Genetics

BloodShotI'z

If you've ordered seeds or are considering an order...Im sure the question..."Are these good genetics?" runs/ran across your mind at some point.

When talking to some growers...You hear things like..."These guys are crap"....or "This bank has really good genes".

My question or concern is...Are we getting a little too caught up in what we do? Could it all just be snobbery? We all have our own favorite brands/makers of everything from potato chips to alcohol to cars. Everyone likes their particular brand for their own reasons.

But does this mean that those that arent your favorites are crap? The human brain is a magnificent thing. We can see what we want to see...or expect to see. For instance, if I paid $100 on a strain....and another place sells them for $40...Simply because I paid more Im more inclined to think mine is better. Even after the grow is done....Im more apt to think mine looks/smokes/grew better than the "knockoff".

Are we fooling ourselves? Are we buying into the hype? I really think we are at times. I have to ask...Is that strain worth $xxx or is it that price because they know people out there will buy it? The only way to really know is to sample and compare. But even thats a shot in the dark.

Yeah Im stoned at 5:30am....but I guess I wanted to pose the question...and hear the thoughts.

Hey people....This is just me rambling but....

DONT DRINK THE KOOL-AIDE!!

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dursky

Hey,, good post. I am hoping between us all we can come up with the best strains and sites. I will give a report on bcseedkings ww and purps in a week or so.
A new site I am liking more all the time as they were fast and very professional is mariujuana-seeds.nl Planted 14 seeds and they all germinated and are looking perfect. ww and mazar.

So I am hoping people give reports on good and bad ect.

btdt

There is certainly hype out there...but there are also "breeders" who know that the illegality of this hobby will have few folks asking questions or making demands..so the quality of their wares doesn't HAVE TO BE top notch. It's like having a good employee or a "warm body" filling the space. Both can do the job...one just does it like clockwork without asking and the other must be worked with and babied to try to find the goodness inside/..IF he shows up at all.

HIGH TIMES also plays a part here. It doesn't have to be all that good to make it to HT...but if it does..it INSTANTLY becomes in favor and the kiddies perceive that there's something more there than there really is. It's like the Cannabis Cup...it isn't about who has the BEST POT...it's about who SPENDS THE MOST TO PROMOTE THEIR POT and who spends the most ADVERTISING in HT. Whomever "wins" has favor and can charge hundreds for a pack of seed that was only worth 3-40 the day before. It's a set up. Ask folks who bought Reefermans "Love Potion" and later found out that it was something else that couldn't win a Cup in a million years. Total set up for the reader...and eventually..the grower who BELIEVES what he bought is top-notch and not merely a rip off of someone else's work.

Certain names are associated with good breeding/good seeds..and certain names are not. Dutch passion is a very large seedbank but you rarely hear excellent reports about their seeds. Yet other breeders are much smaller..but if you hear of them the talk is always favorable. In the end it's a pick/choose affair and a lot of luck...

good luck folks

bt dt

BloodShotI'z

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BloodShotI'z

Contributed by: Crazydevs

Why does one strain cost less from one seed breeder than it does from another?

Let’s start off by saying that in terms of seed prices, you normally pay for the strain genetics, but this is not always the case, some seed makers (breeders) will always try to charge more on a strain, simply because they seek a larger profit margin than some of their competitors. Also, some breeders have to pay premiums to the original, big name strain breeders, to be able to use the original copyrighted genetics strain name(s).

It’s also worth noting that just because you have grade A genetics, it does not always mean your going to get top grade plants. Growing conditions and experience can play a much bigger role in a plants end result than the strain genetics.

So why do some seed makers charge so little in comparison to others? Is something wrong with their genetics?

No, there is nothing wrong with the genetics. These seeds come from F2 stock, and are sometimes just fast knockoffs of the original strain(s).

What is F2 stock?

Ok, I’m not going to go into great depth here on just what an F2 stock of seeds is. Basically, you start of with homozygous strains. These are considered true breeding strains, and will show little variation in phenotype. When you start mixing true breeding strains you end up with heterozygous strains. The phenotypes in these will vary a little more than the homozygous parents. A heterozygous strain is considered to be a hybrid. An F1, F2, F3 etc are all hybrids!

F1 hybrid - is the first generation of a cross between any two unrelated seed lines in the creation of a hybrid. F1 hybrids can be uniform or variable depending on the parent stock used.

F2 hybrid - is the offspring of a cross between two F1 plants.

You can also get F1, F2 crosses etc, but I wont go into that.

Basically, all you need to know is that a seed bank will have a description of a strain and its characteristics. For F1 seed stock, most of the plants will remain true to that description, with little variance. F2 stock will vary more, your get maybe 3-4 plants out of 10 seeds that will be true to the seed bank description, the rest will be a little different.

So what’s this phenotype about?

A phenotype is a particular trait or characteristic of a plant. It could be high yield or berry like aroma, but a seed bank will often give you a description of a strain, normally listing the best phenotype. F2 stock phenotypes will vary more than F1 stock. And it gets worse as you progress to F3, F4 etc.

So basically, when you order an F2 stock of seed, be prepared for lots of different looking plants. However no potency or yield is lost between F1 and F2 plants.

When ordering F2 stock, the idea is to search out the better phenotypes, and clone them so in future you only work with the best genetics of the bunch. With F1 stock, you should have more uniform plants that all perform similar, and if the breeders done his job correctly, this should be as close to the original description that tempted you to buy the seeds in the first place as you can get!

So that’s why some breeders charge less for their seeds than others. Remember breeders prices will vary anyway, it’s always worth shopping around for a strain price.

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AzGrOw-N-sMoKe

this is the excact reason why i grow bagseed oxicon experience an tecnique is the real key...

BloodShotI'z

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AzGrOw-N-sMoKe

personally i think the best plants out there are in someones personal crop or in their closet ..we are the new producers of great weed..it just takes time an patience..

BloodShotI'z

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AzGrOw-N-sMoKe

well i have heard a couple reports that say its because of humen intervetion that we even have high quality pot because naturally fast flowring dominate males an hermies are what seed the fems so its more like hemp than what we grow...