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muzzie69er · #1 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 07:01 PM

Hello. I'm posting my grow in hopes of getting some feedback from other growers and to help others out. The members here in GP have been wonderful in helping me through this process and I'm hoping to pay it forward if possible.
Background: I'm growing 3 SSH feminized seeds that I got from Dr Chronic. I'm growing in a box that I built that is 2'x3'x5'. I rigged a passive intake system with a computer fan up top and I have an oscillating fan blowing on my girls 24/7. I'm currently in week 2 of vegging and I'm on a 18/6 cycle. I rigged two bathroom vanities for my light and added a 'Y' splitter in each socket for a total of 16 23w cfl's (daylight spectrum). If I get that far I'll flower with as many watts of cfl soft whites as possible (next year I'm going hps). I've used Fox Farm-Ocean Forest for my soil and things have been going well as of now.

I do, however, think I've hit a bump in the road. My ladies (Buena, Berny, and Jan (the middle child)) are not where they should be for being a whopping two weeks old. I live in a very dry climate and I'm wondering if it being too dry is taking it's toll on the girls. And although it is cool here (80's max) I think they have been getting too hot. I just replanted from the cups in the pictures to larger pots and they sort of fell apart on me.
Two questions: Are they too small for two weeks and is my re-potting going to hurt them?
I'll provide updates to this journal when something interesting happens.
Cheers. The Muzz.

urbanfunk · #2 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 07:11 PM

hey there fella.. like the strain u growing dude

good luck.. be watching!

deep[H2O]culture · #3 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 07:20 PM

nice job man, i like the box and lighting idea.

you say they are not where they should be compared to what?

it could be just a different pheno, maby the climate, im not sure but i wouldnt sweat it right now. Ive had a few late girls that take their time in the early stages but turn out very nice.

If you can, grab some superthrive or some vitamin B1, they should take off. Only use it for that purpose though, to revive, or jump start something

muzzie69er · #4 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 07:41 PM

Thanks for taking a look. I think it's just 'newb' anxiety. I avoided up to now but I'm starting to obsess. I'll chill. I was just surfing around a bit and saw pictures of other growers monsters at two weeks. Thanks for the input. muzz

Hatch · #5 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 10:47 PM

Nice Looking Set-Up, Best Of Luck, Wishes, & Karma On Your Grow...

tokecrazy · #6 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 10:49 PM

Hey Muzzie69er, Looking at the pixs have you given them any nutr?The FF soil is good to start them out,but as they get older they will need more food.Look at some of the sticky here and you will find a good soil mix to feed your girls all the way to harvest.The one's you see that are monsters are most likely clones that were 4 to 6 inches before veging.You are doing it from seed.They look good you just need to feed them alittle.I would get some schultz 10-15-10 plant food and give it to them till you figure out what soil you are going to grow them out in.I like the cab you got.Keep us posted and keep up the good work. Peace

justanotherbozo · #7 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by muzzie69er

Hello. I'm posting my grow in hopes of getting some feedback from other growers and to help others out. The members here in GP have been wonderful in helping me through this process and I'm hoping to pay it forward if possible.
Background: I'm growing 3 SSH feminized seeds that I got from Dr Chronic. I'm growing in a box that I built that is 2'x3'x5'. I rigged a passive intake system with a computer fan up top and I have an oscillating fan blowing on my girls 24/7. I'm currently in week 2 of vegging and I'm on a 18/6 cycle. I rigged two bathroom vanities for my light and added a 'Y' splitter in each socket for a total of 16 23w cfl's (daylight spectrum). If I get that far I'll flower with as many watts of cfl soft whites as possible (next year I'm going hps). I've used Fox Farm-Ocean Forest for my soil and things have been going well as of now.

I do, however, think I've hit a bump in the road. My ladies (Buena, Berny, and Jan (the middle child)) are not where they should be for being a whopping two weeks old. I live in a very dry climate and I'm wondering if it being too dry is taking it's toll on the girls. And although it is cool here (80's max) I think they have been getting too hot. I just replanted from the cups in the pictures to larger pots and they sort of fell apart on me.
Two questions: Are they too small for two weeks and is my re-potting going to hurt them?
I'll provide updates to this journal when something interesting happens.
Cheers. The Muzz.

hey bro, good to see another CFL'er.

anyway, i think the reason your plants are so short is because you don't have any red light in there.

keep in mind that mj needs both red and blue throughout it's life cycle, just
more blue during veg and more red during flower.

what you should maybe do is to remove 4 of those daylight bulbs and replace
them with soft, or warm bulbs, 3000Kelvin or below.

what that will do is give you a bit more vertical growth by lengthening the internodes.

here's a couple pics of my light bars and a couple of buds grown under them.

muzzie69er · #8 (**permalink**) 06-24-2009, 04:55 AM

Once again the Moderators and members of GP have been a tremendous help. Thanks so much. Thanks J.A.B. that makes total sense about the lighting. I just switched out the bulbs. Thanks for the insight, I don't think I would have thought of thought of that on my own.
Toke, I've read that SSH can be a bit sensitive to nute burn so I was going to hold off for about 30 days before adding anything to it. But if I don't see any results with switching up the lights I'll definitely be getting some of the nutes you suggested and giving the ladies a drink. Sound good. Thanks again for the help, I really appreciate it.

muzzie69er · #9 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 12:37 AM

Well after giving the ladies the ol' "win one for the gipper" talk they have really taken off. I think mixing the lights up a bit and then reducing some of the heat has really helped.
This weeks question: Should I begin to LST the plants now? I just transferred them into 6 inch pots and I plan on eventually moving them into 5 gallon pots. Also, how do I re-pot plants I've LST'd? Thanks!

