MY LITTLE GROW...or What not to do 101A - GreenPassion.org - Dedicated to Medicinal Cannabis Cultivation and Education

jangel · #1 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 12:44 PM

Hi folks. Hopefully you will not be too badly bored or frightened by what I have done to my poor plants. I started the first batch of seeds on or about February 12-14-16. I have never grown from scratch before other than a few plants when I was in my teens. We have grown outside clones which we purchased and were not happy with. The first year was not tooooo bad but nothing like I have seen some harvested plants grow to. No idea what genus they were. Max was maybe ½ oz each. We had a total of 11 plants that year. Had no clue what we where doing. Last year the clones we bought had very few roots. Did really bad here as we had no rain all summer so all water had to be carried in. Many did not get over 10 inches tall and not all flowered. Several just disappeared. Then a person that will remain nameless ripped all of our harvest off from our house. I had had enough so I decided to try and grow from seed our next harvest. First off I finally found how easy it was to buy seeds. Here (Canada) we have Marc Emery and the Vancouver seed bank. If you have never grown or been in touch with the culture of this revolution then how where we to know? I have smoked mj regularly for over 38 years and have either bought it or been given it. Now we had very little money as my man made the life choice to start a second career and go back to college at 50. Sometimes you just have to go for it! Both of us have dealt with depression at many levels through the years and have found that MJ helps beyond our previous knowledge. And then I started researching. It has become our medication of choice. Enough said

Anyway, as with many things I jumped in feet first. Ordered my seeds . They were on the way so I better figure out how to grow them! Kinda back a—wards but hey, it is MY WAY! So off to the hydro shop we went. I bought, without any knowledge and no experience, a 400 watt Sunmaster Metal Halide Neutral grow light. Plus some peat pucks (which I have not used yet) and some organic nutes. I think the hydro guy saw me coming but hey, it is all learning.

Our idea was to make a hither to unused (except for junk) cold room into a grow room.
Here is what we started with.

jangel · #2 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 12:45 PM

We opened up the ceiling to add new plugs to the room and discovered a major snag. And the reason the braker had been tripping all the time when major power was used in that part of the house. Don’t ya love old houses? Some friendly mouse had chewed on wires. We had to go the distance and add to what was there. Our ceiling had to come down to chase down wires. And do the grow part secretly. We told the kid (my teenage daughter) and my mum 85, that the added power was for a compressor and whelder in the garage (yes, there really is one of each!) as well as extra hydro in my man’s hobby room. It was for that also, but mostly for THE GROW! (see pics 3 and 5)

jangel · #3 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 12:46 PM

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jangel · #4 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 12:49 PM

This put a major kink into our plans so it was off to the closet with me. I had an upstairs bedroom unused closet. I bought from Home depot a little wire grow shelf. $30 bucks.
I also purchased some CFL’s and we had scrounged from various sources 2 little computer fans. I migivered many new contraptions with the cfl’s which I will use when we are in the final room and will not bore you with here. But later my friends, later!!!

jangel · #5 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 12:50 PM

If interested I did a small log here: http://www.vancouverseedbank.ca/forums/read.php?3,796

Met some great people but not what I needed. I give great thanks to those that helped me before I found this site. Such patience for this n00b! I have to thank them, one and all. It was great but not the crowd we have here. And not what I needed. I kept searching and hunting and found many great people out there. And a huge knowledge base. I learned. Then I found Green Passion and I came home. Now I will show you HOW I HAVE TORTURED MY POOR PLANTS AND HOW THEY ARE DOING NOW.

I will show you from the start what I have. Please bare with me and some of you might want to cover your eyes. This is pretty brutal. No plants were killed in this but I did try my best. I have dealt with heat stress, ph too high, over feeding, underfeeding, underwatering, (from fear of overwatering) lack of light, too much light, you name it. But I am happy to say now I think I understand. I have a new batch of 20 seedlings up and thriving. The first batch of 15 ARE GROWING!! (they had totally stopped and I was sure they would not make it) My goal is to have a group of mothers for clones and a crop outside when the weather warms, in several spots, of 4 or 5 each. We live in the country so all things are possible. The first lot of pics are of my first 15 plants.

