This is Industrial Plant... in about August.

You see the brown edges to the leaves, WTF is that?

It took me a while, okay there were a few leaf miners, not them, no other pests obvious. This is open to the air 24/7.. the netting keeps the cheeky birds out, who I swear would steal bread off your plate.



I am going to post this while I get my other images sorted... in the mean time, any suggetions on the brown fringes on all the leaves top to bottom... be assured.. they had the right amount of water, they had no more nor less than the right nutrients, light etc... they went brown after I sprayed them with plain water... any guesses?

(I have got to bottom of it, and it is a cautionary tale.)

More soon.....

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Your buds look great,, not sure what is going on with the leaves, but here is a link with some pictures that might help,, and I am sure there will be someone else come along who can help... How long into flowering are you,,, Good you started your journal, can't wait to see more when you continue

Plant Abuse Chart and Photos by Nietzsche

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I'm confused

Looks like a beauty of a plant love to see more. It sounds like you have the problem looked after and would love to learn what it was.

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I resolved what the problem was... here are some more pics

Industrial (from seed)




White widow - August, taken from a cutting. Along with the Industrial started in May



more white widow... longer shot.. notice the low hight (cutting) and high yield... bulked out by another 20% before harvest.



Here is Roadrunner, from seed about 7 weeks old. All natural light, planted 22 June... sprouted in three days.



Notice the uncharictaristic brown flowers... yikkes! This is the canary for my problem... notice the fine sugary dust... not pure THC I am sad to report

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And what was the problem if I may ask? LOL!

Lovely plants. Nicely grown.

Welcome to GreenPassion!

Peace

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Thanks Jangle

Clearly this is a retrospective Journal... okay so an incremental harvest.. first the RoadRunner, its a month ahead of the rest, but I reaped one Industrial as well, to get in well early for variety of therapeutic effect... in flight checks i.e. a bud and quick dry, showed a lot of promise for both. Like w00t. But did leave a strange stingy taste in my mouth

I mentioned the sugary dust on the roadrunner plant in previous post. I had noticed this on one of the industrial a while before... and I sprayed it down with clean water, the brown fringes were the result... like they were burned. It has been very hot here so heat stress was my first thought. Deffo not nuteburn.

After the final proper natural dry, the Roadrunner was tested in ernest.




Half of that was used... my lips were burning, my tongue was burning, as if I had been chomping on the pith of many oranges. It is hard to describe. I live way off ground level, but this dust could be the only explanation. I had tried to pretend it was not there, but now it had made itself impossible to ignore.

The burning continued through the next day, brushing teeth, gargling etc made no difference, it was like I had taken a boiling hot kettle, and supped from the spout to drink. By this time the root of the problem was beginning to dawn upon me. I looked at my tongue in the mirror and it was bleached white... you could see the path the dust had taken when passing over it.

The dust... what could it seriously be? Why would it have this very nasty effect, WTF?

Down the road, up wind, there is a construction site, it is far enough away to be out of sight, out of mind. How ever they have been laying tonnes and tonnes of concrete, in and around a river. They dust must come from them, concrete = LIME.. A quick trawl of the net, they have been using unknown amounts of it to help set the construction... and the prevailing wind has kindly come and deposited it on my plants, (and for that matter in my house), I discovered that the sore eyes I have had all summer is not from playing hours of Call Of Duty, but chemical induced conjunctivitis.

This s##t is a hazardous chemical.. it can actually kill you. If exhibit A were not a big bud, I would onto the council like a feret up a drain pipe.

I tried out a the Industrial plant after a few days, when I had recovered. This time using a filter. I still got burned, but not quite so bad. Won't be doing that again in a hurry...

So nice bud... great yeah, yet is covered in the extreme alkaline powder which may have been absorbed into the resin... damn, damn, damn.. so much for trying to be organic and natural.. which as you can see other than that, worked very well.

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Wow that is sad and sick too! I hear you on saying something making a big fuss with the higher ups kinda hard with your proof anyway?