GreenGoblin · #10 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 01:15 AM

you can still repot even if you have done LST. I would let them get a little bigger, then do some LST with chain, and maybe even top them to make it bushy.. if you are trying to keep 'em short.

muzzie69er · #11 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 01:53 AM

Thanks man. I've been reading about LST but there's not a ton of info about when to start.

justanotherbozo · #12 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by muzzie69er

Well after giving the ladies the ol' "win one for the gipper" talk they have really taken off. I think mixing the lights up a bit and then reducing some of the heat has really helped.
This weeks question: Should I begin to LST the plants now? I just transferred them into 6 inch pots and I plan on eventually moving them into 5 gallon pots. Also, how do I re-pot plants I've LST'd? Thanks!

high man, here is a link that will explain how to LST your plants with weights.

Low Stress Training ~ LST'ing with hardware and wieghts

keep in mind that, whether you weigh the branchs down or you tie them down,
once the branch fix's, it will stay in place so, even if you tie them, when you're
ready to re-pot, just transplant normally as you should remove the ties
after a couple weeks as they won't be needed beyond that.

here are a couple pics of my moms, which are the only plants of mine i LST,
and, as you can see, they are still undergoing bondage training. ...like i said
though, once they are trained, you should remove the ties.

justanotherbozo · #13 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by muzzie69er

Thanks man. I've been reading about LST but there's not a ton of info about when to start.

when the plant is about 5 or 6 nodes and 5 or 6 inchs, you can begin bondage
training your gurls, lol.

also, when you begin, try and be gentle, you want to bend the branch, not break it.

muzzie69er · #14 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 08:44 PM

Sweet advice JAB as always. I've been thinking about this whole LST thing and I thought I may try to do something different.
I was thinking about putting 4 tomato stakes at 12, 3, 6 and 9 (like a clock) around my plant and tying the branch to the stake; winding my way around the pot clockwise. And if I find myself back where I started, I just work my way up the tomato stake; working my way up. How about them apples? Do you think it would work? Cheers, The Muzz.

justanotherbozo · #15 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by muzzie69er

Sweet advice JAB as always. I've been thinking about this whole LST thing and I might try my own thing.
I was thinking about putting 4 tomato stakes at 12, 3, 6 and 9 (like a clock) around my plant and tying the branch to the stake; winding my way around the pot clockwise. And if I find myself back where I started, I just work my way up the tomato stake; working my way up. How about them apples? Do you think it would work? Cheers, The Muzz.

yeah, it'd work but you'd probably yield more with a SCROG, which means
(in case you don't know) SCReen Of Green.

here are some pics of a couple of SCROG's to illustrate exactly what that
looks like.

the last is a multi-strain SCROG and the second to last is an outdoor SCROG.

note that the technique can be applied whether you grow in dirt or hydro,
indoors or out, the intent is to create as even a canopy as possible.

if you're interested, let me know and i'll provide some links.

oh yeah, just call me bozo, i chose the username to remind myself that i'm
just another guy, just as capable of being wrong, lol. ...i have arrogant tendencies, lol.

and there was a time in my life that i took no responsibility for the crap that kept
happening in my life. ...it was always someone else's fault, or just plain bad luck.

it was only after i realized that all that crap was, in fact, all my fault that i gained the
power to see my flaws and do something about them!

so now i try and remain humble, to remain teachable, ...to always remember that i'm
just another bozo on the bus ride of life.

muzzie69er · #16 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 09:05 PM

Amazing pictures man. That looks way advanced for me and I don't think I have the room. I'm most interested in using LST because I'm pretty sure that I'm not going to have enough space. I was thinking that staking the ladies I would maximize my space and allow some extra room for them. We'll see.

justanotherbozo · #17 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by muzzie69er

Amazing pictures man. That looks way advanced for me and I don't think I have the room. I'm most interested in using LST because I'm pretty sure that I'm not going to have enough space. I was thinking that staking the ladies I would maximize my space and allow some extra room for them. We'll see.

lol, i don't mean to overload you with more info than you can handle.

lol, but...

lol, if space is a real problem, you might just try super-cropping.

super-cropping is just a fancy name for bending the main stem while squeezing it
until you feel the stem walls begin to crush and the stem bends at nearly a
90 degree angle.

what that will do is to retard the growth of the central stem that you just crushed
for about a week while stimulating the growth of all the lower, lateral branchs.

what you do is, wait till those lateral branchs catch up and surpass that central
stem, then you super-crop those branchs, which will stimulate further growth
lower down.

what you end up with is a marijuana bush that yields an amazing amount
in a very small space.

muzzie69er · #18 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 06:45 PM

Hey man I just found this guy on Youtube. Is this kind of what you are talking about but instead of doing it to the branches do the main stem? Thanks bro.

justanotherbozo · #19 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 09:30 PM

kinda like that, although that is LST training and not super-cropping, or pinching
as some people call it.

anyway, here are a few vids to illustrate the technique, one from the 'urban
grower' and then part of a series by 'caregiver'.

the last shows the result of all that pinching of branchs', lol.

muzzie69er · #20 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 01:51 AM

Dude! You are the man. Thank you so much. I was going to make this way too hard. Super-cropping is definitely the way to go for me on this grow. Thank god your the moderator for this forum. I'm baking some killer banana bread now. If you need a banana bread recipe I'm your man...lol.
Seriously though. Thanks a ton. Muzz.