTION to the problem. It can at times be like walking a sword edge and this is something we are very conscious of. Many subjects we come up against, have to have this type of judgement call to keep us able to operate as a site and not be seen as a threat, internationally or locally. This is one of those subjects and taking this position we hope to make it understood that guns are not needed to do this. Nor are they recommended either. This is for the good of all here, as we must not seem to be in anyway promoting or supporting anyone harming another human being. This more than anything COULD harm our site and our cause.

We are not talking of war here. Nor are we denying those that feel it is their right to bare arms. That is your choice. We simply feel that it is not right here, as there are indeed other places to discuss this. We must not dilute what we are truly about, and that is legalizing cannabis, and not guns.

Peace

GreenGoblin · #14 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 04:15 PM

Personally, I didn't take offense to it. I understand that the site is largely a medical and legalization community, and pictures with currently "illegal" substances along with firearms can send the wrong message compared with what the site is trying to promote.

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Originally Posted by jangel

DO NOT take this policy as a judgement against anyone that has or uses guns. We are not meaning that. There are many fine lines that we find we must define and deal with, in owning this site and administrating it. We at times have to decide how to deal with things, in the bigger picture and these subjects are talked about and discussed before they are brought to the members attention.

We have primary goals here, to work and succeed at LEGALIZATION for our herb. To do this, we must be seen as not PART of the problem But the SOLUTION to the problem. It can at times be like walking a sword edge and this is something we are very conscious of. Many subjects we come up against, have to have this type of judgement call to keep us able to operate as a site and not be seen as a threat, internationally or locally. This is one of those subjects and taking this position we hope to make it understood that guns are not needed to do this. Nor are they recommended either. This is for the good of all here, as we must not seem to be in anyway promoting or supporting anyone harming another human being. This more than anything COULD harm our site and our cause.

We are not talking of war here. Nor are we denying those that feel it is their right to bare arms. That is your choice. We simply feel that it is not right here, as there are indeed other places to discuss this. We must not dilute what we are truly about, and that is legalizing cannabis, and not guns.

Peace

justplainbill · #15 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 05:09 PM

I am ok with it. just bein me.

Pepe` · #16 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 05:35 PM

ok... just some more input and nagging question I've had, as this may be my last opportunity to ask about the combination.

1. I agree completely that anyone not authorized by their state to use medical marijuana should not be pushing their luck or the communities luck, by promoting acts of violence in association with production or use of a currently illegal substance. This is regardless of the weapon of your choice... IMO.

2. A very big BUT... I have many questions regarding my rights as a law abiding citizen who has been around guns and gun safety all of my life. As a medical marijuana patient and provider, I consider my home "at risk" for break-in and mmj theft.
I keep my provider activities to myself to avoid increasing the risk regarding LEO and Crackheads, both are equal to thieves, IME. My mmj and my home protection are stored in different, unrelated areas of my home and both are out of the view of the casual guest in my home.
In my life, I've had more than a few guns pointed at me, by leo and by criminals. I've been fortunate enough to avoid getting shot in either instance. I used to have a CWP in the state of Idaho, but never renewed when I moved to my legal mmj state. I used to carry regularly and I am a strong believer in the right to keep and bare arms, on the basis of home/self protection alone. I hunt occasionally with a disabled tag, I believe in eating what you kill and see no justification for the "sport" kill. I greatly enjoy target practice, when I can afford the spare ammunition.

So... there's a conversation I'd like to have at some point here, but I'm now unsure if this would be deleted or removed or worse, that I would make a post that would disrupt the community, upset the staff/ownership/members/etc. if I were to ask about the fine line regarding gun ownership for home protection and LEGAL, medical marijuana production.
Most of us have seen or heard the horror stories of the family grower who got broken into and thier kid beat to death, and the father killing one of the offenders. This is a very real subject and one that does deserve attention, IMHO.

So... what of it, would I be crossing the line? I wouldn't think the topic goes against your concerns here or the spirit of your new policy... but what one person see's as unrelated and intelligent debate, others can see as making trouble and promoting unwelcome thoughts, ideas and/or opinions.

It is not my intent to take the subject here off topic, so much as verify a topic that's been on my mind for some time, but I've been waiting for the right opportunity to discuss freely and openly here.

Oh yea... for windowpane, "YEA and VERILY!!!" I do own 1 pistol and a few different rifles. They are stored under lock and key, away from where I produce and use my medicine though... so that would be a "NAY and No WAY".
So... I'm not exactly sure how to answer your question within the confines of how it was phrased.

Team42 · #17 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 05:49 PM

We cannot allow our main goal, to free cannabis to be lumped together with all the other illegal substances. Guns will do exactly that. marijuana needs to stay off guns. By the way I do own guns, but dont feel the need to talk about it. strong silence is the key.

Deb-HAS-grn · #18 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepe`

if I were to ask about the fine line regarding gun ownership for home protection and LEGAL, medical marijuana production.
Most of us have seen or heard the horror stories of the family grower who got broken into and thier kid beat to death, and the father killing one of the offenders. This is a very real subject and one that does deserve attention, IMHO.

