... i hope you are aware the cheese 'strain' is just a phenotype of SKUNK#1 ...
i know many seed banks sell it as a strain ... but i got one once from buying regular skunk#1 from sensi...

this pheno grows very strong, just like its 'parent' strain. and hopefully the cured bud will smell like melted cheese/butter...

sorry if i hijacked your post. if i am ina anyway being a bit ***** PM me and ill deleat it. i dant want to in any way ruin your thread. but i feel its my duty to inform people.. this sort of thing tends to freak me out. you shouldnt be able to get any males by the way or hermies. as the original cheese was a clone only 'strain'.

not trying to sound like an idiot but are you saying that the cheese strain or phenotype produces females only or mostly females?

it was a phenotype off skunk #1 and from there it was cloned? did it produce seeds from the method of letting a female grow a couple weeks past harvest, at wich point produces a "banana" full of prodominantly female pollen?

i haver no idea how they (so many seedbanks) got seeds from it, though it stands to reason that to continue the 'strain' in its true form from seed it must be fem only, as it can only be mated with itself, so that lends some credit to 4MAGGIO's plant being real. so in theory what you suggest (soma method) is viable.

there is a myth that those that possess the clones pass over two clones to the next lucky recipient, and so on and so forth and in that way if your lucky one day (if you live in GB) two clones may pass your way...

but it is a clone only 'strain' from the 80's. aparently someone grew some skunk1 and one of them became known as the cheese due to the smell, he cloned it and it passed around till it became famous. its probably (almost certainly) a recessive trait that wont come out in the offspring in tha same way as original cheese, but even then any offspring wont be original cheese because original cheese is that one particular clone. theres a reason clone strains are clone strains and not seed strains.....it s that there usually no dad to match em with

im sure a google will turn it up. what worries me is when seedbanks like GHS for example try to cash in on the hype.

i'm not in any way putting down 4maggios plant. but when it comes to strains i have a very rectal attitude to the word. i'd rather it be refered to as the cheese pheno rather than strain because in fact its nothing other than skunk#1. no work was put into creating the cheese. it occured naturally like all other phenos. this is one reason i think most seedbanks are ripoffs.

i mean the cannabis world is already swamped with all sorts of strains that for me arent really strains.. anyway.. i do go mental on this subject sometimes... probably best if we dont hijack 4maggios thread and continue this discussion in a new thread?

I dont know how you can get the original Cheese without the original clone. Seems impossible to me but DrGreenthumb allways claims his strains are the original for some reason. Anyway! I have been very impressed with The Greenhouse Cheese. Its not the original but its killer smoke and the price is right. Stays pretty compact indoors with hard smelly buds but grows massive stinky colas outdoors. Mold is a issue in humid climates. Its a high quality CheeseXKush strain and everyone that smokes it wants more.

like deven suggested in his post the only way to get original cheese seeds is by reverse sexing a clone to be a father. thereby turning the clone into a seed. other than that its a cross with another strain.

but i'm already being too picky on the subject. i'm letting it go before someone hangs me for being an A hole, 4maggio, my sincerest apologies

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im also sorry for switching the subject. this would be a good thread to start tho. maybe call it
"the cheese phenotype" ?

4maggio- just wondering what your experience with cheese has been like. you said you've harvested some "big buddah cheese" right a couple of times. just assuming they were all females?

how were the plants in your opinion. would you recommend them. what type of environment, nutrients, watering cycles do they grow best in? I've really been looking at "big buddah blue cheese".

Ileso- would the blue cheese fall under this category of the cheese phenotype? would the blue cheese most likely be females if this is the case?

been looking at "theattitude" and they pretty much say the same thing as you. On nearly all the cheese strains, somewhere it says (skunk #1) pheno. so because of this interesting discussion, and the point you brought up about coming from clone and all, I'm gonna try some big buddah blue cheese.

High deven.. everyone..

The I grew out the BBC 4 times.. from regular BBC seeds b4 he stopped sellin regular seeds (I can't find them any more, only fem.)

I, according to responce from BBC site, had the g13 pheno (I thought it was supposed to be a cross from afi & cheese?.) it doesn't matter.. the last go produced 22z dry (3rd =16z).. not counting tirim and pc bud! and it was probably an 8.5 on potency scale.. It went fast! See pic below.

The above is what inspired me (taking a chance!) to try the DRGT "OCF".
I've never tried GHSC.. one day maybe... right now AK47/Herijuana/OCF.

I understand the UKCheese is a Skunk#1 pheno..
I don't understand the reluctance (<they don't want to..LOL!!) to distribute clones, more readily.. I can not understand why the cut is so hard to come by..

I thought the original idea was that eveyone could have this herb? Cuts GIVEN away.. I'm guessing the greedy/commercial growers are the ones that have it and not giving it up.. I hear about someone paying $20,000 for a cut.. BS? I don't know.. Like I said in another thread.. I might try CLONES DIRECT for some of their UKCheese Clone & BubbaKush.. ya never know.

So I try the new 'Strains' of cheese that have their own pheno types.. It is all marketing..

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thanks a lot 4maggio. nice pics! and from those pics your yeild looks pretty good. what type of nutrients did they like? heavy fert, or light fert. really im saying was it easy for you or did it act stubborn some times?

High devon.. all..

They were my first grows.. 1 and 2 got AN spread of stuff.. w 400w hps.. ph was a PITA..

