What's with all the clone only strains showing up in seed form?

I noticed a member here was doing a grow journal of "bubba kush" from GHSC. I guess they are within their rights to call whatever they want "Bubba Kush", but that strain is simply not availble in seed form. It is a clone only, if you cross is with itself you don't have bubba anymore. You have Bubba S1, but since it isn't a stablized strain it isn't real bubba. Even if you stablized it though years of back crossing, it just wouldn't be bubba, the traits would not be identicle to the original plant in a stablized form.


They offer "cheese" too, which was never even cloned. Makes me think all their strains are just named out of thin air. They should just refer to them as Indica #1-99 and Sativa #1-99

HI,

I misplaced to tell you that GHS is a good home
I already spoke to them here rarely positive...
but it is possible transform a female in male with GA3 ...
we must utilisation the GA3 It is not easy at all but feasible no problem.
Even Serious Seeds resorted to GA3 ... But he know the use ! lol
Many clone, simply clone, arrives in seeds with GA3 !
The problem is that GA3 bad master is degeneration ...
reliability is not always present GA3 is difficult to use but it is an effective "product-sorcerer" in the culture!
For info Bubba the GHS is not REAL Top...
A friend here has done it has its output = the result is small.... pathétic.
I worked Bubba Kush Seeds but of Elit-Genetics !
10 times better that GHS... no comment !
the problem is the women breeder who was ELITE has assumed (unfortunately) 40 years in prison this summer !!!
re-no comment !
I recommended GHS has nobody....
Many breeders used of GA3 to make female seeds.
The result is a lot of problems = non homogeneity... GA3 can be a great product like a big S H I T...
It depends on her user !!!

- The female seeds are the Buzz since of years. the Farmers are less demanding that before .... Everyone wants to females not having to wait, not having had sexing these plants.
The breeders are following suit, good as the movement....
- The clones known are the BUZZ, everyone wants Bubba Kush & C °.
The breeders are following suit
Everyone makes his little Bubba his little TW & C °!
And quality ???
Many people laugh at it. . .
Everyone is happy ! Farmers lazy or younger cultivator & the rotten breeders see their account bank : explode !
GHS is very strong for this game... !

For smoking Burmese Kush THSeeds my choice would be quick between the pseudo Bubba of GHS and BUKU TH Seeds
even this: taste bud | regular seeds | seedism
is good Best...

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This is a touchy subject for some...

If people want to break it down to that extent of technicality, then good luck with that.

Here in California, strains have become whatever you want them to be. With so many years of cross breeding and unreliable growers, actual legit strains are a thing of the past. There is no real documentation on genetics that most of these breeders can provide, therefore, when someone walks into a dispensary with a tray full of "bubba kush" clones and says "this is bubba kush", then thats what label goes on the jars and that is what growers believe they are running. When someone crosses that clone with a "purple" strain, it becomes "purple master kush", then through word of mouth and simple cases of misinterpretation it may become "purple kush" or just "purps" leading the next grower to believe "purple kush" is a fairly stable strain so lets try crossing it with an OG strain, then becoming an OG kush (yea right). All this can happen in just one season so imagine what the past 10 years has done to our claim to legitimacy. Not saying this is the case for everyone, but thanks to prohibition and having to stay under the radar, proof of heritage is not something you come by too often these days.

These are the rules the clubs and patients choose to go by, leading to this uncertainty of lineage. I can tell you how many of the "same" strains I have gotten from different clubs here, with the medicine being completely different in each jar. I have gotten 4 different so-called "sour diesels" this past month, that were completely different in every pheno you could possibly imagine.

I myself am saddened by this but now, to me, strain names are in no way verification of any sort IMO. To me, the names are just a fun way off being able to distinguish one strain from another when multiple strains are involved in medicating. Example- "Babe you wanna grab me that Sour Lemon on the shelf next to you?"

I would NEVER rate or give info on any buds based on the name only. I would most definitely need to see and possibly smoke some. In other words, if a friend of mine was thinking of getting some "sapphire star" from the club and asked me how it was, I would tell them I have absolutely no clue, even if I just smoked some "sapphire" yesterday and the day before as well as 4 times last week. Still, I could not go and tell everyone to find "sapphire" if they can because of how good it is. Because in those cases, the likelihood of calling something whatever name you choose drastically increases, due to high demand. If someone is sitting on a LB of cat piss, but everyone wants sapphire, the name can change very easily, and the dispensarys have been going right along with it. If you ask about the drastic differences in buds with the same name, but from different shops, they will tell you it's the same, just grown different. Im sure they have no problem pulling that card with a casual pot smoker, but us growers would laugh at that, and I have in some cases.