Now I have a nursery upstairs for which I bought a New Wave T-5 with 6500k tubes for seedlings, veg and clones (still in the closet) and a flowering chamber downstairs. We have 2 -15 amp Plugs installed on one side. The space is 4 ft by 7ft tall, and aprox. 7 ft deep for the flower side. The whole room is aprox 20 ft long. This is a long 4 ft wide room which has shelves on the other side. Once the power is all hooked up we will move the nursery downstairs but we have a time shortage until my man finishes his course. (he is on the honour role too!) priorities you know. It is working for now so that is fine

jangel · #6 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 12:55 PM

Ambrosia
God Bud x Burmese
Medium sized plant that will get bushy if there is room
Great for a sea of green
Buds are dense, stinky with a skunky flavour
Awake sativa buzz
Indica/Sativa
Yield: 4-8 oz indoors / 8-12 out
Height: 5-8 ft
Flowering time: 7-8 wks

jangel · #7 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 12:58 PM

Dutch Treat X Northern Light
Indoor/Outdoor
A sticky, fruity strain. A bushy plant which produces large, heavy tops. A rich, sweet smoke with a nice alert buzz.
Outdoor mid September harvest with yields around quarter to a half pound per plant

jangel · #8 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 01:03 PM

Kish (formerly shiskaberry)
Mostly Indica.
From original Spice of Life Seed Co. Kish (Shishkaberry) is a sweet berry tasting Indica that is light green with loads of resin.
"This has been the fastest budding plant I have ever worked with. It also has the most crystal of any plant that I have worked with and the hardest nugget buds. As a small plant it likes to grow with one huge cola. Grown in large pots it still yields well but is best in a high plant per light ratio. This last mother that I used for this particular batch of seed is by far the strongest, tastiest and most resinous I've ever seen!" - CCK.
Height: 5 feet
Flowering time: 42 days
Yield: High
Harvest Outdoor: mid September

jangel · #9 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 01:08 PM

Northern Flame
Indoors/Outdoors
Sativa/Indica
The Northern flame is still very Thai dominant in flavour, very fruity and peppery. Heavy cerebral high, very enjoyable flavor right down to the last puff. It has strong and vigorous growth and is usually the last plant in the room to get a spider mite problem or any other bug problems. Hardy and dependable.
Flowering Time: 8-9 weeks Indoors
Oct.10-20. Outdoors
Yield: Large

jangel · #10 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 01:14 PM

I am also growing and will add to this with

Lethal Purple
Outdoor
This plant goes totally deep purple in the fall - good for camouflage with fall colours. High yield and strong perfume smell with sweet flavour and strong stone.
Mid to late September, 5 - 6 ft.

Y2K
Pure Indica, this shorter plant has dense colas and a unmistakable fragrance. Great for shorter rooms she also does well outdoors and in a sea of green.
Her high will have you wondering what we're going to produce to the next millennium.
Enjoy.

(which I had major problems germinating and thanks to Mrs.freds help I finally got the last 2 beans to pop so we will see what happens.

Nepali Grizzly
Outdoor. Mostly Indica.
Stabilized Nepali Hashplant
Bushy hash plant covered in crystal, very potent.
Excellent for breeding purposes.
Ideal for northern outdoor climates,
Finishes Early!
3-4 oz based on March 21st start
Height: 3-4 ft
August 21st - September 15th

The Nepali Grizzly has grown like no tomorrow and I repotted it yesterday. Lots of white roots, this is going to be tall. It was started on March 30th. Now under the big light. Here are some pics.

jangel · #11 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 01:26 PM

I am using Promix soil from Home depot plus adding bone meal and Dolimite Lime as well as half the recommended dose of FF American Pride to the mix. As well as adding aprox. 40% perlite to the soil.

Feeding with Fox Farm Big Bloom, Musky fish emulsion and super thrive a drop per gallon. I am so wary of over fertilizing now I add at the most 1/4 of the recommended liquid foods. I also add 1tbls. of molasses not every time, but more like every 2 time, or if they look like they are hungry.

I think my biggest problem was I was UNDERWATERING! Yes, underwatering. I was under the impression that they had to really really dry out before watering. Now I follow what I THINK and have read Not to let them totally dry out. I know I know. BUT it is working for me so that is fine.