This is why your intro said you were in the middle of a water cure. How long have you been at it and do you think it will work? And is the rinse water (changing everyday?) is a horrible colour odors?

If that doesn't work what a shame. But your health is more important than all your hard work and care. I hope the water cure works. Personally I like my water cured bud. It's discreet.

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i think a water cure should solve your problems as it will wash and take away the dust.. i had thought it was some sort of mildew till i read your post... still. nothing you can do about the exposure to the dust? you said you got sore eyes all summer. surely you could complain

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Hello again, nearly up to date with my journal.

Yep not my year at all. I'll join the unlucky department Happily I gave away my most vigorous Industrial Plant to a fellow sufferer and good friend (who lost all their babies) before there was any serious contamination.. and she has done very well. So I am sure they will give me an opportunity to compare ... a useful control test, even if I am a little envious. Also organic and natural light.

As you say, health is wealth, be assured it is not going near my mouth again until it has been washed, and even then with great caution. Here is the skinny on Hydrated Lime, which I am pretty certain is the contaminant http://www.bpsaust.com/msds_pdf/Hydrated%20Lime.pdf Really worth bearing in mind if you are close to any building work or demolition site, or doing it yourself at home, it is a nightmare (regardless of a grow).

So, I had read about watercure in one of my old books (it is not a new idea)... searched the net, and here we are. The best information available is to be found right here on GP

I read that thread several times... truth is the herb could not be worse, so nothing to loose. I wouldn't even wish it my worst enemy (hmm... well thinking about it LoL) . Thing is it is my medi, it is not for distribution anyway.

The early harvest Industrial Plant, one of two remaining was the first for the treatment. RoadRunner can wait. White Widows and one Industrial were at the time still enjoying the autumn sun shine (and lime shower).

Getting ready... a fish transport tank, a 'bowl' to weigh it down, (you'll no doubt notice that I like to keep a bit of leaf, it works for me, each to their own). This is the fruits of one industrial plant, the least vigorous and most contaminated. It has already been semi dried.



...and an aquarium pump to drain very gently. (all sterilized with bleach solution and rinsed very thoroughly) Here is the end of the first day...



Kept in a cool dark place... no smell, a little brown colouration of the water. When drained a classic weedy smell. Been doing it now for 8 days. I'll get a shot of it later...

This is my initial draining method, with aquarium pump. The water was quite frothy, like there is a trace of soap in it. I am hoping that is the lime. From what I have read it reaches saturation point, when disolved in water, at a very low concentration, so I change it more often than once every 24hrs



I started out being very careful, but having found that on day 5 the small leaves were still quite green, the flowers have gone deep orangey brown, and not much cr#p was being removed, I got a bit more aggressive, now it sits in the sink for a couple of hours each day with cold water running very gently through it. I really want to get this stuff off. It seems the coating of dust is really stuck in place, loosing a few trychs will be a small price to play.



Fingers crossed, I am awaiting delivery of a food dehydrator, as soon as it arrives I will find out if the watercure has worked within 7 hours. If it does, then it is going to be a few weeks before the rest is cleaned. I was aiming at full personal self sufficiency this year, *sob*.

P.S. Hopefully you are right ileso... this will certainly put the water cure to the test

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i got my fingers crossed.. it would be real bad to lose a crop to that crap

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w00t... food dehydrator has just arrived!!



Looks like the moment of truth is but hours away. First I will get some new batteries for my camera.

Should I just dry a bit, or do the whole plant... hmmm? It has had about nine days.

I'll keep you posted

LoL

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The stockli dorrex I am delighted, although adevrtised as 40 to 70 degrees C. It goes from 0 to 70. Excellent, I can run it at 27c (or if you prefer 80f).

Here is a quick look at 10 a day old water cure. Industrial plant. Please forgive me if I indulge myself.

First in the water, no noticable colouring, smells of nothing at all. Notice an invisible scum, highlighted by bubbles, it has been like this every day. Also notice that there is a heck of a lot of green left. The brown part of the leaves were brown when I first soaked them . Maybe the lime has sealed it in. Anyone report if this is what yours looks like, as normal.