Legit names are gone man, it's all based on supply and demand. Im sure there are growers that have been running the same OG strain for 30 years being certain of the heritage, but good luck finding some of that genuine OG on the market.

Good subject, kudos

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I have legit OG and Bubba in my garden actually. Their lineage can both be traced back to the mid-late 90s. The real strains are out there, you just have to know who you are dealing with, and how to identify certain strains helps a lot too. OG and Bubba can be identified in veg if you know what to look for. I guess I was lucky being around So Cal when these strains were "new" and there were not a million ripoffs being passed around. I could spot real bubba a mile away. Really anyone that has smoked a chemdog cross should at least be able to tell if there is chem in what they are growing. Its just so distinctive.

I think its really lame people are willing to straight up lie just to make a buck.

welcome to Capitolism.

just sucks to hear that...as a new connoisseur it kind of adds a damper to any purchase out there that has no records which seems to be many i presume?

Would it be accurate however to assume places like Attitude, Nirvana, marijuana-seeds.nl, etc are legit in their claims of strains?

how can one ever know for sure?

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http://www.greenpassion.org/f15/buying-vs-trying-13054/

"Such holidays in the sun don't come without sacrifices"

There are a lot of seed companies out there dealing in legitimate strains. I guess you just have to do your homework. Would be nice if someone make a listing of all the legit dealers. But with companies turning over so fast, I'm sure it would be out of date as soon as it was released.

I believe green house seeds does not fall into that category of legit.

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I chose greenhouse seeds by looking at cannabis cup winners. The strains must have some quality in them right?

as far as cheese they (greenhouse) admit in their you tube vid that they were asked by cheese's breeder to mass produce fem seeds for sale. sounds like they might have better facilities for contriolled breeding.

as far as attitude they are a dealer..not a breeder. a reliable dealer imho.

the breeders-world is not perfect. like world where we live...
Out of 100 = 90 breeders are bad, copies, duplication, benefits of work others Breeders !
- 1 name means NOTHING !!! You can cross two of KUSH and appoint Genetic: Afghan-Skunk !!!
Most importantly = the dollars in this world.
the rest is secondary...
Suggest that breeders are scholars of the ganja or honest would be a mistake ... we must not forget as Breeders have win CUP' with a genetic re-baptized, re-appoint differently, of 1 other Breeder ! NICE ;)
Nice mentality....
each gives the name that he wants has genetics that he wants.
Nobody will disturb it !
There is no quality control in the world of breeders
it is possible to find very good genes NIRVANA as it is possible to find shit with big names a $ 250 ten seeds !
Nobody wants to push GHS.
GHS is ridiculous enough without help from anyone ...
But ask WHY ? COMMENT ? & OR ? comes from a gene May be identical
was whether the hen came before the egg on earth ...

but the basic question of POST was not the current policy of breeders...
but how come the clones to seed on the cannabis market . . .
Answer = the GA3 ! Take a clone and produce seeds clone is possible !
I think it was the first question ? ;)

after if GHS is 1 God for the farmers or if GHS is a "s h i t" for other farmers = this is the last of my problems.
free to give their dollars or he wants !
GHS has not answer his questions Like many other breeders This is not us here who respond to them...

The farmer who loves GHS, arguments to defend GHS !
The farmer knows that GHS is an acorn infix GHS !
This is a story of personal feeling of not wanting be wrong.
This is not a technical question...

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Last year was my first time ordering any seeds on line, I have always used local strains. I ordered purple kush to only have it told to me by a few that the only way to get pure purple kush is by clones.. I wasnt to happy. I will order again but I will do my research first. But I think for most of what I grow, I will stay with the local, I know it has been handed down for generations and from who...