As you can see the room is not finished yet. I have had a constant temp of 74 with no fan and 69 to 70 with the fan on. Once the weather warms up I think it will get warmer especailly with the other lights and plants added. I will see, and am prepared. I have a vortex vent fan that will do for the whole room I think. We were going to seperate the flower and veg part but now I think I will just put up a light proof wall with panda or such and leave it open to help with temps. There seem to be enough holes in the room to supply fresh air and me going in and out a 100 times a day is working with air exchange so far! LOL!

Please feel free to add comments and advice. I need all the help I can get! But I am thrilled to say THEY ARE ALL GOING TO LIVE!!!!!! THANK YOU GREEN PASSION!!!

Without all the good advice I got HERE they would of most likely died in a desert like atmosphere.

Okay, lets here from others!!!!

Life,
J-angel

jangel · #12 (**permalink**) 04-17-2008, 07:50 AM

Here are all of them together. The first picture is April 6th the day we put the first 15 under the big light. Second is April 10th and the last is April 16th. The difference is amazing. I also repotted them on April 6th.

The HSIC · #13 (**permalink**) 04-17-2008, 12:06 PM

Hey Jangel, looking good! You do have me curious though about your using nutes with that soil mix you have there.

Maybe try only watering your plants for a bit, watching the upper leaves for signals that they are lacking anything. I think you are goiing to find you don't need any nutes at all.......ever.

You can always top feed the plants, by tossing on a bit more bone meal, prior to watering.

I know I did a simular recipe as yours, and I never needed any nutes at all.
Everything your plant needs is in the soil, you have a healthy (marijuana friendly) recipe there.
Peace

jangel · #14 (**permalink**) 04-17-2008, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by videoman

Hey Jangel, looking good! You do have me curious though about your using nutes with that soil mix you have there.

Maybe try only watering your plants for a bit, watching the upper leaves for signals that they are lacking anything. I think you are goiing to find you don't need any nutes at all.......ever.

You can always top feed the plants, by tossing on a bit more bone meal, prior to watering.

I know I did a simular recipe as yours, and I never needed any nutes at all.
Everything your plant needs is in the soil, you have a healthy (marijuana friendly) recipe there.
Peace

Okay, Videoman. I will for sure do that. I do not want them croaking on me now! It is amazing how quickly they are growing now. Looks like at least an inch or two per day. Do you think I should keep adding the molasses?

Oh also, my water is 6.3 and is osmosis water I am bringing in as my water is too high in ph and had a nightmare trying to mess with it. Just like green says "KISS"! keep it simple stupid!

Thanks for taking a look vidman. I value your opinion highly. Also, thanks toke for the PM.

Life,
j-angel

#15 (**permalink**) 04-17-2008, 12:38 PM

Wow jangel you are a serious gardener. Out of all those strains which are your favorite? What is the strain you can't wait to smoke?

jangel · #16 (**permalink**) 04-17-2008, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talisman

Wow jangel you are a serious gardener. Out of all those strains which are your favorite? What is the strain you can't wait to smoke?

Never tried any YET! But looking foreward to Ambrosia and Kish. Kish is shiskaberry so we will see! This is the first grow from seed for me so it is all a learning experiance. Thanks for the props !

Life,
j-angel

green_nobody · #17 (**permalink**) 04-17-2008, 01:02 PM

looks all good jangel

jangel · #18 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 04:24 PM

Long overdo for an update. Here are what I have in the nursery. I will update again in a day as I have just moved them all down to the new room.

jangel · #19 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 04:29 PM

These include more Northern Flame, more Dutch Treat X Northern Lights, some Lethal Purple, and last is Y2K which I will now upload. Now these are the last of 11 seeds I had. The other seeds did not germinate or else did not grow. I kept these 2 back and did them mrs.fred's way (papertowel method) and they are doing alright. BUT look at the leaves: they look deformed. No idea why as all the rest of the babies are fine. I will take more today and let you see how they look now. Look all to need potting up as there are roots coming out of the bottom. More pics to follow in a day or so. (geez louis, 3rd time I edited it! must be a stoner......)

Every time I sit down to do this I get company! and they won't leave! That is okay though.

Hey anyone have an idea about why these look like this PLEASE let me know. The new leaves look okay. Not sure what is up with them or if they will outgrow this.

#20 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 06:25 PM

So jangel, how many plants total do you have in play?