Here it is floating, just for interest even after ten days, still a floater!



Drained



Time to get the excess wtaer off before testing the dehydrator. A clean dry towel did the trick, no patting down etc required.



Into the trays



And into the dryer as mentioned 27c.. I stuck it on for 2.5 hours.

Now to go get the white widows ready for the plunge! They have only been hanging for a few days, so still moderately fresh. The roadrunner is already dry, so it can wait.

Be back later with the results. Any comments very welcome.

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My water cure looked pretty much the same as yours. I let mine run 7 days but from harvest so no need to re hydrate. I sure hope it works I would've expected maybe more odor but I guess the Lime has no smell in that form?

You should know right away. It smokes very differently then reg bud. But mine was almost as green coming out as it was going in. Now it is not green it is real dark.
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I found a cooler a great thing to use. I didn't do so much when I water cured it, so I used a drinks cooler. you know, for lemonade or whatever. About a gallon sized one. I liked that it had a spigot I could not disturb anything and could just drain it without having to move or loosen trichs.

Now we want a smoke report!

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Can't tell you how much better you have made me feel, thank very much for those pics. I relaxed a bit, it's now dry, took 5 hours on 27c (80f).






Still has a tang, but it could just be my imagination. I have become a bit obsessed, after the mouth burning incident. It is certainly clean enough to ask for a second opinion without feeling like I am asking too much of a friend.

I think a few more days would not have been a bad idea, in this case (although I am not convinced any more crud would have been shifted), for peace of mind if nothing else.

the W.Widow gets the treatment next. This time I think I might leave the pump in the tank so it circulates the water, hopefully teasing the dust out, I don't think in this case osmosis will do it on it's own, it might in geological time, but not in human years LoL *sob*

For interest: The last four days of the 'cure' were more vigorous than I think most people would feel comfortable with inflicting on their soaking plant.. I can report that I found only two tiny little bits of flower detached. What was also amazing was that when I did handle it in the water at the end, my fingers actually got sticky from the resin, which was a nice surprise.

Water cooler sounds great, I had to scrape every penny to get the dryer, not another cent can be spent on this project. I go with what I got. The aquarium pump has pretty much the same effect as a drain plug on the bottom. As said, I don't think the softly softly approach is going to cut the mustard on this one. Also, thus far they seem to be pretty robust, or maybe the frikkin lime has glued them together... LoL

Cripes, Industrial sure hits the spot, I better quit now while the going is good. I am going to investigate the inhouse picture facility, fotobucket deleting stuff is the last thing I need.

PS... still feel like I have been eating chilli

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I just sent you a pm about that.

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Eureka!


I think I have it... and this will be well interesting. I am going to soak the herb in vinegar... Like a water cure, but, yes with vinegar.

The vinegar will nutralise the lime, and it will not disolve the oil. The vinegar degrades into inert CO2 etc. along with the lime. Then continue with the water cure for the usual seven days, or as long as it takes. The vinegar should get flushed swiftly and entirley, it binds with the water... who knows this could even be the next step in liquid curing!!!

Maybe I have gone bonkers, stop me someone before it is toooo late

(I have to say it hardly seems worth it LoL... but I have started so I will finish, but I can see the law of diminishing returns kicking in pretty hard... At least the dehydrator has other planned uses... can't get sun dried tomotoes round my way, and I am a bit partial to them.)

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I don't know about using vinegar.

Vinegar is an acidic liquid processed from the fermentation of ethanol in a process that yields its key ingredient, acetic acid. Vinegar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This might dissolve the THC or further contaminate your weed. Maybe a water diluted amount 5% concentrate per volume of water to start. Just a thought. I don't know this for certain but I don't think I would go full strength. Good luck. Try a bud not all of it for sure.

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I'm doing 2 strains at the moment, both indoors in a tent and both being fed the same. 1 strain looks great but the other looks identical to your first picture in this thread. No idea what my problem is but it couldn't be lime.