Grow 3 went from AN regiment under 400w hps in veg to, Lucas Formula (0-8-16/gal GH flora) with AN SensiCal Bloom, in RO under 600w.. and I implemented CO2 dispensing half way thru 2nd grow..

They took pms of 1400(.5) in bloom but I felt like they did best around 1100. I veged them (last grow) a month, too long for my headroom, lights were 6-8 inches from tops and I had no more UP^!..(the strectch was 2.5-3 times.. my guess.. SCROGing) They didn't mind..

11 weeks bloom! If the OCF is as good, I'll be a happy camper..

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so far as i know cheese was a clone that was freely given away, you'd recieve two clones and youd have to pass on to someone else, like good karma. it could all be myth but who knows.

I'm sure alot of you guys agree with me that seedbanks trying to cash in on the name of legendary cutting simmers down to just greed. im pretty much up to my ears with that sort of goings on.

i mean with the amount of seedbanks going around why the hell dont they do some real work. i mean look at subcool TGA as an example. the guy/seedbank has all original strains. hard work went into it. yet the number of seedbanks with the same strains is astronomical, all trying to sell seeds by riding on the hype bus. god only knows if the seeds they say have anything at all to do with the names... theres no work going into that. and in my mind who knows what genetics there are.

its like, if you want WW your best bet is (i hate myself for saying it..) GHS or if you really want to be sure of what your getting the shantibabas seedbank. if you want skunk or NL then go to sensi... at least there you are guaranteed of getting your moneys worth.

if more seedbanks actually put some effort into breeding rather than seed making ...
what happened to honesty amongst stoners? .. ok maybe thats just it, these seedsmakers arent stoners, they are leaches, business people looking for a quick buck.
in otherwords no different from drug dealers.
im refering to seedmakers, not breeders who put in alot of love, time, work and effort into each strain. guys that are dedicated to giving the grower the best of their pallet, blending flavours, blending styles.. mixing and refining their plants to perfection. THESE guys really arent given the credit they deserve. maybe some dont produce more than a strain or two in their lifetime. but they give us something new.
like the guy that actually bred the skunk strain whoever he is, god bless him. hes probably not even seen any royalties from the strain he put his heart into... hes probably still out there producing awesome weed as we type.. lots of the current wonderstrains have the humblest origins. but the seedvendors do them no justice.

anyway, im in the wrong mind set today to discuss anything... im getting annoyed too easily.

ileso- very well put. that really opens your eyes to the real world. its really a shame that a lot of the original breeders who brought and shared these strains with us arent recognized and go unacknowledged. it almost seems as if you have to own a coffee shop and enter your strains into some cannabis cup to get credit for your work. even worse is having all your hard work you put into a strain get stolen by some guys with a lil bit of money and a name behind them.

thats just my opinion on the matter... maybe alot of them also would like to not be known for safety reasons... oh well. lets keep hoping for a better fairer world

High all..

I wish there was an easy answer to the 'seed nameing convention' delema.. there are no regulations.....

the rich do not follow the rules.. they make them conform to their environment, for their benifit. Marketing.

So whenever a new strain is rolled out, how do we know the breeder is giving us all the facts? What's in a name..

The analogy I come up with is:

Harley Davidson (been around a hundred years (what do I know!?)).. The world is now full of HD look alikes..("lookalikes<<?LOL!!) what can you do.. the world wanted HDs but they're expensive and not available everywhere! so they go with the lookalike.. it's more obtainable >>they ar new to motorcycling and it is shiney, it goes down the road nicely.. stops.. even sounds something like a harley: all the good stuff but it isn't a HD.. It isn't UKCheese or BubbaKush either.

Mabe it's like the racial thing.. can't see discrimination unless you're there.
We're all discriminated against some way or nother.. Some focus on it some do not.. I focusus my ire on the JAs' of the world.. white or black or yellow or red... "There's an a$$ for every seat" (<WC Fields)

Lemon Stinky.. sorry for the rambling....

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the big difference though? the look alikes dont label their cheaper rides HARLEY DAVIDSON!

really interesting


i've got the original uk cheese clone since almost 2 years now ,the real one directly came from england .

i shared it since the beginning and now a lot of friends are growing this clone in many diffents syles of growing

this is 11 week clone with the strongest smell ever .


the only thing i'm sure is that it's not interesting to buy seeds from cheese because it's a supposed recessive plant from skunk #1 ,so only the original clone really worth a try imo.

i have pics


in europe this clone/strain is everywhere ....the hype as you said,i agree

really boring to smoke cheese all day long ,as bubba kush, sssdh ,amnesia

High ileso.. everyone..

Well, you got me there! but then we're back to there is no regulation..
and around and around we go..

But if it were legal... there would be regulation, we do not like regulation, right!? Or just some types of regulation? "I" don't know if I want reulation or not.

ileso.. I'm starting to feel your pain.. people get screwed all the time, even in the 'legal world', where there is recourse.

I'm not a breeder, although I might 'dust a bud' (sounds like a good title for a song!LOL!!) one day. If I came up with a 'one in a million' (like exodus) plant.. how would I proceed?

Call it something that will get attention!

They have Trainwreck & BubbaKush have seeds available now, too..
There doesn't seem to be as much 'talk' about those seeds.
I guess because the UKC was the first to be immitated (sp?)?! (copied).. LOL!! If I could get Exodus cheese clones, yes I would buy them but I can not.

Personally "I do not care".. I just want good genetics, that are availble to me.

I can't do much about government bailouts either. So I'm not going to try, just cry!

9am ish, gotta stop LemonStinky doseing!

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