You do bring it to our attention as it should be,, There will be times and news story's we will talk about, it hits ya hard when you hear of a fellow supporter and grower of mmj just trying to fill his needs, then to have your whole life maybe taken away. Something needs to change and that is why we continue to work together, to try and make a better life for those of us who have no choice but to live an isolated life if you want a chance at all. It is scary thinking of what most growers have to do to protect their property and how much of their time is spent protecting what you have, at one point its 24/7 for weeks...So yes there is a connection here even if we don't want there to be. So were do you draw the line. Common sence you would think would be the way but ones common sence may be different then anothers....

jangel · #19 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepe`

ok... just some more input and nagging question I've had, as this may be my last opportunity to ask about the combination.

1. I agree completely that anyone not authorized by their state to use medical marijuana should not be pushing their luck or the communities luck, by promoting acts of violence in association with production or use of a currently illegal substance. This is regardless of the weapon of your choice... IMO.

2. A very big BUT... I have many questions regarding my rights as a law abiding citizen who has been around guns and gun safety all of my life. As a medical marijuana patient and provider, I consider my home "at risk" for break-in and mmj theft.
I keep my provider activities to myself to avoid increasing the risk regarding LEO and Crackheads, both are equal to thieves, IME. My mmj and my home protection are stored in different, unrelated areas of my home and both are out of the view of the casual guest in my home.
In my life, I've had more than a few guns pointed at me, by leo and by criminals. I've been fortunate enough to avoid getting shot in either instance. I used to have a CWP in the state of Idaho, but never renewed when I moved to my legal mmj state. I used to carry regularly and I am a strong believer in the right to keep and bare arms, on the basis of home/self protection alone. I hunt occasionally with a disabled tag, I believe in eating what you kill and see no justification for the "sport" kill. I greatly enjoy target practice, when I can afford the spare ammunition.

So... there's a conversation I'd like to have at some point here, but I'm now unsure if this would be deleted or removed or worse, that I would make a post that would disrupt the community, upset the staff/ownership/members/etc. if I were to ask about the fine line regarding gun ownership for home protection and LEGAL, medical marijuana production.
Most of us have seen or heard the horror stories of the family grower who got broken into and thier kid beat to death, and the father killing one of the offenders. This is a very real subject and one that does deserve attention, IMHO.

So... what of it, would I be crossing the line? I wouldn't think the topic goes against your concerns here or the spirit of your new policy... but what one person see's as unrelated and intelligent debate, others can see as making trouble and promoting unwelcome thoughts, ideas and/or opinions.

It is not my intent to take the subject here off topic, so much as verify a topic that's been on my mind for some time, but I've been waiting for the right opportunity to discuss freely and openly here.

Oh yea... for windowpane, "YEA and VERILY!!!" I do own 1 pistol and a few different rifles. They are stored under lock and key, away from where I produce and use my medicine though... so that would be a "NAY and No WAY".
So... I'm not exactly sure how to answer your question within the confines of how it was phrased.

I have nothing against a debate of this sort, discussing things in this fashion. What bothers me is when you see pics of guns lumped into a grow room and the two are viewed as necessary together. This we cannot promote or allow.

You have a valid point, and there are places on this forum for even this type of discussion. In the political forum it is quite often discussed, as rights of individual etc. Or under LEO and even under the forum Security, but it does not necessarily have to be pictured.

It also is a bad thing when people say they can "hook you up" with whatever you need in this regard. A philosophical discussion in on an abstract situation is not what we are against. It is always allowed, about what subjects you find interesting. It is the lumping of MJ and MMJ with this form of defence which causes problems. And we can not show this on this site. What you do on your own is indeed your own business, we just don't want it advertised and promoted here. I think that makes a lot of sense.

purplehaze4u · #20 (**permalink**) 08-02-2009, 08:00 PM

well i am an advocate of the second amendment and also the first along with all the rest of them so while i dont agree with violence i do agree witht he first amendment and while everyone on here is saying everything they want to say about who what when and where and we should legalize this and out law that it is all your right to do that living in the us but not sure how this goes outside of the us with that being said you wish to take away my first amendment right which i do not agree with and while everyone i have met on here so far has been pretty cool.. i go to the sections i wish to on here to talk about what i want or need or can help someone else with.. i am a soldier and have been deployed many times over seas to different areas.. and i have learned from other people that when everyone starts taking away things... like you want to take away part of my freedom of speech it always leads to other things... i understand you cant please all of the people all of the time it just makes me wonder what else are you going to want to make me give up next my identity? just makes me wonder.. so you are going to make smoke to live give up here little id pic cause girl friend is toting some sort of pistol? and camster also cause mr buzz light year has lazers on his suit... but then mr moon biscuit can have a panda where someone cut his arms off and replaced them with chainsaws well that is really cruelty to animals and disgusting are going to make him change that? this is something i am going to have to consider...

and i have never talked about violence on here relating to guns or other wise but then you must consider all of the violence like the talk that goes on about politics on here lol

enjoy....