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+1

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wish my area had such options as to get clones and shop locally....grrrr

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First Grow: Bag Seed
http://www.greenpassion.org/showthread.php?t=13054

"Such holidays in the sun don't come without sacrifices"

hey guys, I'm the one who started a journal about a bubba kush grow from ghs. I must admit all this talk about clone only strains and GA3 is way over my head. I ordered my seeds from one of those pic and mix sites where you can order single seeds. I ordered their Big Bang Strain because of it's medicinal properties. When I saw the bubba kush seeds I figured, why not try it.
So, is my bubba kush gonna be like messed up genetics or something? Will it taste like a bubblegum/kush cross?
live and learn i guess.

Show me a Cheese, grown from seed,lol, that has double serrated leafs.

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Bubba Kush is a cross of an almost pure indica chemdog (male) with a chemdog x old worl paki (afghani Hindu kush). You should be able to just type bubba kush into google and under images there are quite a few legit pics to help you identify. It grows golfballs at each node that get very frosty and have an afghani diesel flavor to them.

As far as GHS being selected by the "breederof cheese", there is no breeder of cheese. It was a skunk1 pheno that was never cloned, they are just lying about that.

Regarding their cannabis cup wins, everyone I know treats the cannabis cup as a giant commercial. GHS wins there every year, no matter what they enter. They win sativa categories with indicas even sometimes. Most believe they are buying their victories. I don't see how else you can win a sativa category with 'chemdog' especially when chemdog can't be made from seed, and is mostly indica.

this is for all of us , who cant walk into a dispenary, to get seeds or clones for that matter, i live in florida harsh mj laws around, attitude seed bank is the bomb, i promise on time delivery, very stealthy will send breeder pack good gen. jus how can you go wrong with barnerys farm, the cannabis cup is their

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I agree 100 % Some of us don't have any access to anything other than worded descriptions on the net with ALL descriptions claiming to be the best ever.. it is confusing..

So,, good thread

peace


Good comments Daz,
but all I have for resources is internet. At that point it's a try and try again process. Try to figure out the truth thru all the lies . all designed to garner the american $.
You are correct.

Thank you.

I say what I know. not that I invented.
I spent enough time. a DAM. to know a lot of stories. who are not on the Internet ...

if a person loves GHS this is good for GHS ... but do know the difference In between commercial breeder and a passionate breeder (qualified) is important. Winning a Cup is not equated with knowledge...but the Dollars ... but very involved with the GHS CUP ! Many have genetic breeder more fantastic than GHS.
Why not he wins CUP ??? Why win a CUP one must have a coffee shop in HOLLAND .... This is a microcosm of cannabis As for the antiquity-commercial Buisnezz.
Speaking before the GHS with Shanti or MArk = YES ! Absolutely !
Speaking after the GHS = NO!
Making these two comedy kings of Cannabis would be an affront for true breeders. This is the reason for my posts ...
For many skilled breeder GHS are ridiculous !!!
GHS and prices are small This saves them !!!
After cannabis is cannabis ... this is not the salad Each plant to be effective ! But a breeder who steals another genetic, Give another name, UPC win. Uses the work of others. ETC, ETC.
For me: that the breeder is 1 shit ...
there are many real honest Breeders. why give glory has commercial cannabis ???
Go a DAM ! Spend TIME ! Meet breeders ! Documenting you !
AFTER we can discuss the GHS .......

what I know here I know that criticizing anyone, I respect everyone, do not play with people and do not think more intelligent than another.
but if I criticize something you can be sure my reason is good, my argument has a real foundation !
and by CORRECTION, I not go into the details !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After that growers give their dollars has GHS does not concern me !
This is the last of my soucy...
But do not give importance to those who have not, just by respect for those who deserve...

I am not here to give lessons. The New here, think: WOW, he 15O or 200 posts and he thinks he is GOD !
NO, that is NOT know me ...
If one day I has 250 000 posts my speech will be IDENTICAL ! The number of posts has nothing to do in this story.....
Go to trip DAM, We meet you and I will meet Breeders real, you'll have real news !

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I've been to amsterdamn a few times, hung out in liedzeplien (sp?) and the hemp hotel and everything. The herb there is good for sure, but I can't say it's any better than what you'll see in most of the shops in California. And if you know the right people what you can find all over the westcoast.

It's a damn shame openly selling seeds in the US is a no no, because the genetics are great, we have some awesome breeders ourselves.

And you can get their seeds but it has to re route through foreing seed co's.

I remember your quote of Sannie, I do love his strains

The story of how Sannie Jack came to be

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